• Woman leads protest march near CIA HQ and Cheney's house.
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[QUOTE=Chippay;19695856]holy shit, someone who understands why a woman is protesting?? this is outrageous! [editline]03:49AM[/editline] intellectually you're nine years old though, so it evens out.[/QUOTE] Chippay is here! Every thread is more fun with Chippay! :buddy:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19695924]Chippay is here! Every thread is more fun with Chippay! :buddy:[/QUOTE] ps thanks for changing your avatar
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19695887]I never said that, address my point, I won't repeat it. [/QUOTE] You made the assumption that you know what an acceptable and unacceptable percentage of mistakes would be. Besides that your "point" was simply name calling and generalizing. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19695887]you glorify a device that kills people? [/QUOTE] The Computer started as a way to calculate the tragectory of artillery shells. War is the most effective accelerant for technological advancment. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19695887] MY question is why the fuck would I, or any one else be in the situation.[/QUOTE] That is the situation of any member of the military. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19695887] I'm talking about statistics here, not actual actions and anecdotes. alan ninja is[/QUOTE] Once you state that they should stop fucking up you suggest that you have an understanding of the tasks they must do.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19695990]You made the assumption that you know what an acceptable and unacceptable percentage of mistakes would be. Besides that your "point" was simply name calling and generalizing.[/quote] you never answered my question [quote]The Computer started as a way to calculate the tragectory of artillery shells. War is the most effective accelerant for technological advancment.[/quote] Only because we allow it to. we really don't need it. [quote]That is the situation of any member of the military.[/quote] controlling drones? [quote]Once you state that they should stop fucking up you suggest that you have an understanding of the tasks they must do.[/QUOTE] So you're implying making mistakes is what they're supposed to do? [editline]05:26AM[/editline] and stop rating yourself agree
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19696448]you never answered my question [/QUOTE] You had no question, you just called him a racist and spouted some BS and generalized every American on it. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19696448]Only because we allow it to. we really don't need it.[/QUOTE] What. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19696448]controlling drones?[/QUOTE] Controlling drones, Driving an APC, Flying a helicopter, fighting on the front lines, you are constantly under pressure that if you fuck up it will be on the headlines. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19696448]So you're implying making mistakes is what they're supposed to do?[/QUOTE] I am implying they work to the best of their abilities. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19696448]and stop rating yourself agree[/QUOTE] Stop rating yourself dumb.
uhhhh when did I call someone a racist? what the fuck is your point anyway? that America is innocent and the little brown people are all evil?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19696552] when did I call someone a racist?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Trotsky;19696552] I know blowing up little brown people makes you hard, but have some human empathy. that America is innocent and the little brown people are all evil?[/QUOTE] Way to be a hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19695990] The Computer started as a way to calculate the tragectory of artillery shells. War is the most effective accelerant for technological advancment. [/QUOTE] wrong. computers existed before in the form of complex calculators (not for aiding cannons either) also war produces advanced technology because the entire country is geared towards it. you do not necessarily need war to do this, either.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19696581]Way to be a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] you said I called him a racist. I still don't know where I said that [editline]05:35AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Conscript;19696584] also war produces advanced technology because the entire country is geared towards it. you do not necessarily need war to do this, either.[/QUOTE] I already tried to say that he went all "what? D:"
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19695350]Oh yes, but I came back. I do happen to have life, so I get off Facepunch for a while every now and then. (gasps in shock) Apparently you don't. Anyways on to your post. You seem to imply that the civilians we accidentally kill are somehow more valuable than the civilians that terrorists "accidentally" kill. I fail to see how he was using 9/11 as a scare tactic. And no, the difference between a tank and a drone is that tanks put the driver commander on the spot when presented with civilians. In such high-pressure situations, a tank commander is more likely to make a bad decision, whereas a drone operator must request permission to engage ground targets. Tanks do have one advantage, in that targets tend to present themselves by wildly firing small arms. Tanks also provide less protection for the driver, because it's very hard for an insurgent to harm someone five thousand miles away. EDIT- Also your grammar is detestable.[/QUOTE] LOL YOU DON'T HAVE A LIFE!!! yeah i'm fuckin clever as hell :smugdog: how about responding to the post i directed at you personally, you know, the one where i proved that predator drones kill more civilians than militants? before you were saying that drones don't kill civilians period, and now you're saying the opposite? i'm trying to provoke you into actually reading and responding to that effortpost (something conservatives rarely do), so uh [QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19695049]I'm sick and tired of that excuse. It's not "collateral" damage, it's innocent people who don't have anything to do with our war one way or another, who are being killed because we insist on sending remote-controlled little toys into soverign countries to blow up buildings we think might or might not have had terrorists in them at one point in time. They're not harboring them, they're not taking a side in the fight, they don't have anything to do with it, yet they're dying by our hands. Let me put this in perspective, assuming that you have even the slightest capacity for empathy. Lets say you're sitting around, on your computer, minding your own business when a French drone puts a missile into your next door neighbor's house. Half the block is damaged and everyone in the house, friends that you've known since you lived there, are all dead. Nobody else was there, just the family that lived in the house. Then, some representative of the French military comes on the TV and says "Sorry, bad intel, we were looking for Michigan Militia guys. But, it's a war, collateral damage, shit happens." The Michigan Militia never had anything to do with you or your neighbors, you barely know who they are and that they apparently did something to the French. Your friends are dead and your neighborhood is on fire because a remote-controlled killing machine operated from halfway around the world dropped a bomb in the wrong place while fighting a war that had nothing to do with you, and the only explaination given is "It's a mistake, but that's war." Would no part of you at all have the urge to pick up a gun and kill the first Frenchman you see?[/QUOTE] basically this, you literally have no soul if you can see the US military kill civilians and go "welp, collateral damage, who cares" from the comfort of your computer chair with literally no sympathy whatsoever. but i guess some people, including people in this thread, do this because they have no concept of real-life death, violence, or war. so they sit at their chairs and call anti-war protestors whiny bitches and hippy faggots because they lost family members, or cheer when one terrorist is killed along with 30 civilians from a drone missile strike. it's a deep-set problem in this country, really. [QUOTE=Chippay;19695912]that should have been your only post in the thread btw urkel damn you messed this up[/QUOTE] im sorry :frown:
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19697281]LOL YOU DON'T HAVE A LIFE!!! yeah i'm fuckin clever as hell :smugdog: how about responding to the post i directed at you personally, you know, the one where i proved that predator drones kill more civilians than militants? before you were saying that drones don't kill civilians period, and now you're saying the opposite? i'm trying to provoke you into actually reading and responding to that effortpost (something conservatives rarely do), so uh basically this, you literally have no soul if you can see the US military kill civilians and go "welp, collateral damage, who cares" from the comfort of your computer chair with literally no sympathy whatsoever. but i guess some people, including people in this thread, do this because they have no concept of real-life death, violence, or war. so they sit at their chairs and call anti-war protestors whiny bitches and hippy faggots because they lost family members, or cheer when one terrorist is killed along with 30 civilians from a drone missile strike. it's a deep-set problem in this country, really. im sorry :frown:[/QUOTE] shut up commie
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19697281] basically this, you literally have no soul if you can see the US military kill civilians and go "welp, collateral damage, who cares" from the comfort of your computer chair with literally no sympathy whatsoever. but i guess some people, including people in this thread, do this because they have no concept of real-life death, violence, or war. so they sit at their chairs and call anti-war protestors whiny bitches and hippy faggots because they lost family members, or cheer when one terrorist is killed along with 30 civilians from a drone missile strike. it's a deep-set problem in this country, really. [/QUOTE] What else do you expect when we're half a world away from all the wars that we fight? With the exception of "Well I knew this guy who knew this guy whose family had someone die", people in the US aren't affected by our wars. We still have no clue what it's like to hear bombs dropping from inside our own living rooms and to watch foreign troops march down our streets. I am not at all saying I want these things to happen to us, just saying that most US citizens including myself have no real connection to the wars we finance.
I think the use of drones is rather shameless. If you're going to dismember somebody with high caliber weapons, at least have the godamn common courtesy to put yourself in harms way while doing so. "Derp, I want to kill people, but I don't want to endanger myself while doing so :munch:" Brings whole new meaning to the term "armchair commando." Though protesting about, in front of Cheney's house of all places is indeed retarded. Cheney's house aside, if The military is already using drones, then they obviously don't see whats wrong in doing it. [editline]11:56AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;19691360]Would she prefer we go after them with broadswords?[/QUOTE] I think standard issue firearms are good enough...
When it comes to people bitching about the use of drones or any other method I always like to think of the saying "In war there is only the victor and the loser, how this is achieved is irrelevant". Sure things like nuclear weapons and chemical weapons may be an extreme, but if the point to which these must be used in order to achieve victory one must remember that the victor will be the one who writes the history book.
If she thinks their cowardly and immortal, why don't we send her to basic training, and put her to do one of the tasks that drone does. That'll shut that bitch up.
Goddamn OP, you should have said it was Sheehan. Fucking cuntbranch needs to be shot in the ass.
[QUOTE=gerbils_alt_2;19701928]If she thinks their cowardly and immortal, why don't we send her to basic training, and put her to do one of the tasks that drone does. That'll shut that bitch up.[/QUOTE] The defeats the purpose of her protest
[QUOTE=BRIAN BLESSED;19710364]Goddamn OP, you should have said it was Sheehan. Fucking cuntbranch needs to be shot in the ass.[/QUOTE] That's why you read the article :downs:
Wait, wait, wait... She protested because her son got killed in Iraq, yet she's against drones that because they're "cowardly" for not having soldier put in danger?
[QUOTE=Urkel01;19692107]this could possibly be a legitimate argument if drones didn't hit the wrong targets and kill civilians over half the time and couldn't be easily hacked by taliban forces in any case and didn't cost millions of dollars each and were actually useful at any point in the war's history, rather than just being an expensive toy etc.[/QUOTE] How are they killing civilians when they can't even target anything besides a tank? [editline]08:16PM[/editline] OH god Urkel stop trying. This is the 5th thread in which you have made a complete fool of yourself. You honestly know nothing about weaponry.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;19717568]How are they killing civilians when they can't even target anything besides a tank? [editline]08:16PM[/editline] OH god Urkel stop trying. This is the 5th thread in which you have made a complete fool of yourself. You honestly know nothing about weaponry.[/QUOTE] and you're armchair general 3 star?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;19717568]How are they killing civilians when they can't even target anything besides a tank? [/QUOTE] Bwahahaha, what?
Why doesn't she protest the use of land mines and IEDs used by terrorists?
[QUOTE=Blisster;19718131]Why doesn't she protest the use of land mines and IEDs used by terrorists?[/QUOTE] what terrorist uses landmines?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19718353]what terrorist uses landmines?[/QUOTE] Terrorists don't, but Taliban insurgents love to use homemade mines. In fact an ISAF infantryman was killed by one just two days ago.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19718353]what terrorist uses landmines?[/QUOTE] So TV tells me...
[QUOTE=Blisster;19718719]So TV tells me...[/QUOTE] TV also tells you the Iraqi insurgents are all evil and hate America for its freedom [editline]06:36AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tac Error;19718708]Terrorists don't, but Taliban insurgents love to use homemade mines. In fact an ISAF infantryman was killed by one just two days ago.[/QUOTE] I know that, I'm talking about terrorists
Wait, so the people who hate war because it cases death and suffering... are protesting a robot that spares the lives of soldiers? What a bunch of fucking idiotic hypocrites!
This thread annoys me, it shows how many "armchair generals" are on facepunch who think America is the greatest fucker around
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19718800]This thread annoys me, it shows how many "armchair generals" are on facepunch who think America is the greatest fucker around[/QUOTE] Well it is. :smug:
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