[QUOTE=Trotsky;18845868]LOOK AT ME, i can shout theword idealism around like itfucking means something
IDEALISM
IDEALISM
IDEALISM
way to make a superficial argument.
A shot gun in a close range and closed area like a kitchen is pretty easy to hit a target. you're being fucking retarded- oh, sorry, more then usual. Which is a plus, I might add.[/QUOTE]
Look at me, I think everything slows down like a movie or Max Payne and I have time to think and aim my gun perfectly and take a crazy fucker out and then pop my painkillers and refill my health bar.
[editline]09:34PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18845926]you are obviously too slow to fucking understand this
so let me spell it out
you are in a closed area with a shotgun. A man theoretically charges at you, you, having this weapon in this environment, will, in fact, wound him if you aim low. Maybe it'll kill him, but less of a chance.
Yes, I'm implying someone USE their fucking head. Something you're incapable to do[/QUOTE]
Go visit his fucking grave and shut up already.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18845902]I do value life. I don't even harm insects. It doesn't mean I'm going to put my own life in danger to help an attacker out however.
No, that's your ideal scenario. It played out how it played out and I accept that.[/QUOTE]
I VALUE LIFE
BUT
oh gee, sure am glad this guy is dead, i mean, not like he could be incapacitated with a fucking shotgun in a closed enviroment, but still, i get off to killing people
I'm going to go discover a way to bring this guy back from the dead just so this argument dies.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18845929]Look at me, I think everything slows down like a movie or Max Payne and I have time to think and aim my gun perfectly and take a crazy fucker out and then pop my painkillers and refill my health bar.
[editline]09:34PM[/editline]
Go visit his fucking grave and shut up already.[/QUOTE]
yes, because moving a fucking stick aimed at a guy down a few inches takes YEARS to accomplish
you are literally retarded
I'd never kill in self defense other wise I might get yelled at by people such as Trotsky.
[editline]06:40PM[/editline]
Has nothing to do with the way the actual killing would affect me on the inside.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18845961]I VALUE LIFE
BUT
oh gee, sure am glad this guy is dead, i mean, not like he could be incapacitated with a fucking shotgun in a closed enviroment, but still, i get off to killing people[/QUOTE]
I haven't killed a person in my life. I could never outright kill a man. I don't even like watching gory, senseless killing in movies like Saw. However, if it came down to me or the other guy, I'd do whatever was necessary to make sure it wasn't me and if he dies, that's unfortunate, but that was his call, not mine. Do you understand or are we just going to write out scenarios on paper that didn't and most likely won't actually happen in real life?
Because I'm actually just that heartless, you can easily tell over the internet.
[editline]06:41PM[/editline]
Auto merge breaker. :(
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;18846076]I'd never kill in self defense other wise I might get yelled at by people such as Trotsky.
[editline]06:40PM[/editline]
Has nothing to do with the way the actual killing would affect me on the inside.[/QUOTE]
I now, eh? :rolleyes:
[editline]09:41PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18845982]yes, because moving a fucking stick aimed at a guy down a few inches takes YEARS to accomplish
you are literally retarded[/QUOTE]
Who is getting the dumbs? I'm not. I didn't give them to you either.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18845868]LOOK AT ME, i can shout theword idealism around like itfucking means something
IDEALISM
IDEALISM
IDEALISM
way to make a superficial argument.
A shot gun in a close range and closed area like a kitchen is pretty easy to hit a target. you're being fucking retarded- oh, sorry, more then usual. Which is a plus, I might add.[/QUOTE]
Can we please clear the air here.
Trotsky what are your beliefs on the subject at hand and what do you think the woman did wrong/right.
Same goes for everyone else. Emotion and hostility have no use in a logical debate.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18845926]you are obviously too slow to fucking understand this
so let me spell it out
you are in a closed area with a shotgun. A man theoretically charges at you, you, having this weapon in this environment, will, in fact, wound him if you aim low. Maybe it'll kill him, but less of a chance.
Yes, I'm implying someone USE their fucking head. Something you're incapable to do[/QUOTE]
Let's put you in the same situation and see how well your fucking brain works under that kind of stress. Probably not very well. Quit being arrogant.
[QUOTE=Idi Amin;18846146]Can we please clear the air here.
Trotsky what are your beliefs on the subject at hand and what do you think the woman did wrong/right.
Same goes for everyone else. Emotion and hostility have no use in a logical debate.[/QUOTE]
she was in the right, I think she should have tried to wound him, but still.
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;18846076]I'd never kill in self defense other wise I might get yelled at by people such as Trotsky.
[editline]06:40PM[/editline]
Has nothing to do with the way the actual killing would affect me on the inside.[/QUOTE]
A+ contribution to the thread.
just make a superficial argument skipping over the issue
will read again.
[editline]03:48AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Flame NeoG;18846203]Let's put you in the same situation and see how well your fucking brain works under that kind of stress. Probably not very well. Quit being arrogant.[/QUOTE]
oh, I've never been under extreme stress, right? :downs:
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18846225]she was in the right, I think she should have tried to wound him, but still.
A+ contribution to the thread.
just make a superficial argument skipping over the issue
will read again.[/QUOTE]
It's better than rehashing the same unrealistic tripe over and over.
[editline]09:49PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18846225]oh, I've never been under extreme stress, right? :downs:[/QUOTE]
Trying to get a date is not the same thing as having your house broken into by a lunatic.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18846246]It's better than rehashing the same unrealistic tripe over and over.[/QUOTE]
moving your gun... a few inches down, is unrealistic?
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
no
[editline]03:50AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18846246]
Trying to get a date is not the same thing as having your house broken into by a lunatic.[/QUOTE]
expert touch, you really showed me.
[QUOTE=Idi Amin;18846146]
Same goes for everyone else. Emotion and hostility have no use in a logical debate.[/QUOTE]
Neither is using inappropriate sentence structure and tone in attempt to look smarter.
[QUOTE=lmaoboat;18846294]Do I look cool now guys[/QUOTE]
no not really
[QUOTE=Idi Amin;18846331]no not really[/QUOTE]
Pardon me, but I do believe you have attributed a quote to me I did not make. I this, be it mockery, trying to make a point, or just an error on your part, to be quite offensive, and I would greatly appreciate it if you would rectify this at your convenience.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18846266]moving your gun... a few inches down, is unrealistic?[/QUOTE]
All she was thinking was survival. It's unfortunate for the intruder, but he brought fists to a gunfight. Also, it's a shotgun, so what are the odds that a shot that spreads out after being fired is going to hit only his leg? He may very well have taken a hit in a vital organ anyhow.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18846266]moving your gun... a few inches down, is unrealistic?
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
no[/QUOTE]
During all that crap that's going on? I don't think you'd even have to time to think where you're aiming, then again, I don't know you that much, maybe you would, that doesn't mean everyone can, though.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18846266]expert touch, you really showed me.[/QUOTE]
What stress could you possibly have been under that even comes close to the stress a woman at home by herself feels while someone is breaking in?
Trotsky, hell hath no fury like a womans scorn. Trying to rape one with a gun is no exception.
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;18846415]During all that crap that's going on? I don't think you'd even have to time to think where you're aiming, then again, I don't know you that much, maybe you would, that doesn't mean everyone can, though.[/QUOTE]
Yes it does because he lives in his own fairy tale land where everyone can react the same to any given situation as him, despite never having been in a life-endangering scenario aside from the hypothetical ones he posts on the internet.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18846266]moving your gun... a few inches down, is unrealistic?
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
no[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18845961]I VALUE LIFE
BUT
oh gee, sure am glad this guy is dead, i mean, not like he could be incapacitated with a fucking shotgun in a closed enviroment, but still, i get off to killing people[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18845926]you are obviously too slow to fucking understand this
so let me spell it out
you are in a closed area with a shotgun. A man theoretically charges at you, you, having this weapon in this environment, will, in fact, wound him if you aim low. Maybe it'll kill him, but less of a chance.
Yes, I'm implying someone USE their fucking head. Something you're incapable to do[/QUOTE]
There are a number of fallacies I must address.
1. A shotgun at close range doesn't leave many options for nonlethal assault. Either you won't put enough pellets on target to stop the attack, or they are going to die. Doesn't matter where you hit them. If you peg them in the leg you are virtually guaranteed to shred a major artery, causing them to bleed out. There is simply no way for an ambulance to get there fast enough to save anyone from that kind of wound.
2. How do you know she didn't aim for the arm/leg? Does the article specify?
3. Lots of people give cops shit after a fatal shooting saying stuff like "Why didn't you shoot them in the legs/arms/etc? Why didn't you shoot the gun out of their hand?" You simply can't expect anyone, regardless of their training to do so. It is a little known fact, but [b]the concept of shoot to maim does not actually exist within law enforcement[/b]. When a police officer fires his/her gun with anything other than a special nonlethal round they are shooting to kill. That is what they're expected to do. They are professionals and if they are not expected to make that decision in that kind of scenario I don't know how you can realistically expect a civilian to do so.
4. If she did aim for the arm or the leg, that's not actually a good thing. This goes back to my earlier statement that if you're going to use a gun in your self-defense, be ready to actually take a life. That is why the police are expected to shoot to kill or not shoot at all.
And before you ask, I know this because I'm trying to get into law enforcement in the distant future. I have read books written by police officers, I have done ride-alongs, I have talked to active and retired officers, I have taken classes in administration of justice and a paralegal class.
So whatever you respond don't dare claim I don't know what I'm talking about.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18845926]you are obviously too slow to fucking understand this
so let me spell it out
you are in a closed area with a shotgun. A man theoretically charges at you, you, having this weapon in this environment, will, in fact, wound him if you aim low. Maybe it'll kill him, but less of a chance.
Yes, I'm implying someone USE their fucking head. Something you're incapable to do[/QUOTE]
Yes, because blowing off his legs is better than killing him instantly. His life will be much better in a wheel chair.
With the previous two posts, I rest my case.
You have a page full of people arguing against you and a couple dumb ratings. It's time to move on.
If you like, you can try again here, Trotsky:
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=858989[/url]
[QUOTE=Osteoporosis;18846583]Yes, because blowing off his legs is better than killing him instantly. His life will be much better in a wheel chair.[/QUOTE]
And here's Mr. Lawsuit coming in right now.
[editline]07:18PM[/editline]
Not to imply you should kill people to avoid a lawsuit, of course.
[QUOTE=GhostSonic;18846739]And here's Mr. Lawsuit coming in right now.[/QUOTE]
In the states, anything is possible when it comes to lawsuits. I'd bet my bottom dollar he'd win.
[QUOTE=TheForeigner;18804740]She should be jailed for murder.
Self defence or not she could have held him at gunpoint and not fire.
Pressing the trigger should have a easy excuse "He was threatening me so i killed him"
[B]Also why kill when you could shoot the guys leg or something and eliminating the threat without killing him.[/B]
V-->Dumb americans
V
V[/QUOTE]
I had to agree with this but the rest really is stupid.
[QUOTE=don868;18846872]I had to agree with this but the rest really is stupid.[/QUOTE]
Read Bean-O's posts on this page and then reevaluate your agreement.
[QUOTE=Malumbre;18846921]Read Bean-O's posts on this page and then reevaluate your agreement.[/QUOTE]
Re-evaluated, Either way, the guy would die no matter where she shot him. But I think that might have been the only option. Dont you think he clearly saw the shotgun when he was trying to break in?
[QUOTE=don868;18847013]Re-evaluated, Either way, the guy would die no matter where she shot him. But I think that might have been the only option. Dont you think he clearly saw the shotgun when he was trying to break in?[/QUOTE]
He was drunk, apparently.
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