• Woman executes her intruder during 911 call.
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[QUOTE=RBM11;18827776]You probably wouldn't have lost your friend because he wasn't acting violent. The "shoot first, ask questions later" is actually illegal because if the person wasn't threatening anyone or their property, it is illegal to harm them. [/QUOTE] Some places in the US have castle doctrine laws where you can shoot anyone who enters your home uninvited/unwarranted. [editline]09:50PM[/editline] [QUOTE=nukehummer;18827779]Of course, I'm sure your drunk friend would 'stumble' into a house with a patio table going through the glass door.[/QUOTE] Which is why I acknowledged the difference in situations.
[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;18827763]By no means did I say his intoxication is justification for anything, it explains his behavior. Meanwhile you still insist he's a raping murdering psycho path when there is in fact no evidence what so ever to suggest this.[/QUOTE] If yelling threats at someone for ten minutes and then throwing a piece of furniture through her glass door isn't threatening, then I don't know what is. Also, please point out where I called him a raping murdering psychopath, because I never said anything like it. I was just pointing out that his actions said he clearly wasn't harmlessly walking into the wrong house and show that he posed a risk to the woman and her home.
[QUOTE=nukehummer;18827779]Of course, I'm sure your drunk friend would 'stumble' into a house with a patio table going through the glass door.[/QUOTE] you don't have friends who drink a lot, do you?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18827825]you don't have friends who drink a lot, do you?[/QUOTE] Clearly your drinking friends don't exercise a lot of self control. That's not exactly a good thing. I for one know when too many drinks is enough, but maybe it's different for you and your friends. And if they get that intoxicated and know what happens to them when they're really drunk, then they are being stupid. [editline]10:55PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;18827803]Some places in the US have castle doctrine laws where you can shoot anyone who enters your home uninvited/unwarranted.[/QUOTE] [quote=wikipedia]A Castle Doctrine (also known as a Castle Law or a Defense of Habitation Law) is an American legal doctrine that arose from English Common Law[1] that designates one's place of residence (or, in some states, any place legally occupied, such as one's car or place of work) as a place in which one enjoys protection from illegal trespassing and violent attack. It then goes on to give a person the legal right to use deadly force to defend that place (his/her "castle"), and/or any other innocent persons legally inside it, [b]from violent attack or an intrusion which may lead to violent attack.[/b][/quote] Read the bold.
[QUOTE=RBM11;18827807]If yelling threats at someone for ten minutes and then throwing a piece of furniture through her glass door isn't threatening, then I don't know what is. Also, please point out where I called him a raping murdering psychopath, because I never said anything like it. I was just pointing out that his actions said he clearly wasn't harmlessly walking into the wrong house and show that he posed a risk to the woman and her home.[/QUOTE] It's called insinuating, which is exactly what you did by providing such extreme examples. [QUOTE=RBM11;18827865]Clearly your drinking friends don't exercise a lot of self control. That's not exactly a good thing. I for one know when too many drinks is enough, but maybe it's different for you and your friends. And if they get that intoxicated and know what happens to them when they're really drunk, then they are being stupid.[/QUOTE] Now that I'm getting a better picture of who you are I'm not surprised by your stance on this. [QUOTE=RBM11;18827865] Read the bold.[/QUOTE] It's an open ended statement which allows for people who simply feel threatened, even if there isn't a threat, to kill people on their property. This is common knowledge.
[QUOTE=RBM11;18827865]Clearly your drinking friends don't exercise a lot of self control. That's not exactly a good thing. I for one know when too many drinks is enough, but maybe it's different for you and your friends. And if they get that intoxicated and know what happens to them when they're really drunk, then they are being stupid.[/QUOTE] I'm not denying that. they need self control. But I'm not going to kill them. As much as you love the idea of murder.
[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;18827929]It's called insinuating, which is exactly what you did by providing such extreme examples.[/quote] I provided only one example that was too extreme and that was the PCP one. The drunk driving one is less extreme than a violent home invasion which is what this article's about [quote]Now that I'm getting a better picture of who you are I'm not surprised by your stance on this.[/QUOTE] What, that getting piss drunk when you know that you do things like stumbling into someone's house by accident and can potentially be killed by someone with a gun isn't smart? I thought everyone knew that. I'm all for getting drunk but getting so drunk that you stumble into strangers homes is a danger to yourself and others.
[QUOTE=RBM11;18827983]What, that getting piss drunk when you know that you do things like stumbling into someone's house by accident and can potentially be killed by someone with a gun isn't smart? I thought everyone knew that. I'm all for getting drunk but getting so drunk that you stumble into strangers homes is a danger to yourself and others.[/QUOTE] This is a totally ridiculous statement. I'm going to give you a chance to rethink this before I tell it like it is.
[QUOTE=RBM11;18827865]Read the bold.[/QUOTE] Laws with the word "may" in them can pretty much be interpreted however you want. I'm familiar with castle doctrine laws because I've debated them before.
[QUOTE=RBM11;18827865]Clearly your drinking friends don't exercise a lot of self control. That's not exactly a good thing. I for one know when too many drinks is enough, but maybe it's different for you and your friends. And if they get that intoxicated and know what happens to them when they're really drunk, then they are being stupid. [editline]10:55PM[/editline] Read the bold.[/QUOTE] So your saying that a man yelling at you and throwing a table through your window and attempting to enter your home could not lead to a violent attack.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18827963]I'm not denying that. they need self control. But I'm not going to kill them. As much as you love the idea of murder.[/QUOTE] I don't love the idea of murder and I never said that I was going to kill them either. Why do you assume these things? I never said I was going to kill them but anyone who awakes to the sound of a break in in the early hours of the morning is going to assume the worse and an unfortunate accident could occur that could destroy the lives of the homeowner and the victim's families. Accidents do happen but the story in the OP was no accident. I'm not advocating for the death of people who stumble into others' homes while intoxicated I'm just saying that it could cost them their life.
You can assume the worse, just ready for it, don't instantly go "HURP HE NEEDS TO DIE"
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18828051]You can assume the worse, just ready for it, don't instantly go "HURP HE NEEDS TO DIE"[/QUOTE] Do tell what you'd do in her situation Trotsky
[QUOTE=BagMinge101;18828017]So your saying that a man yelling at you and throwing a table through your window and attempting to enter your home could not lead to a violent attack.[/QUOTE] No. The situation I'm talking about is Zeke's friend stumbling into a home while drunk. I don't know the details but I'm assuming he didn't do the exact same thing the guy in the story did. Unfortunately, stumbling into a person's house while can be interpreted as a potential for violent attack but most people would do like the lady did and try to avoid shooting the intrudeer at all costs. Please read my previous posts before assuming I'm supporting the criminal in the original story.
She told him she was armed and he still tried to break in? Fucking dumbass, good riddance. [B]EDIT[/B] I wouldn't really call this execution, because when I think execution I think of being shot point blank in the head.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18828051]You can assume the worse, just ready for it, don't instantly go "HURP HE NEEDS TO DIE"[/QUOTE] Why do I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall? Should I repeat myself? Most people would assume the worse if they hear a break in and that can result in an unfortunate ACCIDENT. Most people would try to avoid killing the intruder if at all possible. If the intruder forces the person into a situation like in the story, they have no choice but to defend themself. However, most people would be paralyzed by fear and just shoot into the dark and potentially kill that person, which is bad. This situation can be COMPLETELY avoided by not getting so drunk you wander into stranger's homes. Do you get it now?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18828051]You can assume the worse, just ready for it, don't instantly go "HURP HE NEEDS TO DIE"[/QUOTE] It's like people don't understand that they have the ability to not kill an intruder. Being prepared for a home invasion is now the equivalent of saying you are ready to take someone's life. Call the police, leave the house, if you can't leave the house barricade yourself in a room, it's not hard. Violence should always be the last resort. [QUOTE=RBM11;18828085]No. The situation I'm talking about is Zeke's friend stumbling into a home while drunk. I don't know the details but I'm assuming he didn't do the exact same thing the guy in the story did. Unfortunately, stumbling into a person's house while can be interpreted as a potential for violent attack but most people would do like the lady did and try to avoid shooting the intrudeer at all costs. Please read my previous posts before assuming I'm supporting the criminal in the original story.[/QUOTE] It may sound like I'm putting the old woman at fault, but she definitely did not exhaust her non-lethal options. [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=18828009&postcount=758[/url] have you rethought this RBM11?
"Hey Mr. Creepy man who just threw a table threw my window and is shouting threats at me, you wouldn't by any chance be planning on doing something nefarious would you?" "Why of course not! I was simply wanting to know if you would like to have a spot of tea! I however have a terrible case of tourettes, and simply could not control myself!" The point I'm trying to make is, creepy dude smashes through your door with a table while screaming threats at you, it's pretty fucking obvious his intentions are NOT GOOD, he is planning to do bad things, now I don't know about you, but if someone does that to me, I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt and the motherfuckers getting a hole, probably SEVERAL holes in his chest. It's not that I think he shouldn't be a live or doesn't DESERVE to be alive, but the simple fact is, the fuckers breaking into your house, screaming threats, for all you know he could have a knife or even a gun hidden somewhere, it's him or you and I'm not about to let someone fuck me over like that. Also people who keep saying "Oh you should shoot him in the kneecap!" if you had made that split second decision that you were GOING to implant bullets in someone via a firearm, you wont be able to shoot with any sort of accuracy like that, your going to point your gun at him and pull the trigger till he stops fucking moving, unless you've had serious-ass training and actually been in that situation before the adrenaline would be fucking with you so much you wouldn't be able to see much less shoot straight, not to mention with the fucked up justice system we've got you could shoot the fucker in the kneecap and he could turn around a sue your ass and fuck you over even more, if your defending yourself you go for the one type of shot that's going to absolutely ensure your safety, both now and in the long run, you shoot the bastard in center mass as many times as you can before he hits the ground and let the cops sort out the mess when they get there. /rantreitteratingwhateveryoneelsewithanygoddamnsensehasalreadysaid
This shouldn't even be a debate. Man breaks in, keeps going even after being threatened with a shotgun, he gets shot. I must be missing something in this equation.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18827963]I'm not denying that. they need self control. But I'm not going to kill them. As much as you love the idea of murder.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't want to kill, but I'd sure as hell shoot someone who threw a table through my back door at 1 in the morning, and then entered my house.
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;18828216]This shouldn't even be a debate. Man breaks in, keeps going even after being threatened with a shotgun, he gets shot. I must be missing something in this equation.[/QUOTE] He was drunk, has no history of violence and never made threats against the woman's life, he was just confused and in the wrong place. [QUOTE=nukehummer;18828222]I wouldn't want to kill, but I'd sure as hell shoot someone who threw a table through my back door at 1 in the morning, and then entered my house.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't want to kill anyone but if you break my window I'll kill you.
You people don't seem to realize that it's not either kill or be killed. There is an in between, this is not a video game.
[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;18828148]It's like people don't understand that they have the ability to not kill an intruder. Being prepared for a home invasion is now the equivalent of saying you are ready to take someone's life. Call the police, leave the house, if you can't leave the house barricade yourself in a room, it's not hard. Violence should always be the last resort.[/quote] You mean while that person takes all of your stuff, stuff you will never see again? What if you have family members in other rooms? Are you just going sit back in your room which is probably "barricaded" by a simple lock that can easily be kicked in while you and your family members are in danger? Plus, police response times are incredibly slow in most places. [quote]It may sound like I'm putting the old woman at fault, but she definitely did not exhaust her non-lethal options.[/quote] What else could she have done? Run? She's an old lady? Call the police at any sound which could be anything and barricade herself in her room, wasting police resources? Beat him up? Again, old lady. [quote][url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=18828009&postcount=758[/url] have you rethought this RBM11?[/QUOTE] What's there to rethink? Getting so drunk that you stumble into strangers homes is stupid and yes, you can control how much you drink. It is your responsibility to drink responsibly. Is getting so drunk that you stumble into someone else's home incredibly dangerous? Yes. They could be incredibly paranoid and fire at the site of a human figure. Short term gratification by getting so drunk you break and enter isn't work risking your life. [editline]11:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;18828247]You people don't seem to realize that it's not either kill or be killed. There is an in between, this is not a video game.[/QUOTE] Yes there is, you are correct. No one ever said it was kill or be killed. But when a maniac throws a chair into your window and steps into your house is he there to play video games? No. He there to take your shit and potentially harm you.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18828247]You people don't seem to realize that it's not either kill or be killed. There is an in between, this is not a video game.[/QUOTE] He could be shot but not killed instantly; although if paramedics don't get to him in time he could of died to blood lost
[QUOTE=Zeke129;18827646]I understand that this situation is different, but the "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality that some places in the US [u][b]encourage[/b][/u] is dangerous.[/QUOTE] Wtf we don't "encourage it" you imbecile.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18828247]You people don't seem to realize that it's not either kill or be killed. There is an in between, this is not a video game.[/QUOTE] You have no way of knowing what the persons intentions are, sure the guy had no history of violeence, he got drunk, decided to break into someones house, for all you know the fucker could have broken in raped her and killed her, maybe he had a psychotic breakdown? maybe he was just confused, theres a whole goddamn mess of possibilities and I'm not ruling any of that out, I'm saying that I'm not taking chances with my life and neither should anyone else.
[QUOTE=Zatharon;18828310]You have no way of knowing what the persons intentions are, sure the guy had no history of violeence, he got drunk, decided to break into someones house, for all you know the fucker could have broken in raped her and killed her, maybe he had a psychotic breakdown? maybe he was just confused, theres a whole goddamn mess of possibilities and I'm not ruling any of that out, I'm saying that I'm not taking chances with my life and neither should anyone else.[/QUOTE] Life is expensive, ammo isn't.
[QUOTE=zerglingv2;18828325]Life is expensive, ammo isn't.[/QUOTE] ... this is relevant to the argument...
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;18828337]... this is relevant to the argument...[/QUOTE] Actually it is, what would you rather have happen? your life gets totally assraped and flipped upside down ending with the potential of you being dead or seriously injured and large amounts of your belongings missing? or shoot a guy with a 1$ shotgun slug?
[QUOTE=Zatharon;18828377]A 1$ shotgun slug?[/QUOTE] The fuck?
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