• Marco Rubio calls for overhaul of higher education in U.S, calls current system a 'cartel'.
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[QUOTE=.Isak.;48143211]hahaha my college is around $20k a semester, $40k a year, $160k for a degree that's just tuition, not room and board or meal plans or books or anything[/QUOTE] what the fuck
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;48144061]Financial aid? It's merit-based academic scholarships. How would someone "flag your account"? All you have to do is keep your GPA up, it isn't hard.[/QUOTE] Take a highly technical course like separations processes or advanced thermodynamics for chemical engineers. What always bugged the crap out of me is I could very well have a 3.0-3.5gpa if I wasn't in engineering but the scholarship system doesn't take into account how fucking difficult these classes are compared to a business major who goes to class twice a week. [editline]8th July 2015[/editline] One interesting thing I've learned though is a lot of pristegious schools do accept and give big packages to students from the middle of nowhere because it helps their "diversity" to take in students from lowly public schools that may or may not be located inside a corn or soy field [editline]8th July 2015[/editline] Also on-campus housing is a massive rippoff and the processes behind them are ment to shaft you, I'm paying 1/4th of what my college estimates room and board to be and I'm in my own tiny 1 room apartment off campus and I don't have to live in one of my schools houses
[QUOTE=Swilly;48145342]Fucking, some European nations will give American students free tuition such as Germany.[/QUOTE] Yeah. My plan is to hopefully learn German over my bachelors degree/maybe masters and then possibly consider a move to study Chemistry because that's my ideal career field. I just wouldn't feel right immigrating to a country and not speaking some of their language at the least. Especially because I plan to stay. Plus that keeps my loans in deferment so I can get a good paying part time job and continue studying while paying off my loans under no pressure. I'm super lucky that I had the test scores to get into overseas schools though. Some of them (most from my experience looking) require some pretty high ACT or SAT scores.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;48143158]I don't know how expensive you're talking here but $11KNZD got my course in MCSA/Cisco and A+ with CompTIA in NZ. If it's any higher then that then christ I guess I got a deal.[/QUOTE] Do you not have a CompTIA testing centers in NZ? I can literally go to a local place, take a test and be A+ certified for about $200. Can do Cisco and other CompTIA courses too, theyre all under a grand
-SNIP it's HIGHER education its 3 AM and i should never be allowed to make SH posts at 3 AM-
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48146960]"You're here to leeeeeearn" No, im here because it's the fucking law. I have gained almost exclusively negative experiences from the public school environment that stunted my mental growth and made me despise the act of learning at all. It's so fucking clear that nobody at school actually wanted to be there. It's this disgusting formality that we're all forced into so we can decide what we want to do with our lives before we're even allowed to vote. The thought of having to go to school another day often drove me to the edge of suicide.[/QUOTE] Um... This thread is about higher education, as in colleges and universities, not the public school system or otherwise the compulsory schooling system in general.
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48146960]"You're here to leeeeeearn" No, im here because it's the fucking law. I have gained almost exclusively negative experiences from the public school environment that stunted my mental growth and made me despise the act of learning at all. It's so fucking clear that nobody at school actually wanted to be there. It's this disgusting formality that we're all forced into so we can decide what we want to do with our lives before we're even allowed to vote. The thought of having to go to school another day often drove me to the edge of suicide.[/QUOTE] congrats and i've got some lifelong mentors who were former teachers of mine and had some great fun in public schools so your anecdotes don't mean much [editline]7th July 2015[/editline] but that's not even what this thread is about
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48146960]"You're here to leeeeeearn" No, im here because it's the fucking law. I have gained almost exclusively negative experiences from the public school environment that stunted my mental growth and made me despise the act of learning at all. It's so fucking clear that nobody at school actually wanted to be there. It's this disgusting formality that we're all forced into so we can decide what we want to do with our lives before we're even allowed to vote. The thought of having to go to school another day often drove me to the edge of suicide.[/QUOTE] Just came here to give you the special snowflake award. You're so smart. Yeah you're right school is a BIG waste of time Jeez why should we have education and literacy standards things were so much better when we sat around eating rocks
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48146960]"You're here to leeeeeearn" No, im here because it's the fucking law. I have gained almost exclusively negative experiences from the public school environment that stunted my mental growth and made me despise the act of learning at all. It's so fucking clear that nobody at school actually wanted to be there. It's this disgusting formality that we're all forced into so we can decide what we want to do with our lives before we're even allowed to vote. The thought of having to go to school another day often drove me to the edge of suicide.[/QUOTE] Or, you know, because it's a stupid fucking idea to allow the growth of an uneducated populace. Calm the edge snowflake.
Public education is shit presently, sure, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't go to school. School still teaches you a lot of basic things like reading, writing, arithmetic and basic social skills which most people need to be successful. If you can't see the merit of it, you're probably still too young to. I understand it being difficult for a lot of people but that's no reason to condemn it outright.
yeah i shouldnt ever make posts at 3 AM when im at my most ~edgy~ and at my least rational judgment whoops
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48146960]-SNIP it's HIGHER education its 3 AM and i should never be allowed to make SH posts at 3 AM-[/QUOTE] Maybe if you paid attention in school you would have learned to read, so you would then know what the thread was about and you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;48146994]Maybe if you paid attention in school you would have learned to read, so you would then know what the thread was about and you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself.[/QUOTE] ok to be fair it's not about reading it's about comprehension reading the title and being awake enough to comprehend what it's saying are two different things nonetheless great zing
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48143348]i've regularly considered taking a plumbing/electrician/woodworking/auto mechanic apprenticeship instead of going to college. you learn immediately applicable skills, you are essentially guaranteed a job if you're a decent worker, and by the time you're in your mid-late 30's you're making six figures so long as you can work hard. the entire "a diploma guarantees a good job!" is dead. if I'm not working in the field I major in within about 2-3 years of graduating, I'm taking an apprenticeship and forgetting I ever had a diploma.[/QUOTE] Apprentice mechanic here. Do it, I'm getting paid to learn a career. The only debt I have is my car note.
[QUOTE=meppers;48143626]I dont understand why people go to private universities instead of a state college. employers don't give a shit where you went to school if you have to pay more than 1k per class before scholarships, grants, etc you are being screwed.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=FinalHunter;48143726]My university is private and about 50k a year and I don't pay a dime because I'm on academic scholarships. I'll get dumbed for this but sometimes I really don't understand people who take out all these student loans and such for a degree. It's very feasible to go to college (especially a public one) and pay very little if anything with some hard work. I'm not going to call anybody lazy or dumb but there are definitely opportunities out there to go to college without putting yourself into crippling debt. There are people at my university that have tens of thousands in student loans already and they picked one of the most expensive private universities in the state when they easily could have gone to a public school and cut that cost by 75%. Really don't understand some people's financial decision making.[/QUOTE] While I think we're all in consensus in this thread that education needs to be overhauled, it really drives me up the wall when people take a four or five year degree from a private university with no financial assistance in a less-than-immediately-applicable degree while not working a side job and then complain that they got screwed by the system. No, that's not getting screwed by the system, that's getting screwed by bad decision-making. I'm not saying it's easy or cheap, but higher education is affordable if you're smart about what you're doing. Don't go to the most expensive school, don't accept an offer that doesn't come with scholarships or financial aid, don't go to school in the first place if you don't know exactly what you want to study, don't pursue a degree that won't earn back its cost, make sure you have an industry-relevant co-op or internship for each summer to make a bit of money and build experience, and consider community college for gen ed requirements. It's not that students are stupid or irresponsible, because there's this huge culture around going to a good school and getting a good degree so you can get a good job, and when you're 18 and attending class and partying those loans seem very, very far away. But there are a lot of grads with enormous amounts of debt and no certain job prospects who look back and simply say 'education is too expensive' as if their situation was unavoidable. Honestly, as bad as the cost of education is, I think the bigger issue is the culture that tells kids they HAVE to go to a good school while simultaneously telling them it's okay to blow tens of thousands of dollars on frivolous education that will never pay for itself. There'd be a lot less student debt if kids were taught to treat college as the expensive investment that it is.
I could have gotten a (basically) free education at Southern A&M here in Baton Rouge because Southern's student demographics are 80-90% black. Since there are diversity quotas for federal funding, they will give white students basically a free ride to try and make sure they have enough to meet the diversity requirements.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;48148230]I could have gotten a (basically) free education at Southern A&M here in Baton Rouge because Southern's student demographics are 80-90% black. Since there are diversity quotas for federal funding, they will give white students basically a free ride to try and make sure they have enough to meet the diversity requirements.[/QUOTE] Now there's something you don't hear every day.
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