• Woman leads protest march near CIA HQ and Cheney's house.
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Saddam had been in power for a few years before the US finally invaded, so most likely a lot.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19691400] Also, Cheney is a decent person, who should not be molested.[/QUOTE] Cheney is a evil man, what are you on? [editline]02:28AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19691683]She doesn't like that the US military kills terrorists with missiles fired from unmanned drones. She apparently thinks that terrorists should be given a fair chance to kill more the sons of other people.[/QUOTE] The Taliban are not terrorists. [editline]02:29AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19691796]I am, in fact, 20.[/QUOTE] hahahaaha no wait, are you serious?
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19691848]Facepunch. They're all white, middle-class kids with a hardon for killing people.[/QUOTE] :black101: Amen to that.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19693500]All Civilian deaths by drone have been accidental, Civilian deaths by Terrorists were targeted.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Viper202;19693531]@Urkel You're not familiar with guerilla warfare are you. Not every Al-Queda dresses in bullet proof vests and swings a gun in everyones face. Anyone could be an enemy if you know that they disguise themselves. Houses could be targetted if they look suspiciously like enemy outposts or hitpoints. That asside, most of the civilian deaths will be accidental.[/QUOTE] sure it's accidental but that doesn't make it somehow acceptable or okay. what kind of alien world do you live in? [QUOTE=Viper202;19693635]Saddam had been in power for a few years before the US finally invaded, so most likely a lot.[/QUOTE] not really
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19693500]All Civilian deaths by drone have been accidental, Civilian deaths by Terrorists were targeted.[/QUOTE] yup, all of them [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5zzMIRznDk[/media]
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19693717]sure it's accidental but that doesn't make it somehow acceptable or okay. what kind of alien world do you live in? not really[/QUOTE] What kind of alien world do you live in? Which you rather have happen, a civilian killed or yourself killed?
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19693717]sure it's accidental but that doesn't make it somehow acceptable or okay. what kind of alien world do you live in?[/QUOTE] Collateral damage happens. It's unavoidable. No, it isn't pretty, but that's the nature of war. And as much as war is ugly, it's occasionally necessary. The world isn't a magical teletubbie land where your troubles are about as consequential as the babbling of children.
[QUOTE=Viper202;19694411]What kind of alien world do you live in? Which you rather have happen, a civilian killed or yourself killed?[/QUOTE] Urkel is trying to sound like he has the greatest set of morals on the planet. Yet if it came down to that choice, he's totally let the civilian bite the bullet. No one wants to die, but when it comes to the human race, it doesn't matter who you are, survival is instinct, no matter what morals you have.
[QUOTE=Splode a Pinga;19694459]Collateral damage happens. It's unavoidable. No, it isn't pretty, but that's the nature of war. And as much as war is ugly, it's occasionally necessary. The world isn't a magical teletubbie land where your troubles are about as consequential as the babbling of children.[/QUOTE] I'm sick and tired of that excuse. It's not "collateral" damage, it's innocent people who don't have anything to do with our war one way or another, who are being killed because we insist on sending remote-controlled little toys into soverign countries to blow up buildings we think might or might not have had terrorists in them at one point in time. They're not harboring them, they're not taking a side in the fight, they don't have anything to do with it, yet they're dying by our hands. Let me put this in perspective, assuming that you have even the slightest capacity for empathy. Lets say you're sitting around, on your computer, minding your own business when a French drone puts a missile into your next door neighbor's house. Half the block is damaged and everyone in the house, friends that you've known since you lived there, are all dead. Nobody else was there, just the family that lived in the house. Then, some representative of the French military comes on the TV and says "Sorry, bad intel, we were looking for Michigan Militia guys. But, it's a war, collateral damage, shit happens." The Michigan Militia never had anything to do with you or your neighbors, you barely know who they are and that they apparently did something to the French. Your friends are dead and your neighborhood is on fire because a remote-controlled killing machine operated from halfway around the world dropped a bomb in the wrong place while fighting a war that had nothing to do with you, and the only explaination given is "It's a mistake, but that's war." Would no part of you at all have the urge to pick up a gun and kill the first Frenchman you see?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19693777]yup, all of them [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5zzMIRznDk[/media][/QUOTE] Because an Unmanned Predator Drone is the same as an AH-64.
Saves people :/, maybe should have her son sent and killed
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19695049]I'm sick and tired of that excuse. It's not "collateral" damage, it's innocent people who don't have anything to do with our war one way or another, who are being killed because we insist on sending remote-controlled little toys into soverign countries to blow up buildings we think might or might not have had terrorists in them at one point in time. They're not harboring them, they're not taking a side in the fight, they don't have anything to do with it, yet they're dying by our hands. Let me put this in perspective, assuming that you have even the slightest capacity for empathy. Lets say you're sitting around, on your computer, minding your own business when a French drone puts a missile into your next door neighbor's house. Half the block is damaged and everyone in the house, friends that you've known since you lived there, are all dead. Nobody else was there, just the family that lived in the house. Then, some representative of the French military comes on the TV and says "Sorry, bad intel, we were looking for Michigan Militia guys. But, it's a war, collateral damage, shit happens." The Michigan Militia never had anything to do with you or your neighbors, you barely know who they are and that they apparently did something to the French. Your friends are dead and your neighborhood is on fire because a remote-controlled killing machine operated from halfway around the world dropped a bomb in the wrong place while fighting a war that had nothing to do with you, and the only explaination given is "It's a mistake, but that's war." Would no part of you at all have the urge to pick up a gun and kill the first Frenchman you see?[/QUOTE] Hellfire missiles have a small blast radius, it is impossible for one to destroy a neighbourhood. Also the CIA isn't retarded and wouldn't go around blowing up civilian targets.
[QUOTE=Incognito;19695176]Hellfire missiles have a small blast radius, it is impossible for one to destroy a neighbourhood.[/QUOTE] [img]http://photos.imageevent.com/cas6969/misc/missed_the_point.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692652]i said it was unlikely that they'd kill the same civilians that we're killing. also you're arguing that use of drones somehow prevents attacks on US soil which is frankly laughable. yes, using 9/11 to scare people into agreeing with you [I]is[/I] exploitation (and it's not even relevant to the topic). there is a huge difference between drones and tanks because the driver sits in safety in the case of drones, tanks don't fire missiles from up in the air, and tanks don't rely on flimsy "intelligence" to find their targets [editline]07:30PM[/editline] oh look, it seems alan ninja left the thread. hmm, wonder why[/QUOTE] Oh yes, but I came back. I do happen to have life, so I get off Facepunch for a while every now and then. (gasps in shock) Apparently you don't. Anyways on to your post. You seem to imply that the civilians we accidentally kill are somehow more valuable than the civilians that terrorists "accidentally" kill. I fail to see how he was using 9/11 as a scare tactic. And no, the difference between a tank and a drone is that tanks put the driver commander on the spot when presented with civilians. In such high-pressure situations, a tank commander is more likely to make a bad decision, whereas a drone operator must request permission to engage ground targets. Tanks do have one advantage, in that targets tend to present themselves by wildly firing small arms. Tanks also provide less protection for the driver, because it's very hard for an insurgent to harm someone five thousand miles away. EDIT- Also your grammar is detestable.
[QUOTE=Splode a Pinga;19694459]Collateral damage happens. It's unavoidable. No, it isn't pretty, but that's the nature of war. And as much as war is ugly, it's occasionally necessary. The world isn't a magical teletubbie land where your troubles are about as consequential as the babbling of children.[/QUOTE] haha, if you honestly think all 100% of the fucking massive casualty figures is all by accident, you really should actually shoot yourself in the groin wait, so the 90% casualty count, as opposed to war's before... is all collateral damage wow, you're thick.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19693777]yup, all of them [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5zzMIRznDk[/media][/QUOTE] 1st. AC130, not a drone 2nd. Mistaken Identity, they were not specifically targeted with clear information that they were actually farmers. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19695405]haha, if you honestly think all 100% of the fucking massive casualty figures is all by accident, you really should actually shoot yourself in the groin wait, so the 90% casualty count, as opposed to war's before... is all collateral damage wow, you're thick.[/QUOTE] You seem to have a mistaken definition of casualty and collateral damage.
[QUOTE=Incognito;19695072]Because an Unmanned Predator Drone is the same as an AH-64.[/QUOTE] gj you missed the point humans still operate those things [editline]04:23AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19695427]1st. AC130, not a drone 2nd. Mistaken Identity, they were not specifically targeted with clear information that they were actually farmers.[/QUOTE] so drones can't possibly kill innocents? oh ok so that's perfectly cool to kill them then? [editline]04:25AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19695350]Oh yes, but I came back. I do happen to have life, so I get off Facepunch for a while every now and then. (gasps in shock) Apparently you don't. Anyways on to your post. You seem to imply that the civilians we accidentally kill are somehow more valuable than the civilians that terrorists "accidentally" kill. I fail to see how he was using 9/11 as a scare tactic. And no, the difference between a tank and a drone is that tanks put the driver commander on the spot when presented with civilians. In such high-pressure situations, a tank commander is more likely to make a bad decision, whereas a drone operator must request permission to engage ground targets. Tanks do have one advantage, in that targets tend to present themselves by wildly firing small arms. Tanks also provide less protection for the driver, because it's very hard for an insurgent to harm someone five thousand miles away. EDIT- Also your grammar is detestable.[/QUOTE] So Alan, how many years in combat have you served?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19695439] so drones can't possibly kill innocents? oh ok so that's perfectly cool to kill them then?[/QUOTE] You need to understand the definition of accident before you can argue anything here. Accidental death does not mean it was a targeted assault on a target, It can be mistaken identity, mechanical error, human error. This also means that anything can cause Accidental death or injury. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19695439] so that's perfectly cool to kill them then?[/QUOTE] You seem to have this werid notion that any accident is actually intended and planned.
Perhaps they should send her at the entrenched enemy, instead of using the drones to take them out. Then she might see why they use them.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19695439]gj you missed the point humans still operate those things [editline]04:23AM[/editline] so drones can't possibly kill innocents? oh ok so that's perfectly cool to kill them then? [editline]04:25AM[/editline][/QUOTE] Look, I'll make this simple for you, as complex arguments seem to confuse you. People make mistakes. Everyone. Sometimes, mistakes can cost lives. But their unavoidable, whether you're on the ground in the thick of battle, or in building in the continental US. The thing is, this way, we protect American soldiers. I think even you can appreciate that. [QUOTE]So Alan, how many years in combat have you served?[/QUOTE] How many have you?
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19695498]You need to understand the definition of accident before you can argue anything here. Accidental death does not mean it was a targeted assault on a target, It can be mistaken identity, mechanical error, human error. This also means that anything can cause Accidental death or injury. You seem to have this werid notion that any accident is actually intended and planned.[/QUOTE] so 100% of the massive casualties are all accidental? even then, the US military needs to get its shit together
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19695544]Look, I'll make this simple for you, as complex arguments seem to confuse you. People make mistakes. Everyone. Sometimes, mistakes can cost lives. But their unavoidable, whether you're on the ground in the thick of battle, or in building in the continental US. The thing is, this way, we protect American soldiers. I think even you can appreciate that. How many have you?[/QUOTE] He doesn't like American soldiers. He's stated so several times.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19695559]so 100% of the massive casualties are all accidental? even then, the US military needs to get its shit together[/QUOTE] You seem to have this preconcieved notion that you have more combat experience and tactical experience than any military member.
Oh for fuck's sake, none of you people are soldiers, stop trying to talk like it just because you played MW2 and learned to say "oscar mike".
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19695544]Look, I'll make this simple for you, as complex arguments seem to confuse you. People make mistakes. Everyone. Sometimes, mistakes can cost lives. But their unavoidable, whether you're on the ground in the thick of battle, or in building in the continental US. The thing is, this way, we protect American soldiers. I think even you can appreciate that. How many have you?[/QUOTE] dohohoho im alan ninga im sooo witty oh my cock is hard from the wit Well when the mistakes are constant and abundent, then maybe, just maybe, someone, somewhere, is doing something wrong. Listen, Mr. Patton, I know blowing up little brown people makes you hard, but have some human empathy. You're in a fuck up of a war with an insanely high civilian casualty count. Shouldn't you stop pussy footing and viciously defending and just say "FUCK IT, this shit sucks" don't answer a question with a question, it makes you look like an idiot. [QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19695625]You seem to have this preconcieved notion that you have more combat experience and tactical experience than any military member.[/QUOTE] where do you get that? logic would tell me fucking up a lot is something you shouldn't do [QUOTE=Linkage;19695513]Perhaps they should send her at the entrenched enemy, instead of using the drones to take them out. Then she might see why they use them.[/QUOTE] haha, don't act like you know what's going on over there [editline]04:39AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19695668]Oh for fuck's sake, none of you people are soldiers, stop trying to talk like it just because you played MW2 and learned to say "oscar mike".[/QUOTE] I still don't know what fucking oscar mike means
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19695669]dohohoho im alan ninga im sooo witty oh my cock is hard from the wit Well when the mistakes are constant and abundent, then maybe, just maybe, someone, somewhere, is doing something wrong. [/QUOTE] Do you think it is feasible for a government run and regulated military to have 0 mistakes or malfunctions? [QUOTE=Trotsky;19695669] Listen, Mr. Patton, I know blowing up little brown people makes you hard, but have some human empathy. You're in a fuck up of a war with an insanely high civilian casualty count. Shouldn't you stop pussy footing and viciously defending and just say "FUCK IT, this shit sucks" don't answer a question with a question, it makes you look like an idiot.[/QUOTE] I am not defending the war I am defending the machine. It is a marvel of engineering and could be the next step in aviation. Banning the drone is dooming the advancment of it. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19695669] where do you get that? logic would tell me fucking up a lot is something you shouldn't do[/QUOTE] Tell yourself not to fuck up when you are being shot at knowing that if you misfire you may cause an international incident. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19695669] haha, don't act like you know what's going on over there[/QUOTE] Take your own advice.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19695669] I still don't know what fucking oscar mike means[/QUOTE] Oscar Mike, "On the Move". I don't know why they don't just say "on the move", I guess IW didn't think it was cool enough. And sort of on topic, the civilian casualties in this war are unacceptably high. For all our high-precision munitions we can't seem to stop leveling people's homes and schools.
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19691778]woman protests the war and use of unmanned drones, which have killed hundreds of civilians, after her son dies in said war is called a stupid whiny bitch by teenage conservatives who know nothing about war outside of videogames on facepunch[/QUOTE] holy shit, someone who understands why a woman is protesting?? this is outrageous! [editline]03:49AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19691796]I am, in fact, 20.[/QUOTE] intellectually you're nine years old though, so it evens out.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19695788]Do you think it is feasible for a government run and regulated military to have 0 mistakes or malfunctions?[/quote] I never said that, address my point, I won't repeat it. [quote]I am not defending the war I am defending the machine. It is a marvel of engineering and could be the next step in aviation. Banning the drone is dooming the advancment of it.[/quote] you glorify a device that kills people? [quote]Tell yourself not to fuck up when you are being shot at knowing that if you misfire you may cause an international incident.[/quote] MY question is why the fuck would I, or any one else be in the situation. [quote]Take your own advice.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about statistics here, not actual actions and anecdotes. alan ninja is
that should have been your only post in the thread btw urkel damn you messed this up
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