whaling in sanctuaries (which they often do) is illegal no matter what as well.
I still think that even if what the whalers are doing is wrong, what the activists are doing is also wrong. I'm betting that even if the whalers did reduce their entire fleet to one ship that was actually doing research, the activists would still harass the hell out of them.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;31121891]he's said that he's a stalinist as well though. so either he's a moron or a idiot... :P[/QUOTE]
Based upon your opinion I am an idiot.
[QUOTE=LittleDogX;31123264]I still think that even if what the whalers are doing is wrong, what the activists are doing is also wrong. I'm betting that even if the whalers did reduce their entire fleet to one ship that was actually doing research, the activists would still harass the hell out of them.[/QUOTE]
as long as that 'research' involves brutally killing whales then any harassment of them is completely justified.
[editline]15th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31123762]Based upon your opinion I am an idiot.[/QUOTE]
you're a stalinist... you're a moron regardless of my opinion.
[QUOTE=LittleDogX;31123264]I still think that even if what the whalers are doing is wrong, what the activists are doing is also wrong. I'm betting that even if the whalers did reduce their entire fleet to one ship that was actually doing research, the activists would still harass the hell out of them.[/QUOTE]
If they where actually doing research they wouldn't be killing hundreds of whales a year.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;31124504]you're a stalinist... you're a moron regardless of my opinion.[/QUOTE]
A state requires only two goals, inward perfection and outward expansion. Stalinism seems to do this pretty rapidly.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;31098932]this is a bad thing FP, this whaling is bad and sea shepard is good organization thing despite what you think of their methods.[/QUOTE]
Sea Shepherd is a set of common terrorists that only get a pass with you yuppies because you think their cause is noble. They've violated the fucking Inhumane Weapons Convention before. The moment they started using [URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10619393"]blinding lasers[/URL] they proved that they lack even a modicum of compassion for the men aboard the vessels they're antagonizing.
I don't give a damn is the Japanese are raping the fucking whales, Sea Shepherd hurts [I]humans.[/I]
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;31134172]Sea Shepherd is a set of common terrorists that only get a pass with you yuppies because you think their cause is noble. They've violated the fucking Inhumane Weapons Convention before. The moment they started using [URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10619393"]blinding lasers[/URL] they proved that they lack even a modicum of compassion for the men aboard the vessels they're antagonizing.
I don't give a damn is the Japanese are raping the fucking whales, Sea Shepherd hurts [I]humans.[/I][/QUOTE]
not to mention the leader of the sea shepard is a lying, conniving tub of lard
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31130292]A state requires only two goals, inward perfection and outward expansion. Stalinism seems to do this pretty rapidly.[/QUOTE]
To live forever all I have to do is not die :downs:
Oh sorry I thought we were being brutally derp.
And good luck with both those principles, see how long it take for the world to turn on you in a haze of blind fury and eviscerate you for the second.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;31134172]Sea Shepherd is a set of common terrorists that only get a pass with you yuppies because you think their cause is noble. They've violated the fucking Inhumane Weapons Convention before. The moment they started using [URL="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10619393"]blinding lasers[/URL] they proved that they lack even a modicum of compassion for the men aboard the vessels they're antagonizing.
I don't give a damn is the Japanese are raping the fucking whales, Sea Shepherd hurts [I]humans.[/I][/QUOTE]
Didn't the whalers also try ramming the sea shepards? It goes both ways.
I cringed at the bob barker and the steve irwin.
Why don't a few of these whalers invest in some sidearms and shoot up these morons?
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=BadderSanta;31112262]What the whalers are doing is perfectly legal. Of course if there were killing pandas, there would be an uproar.[/QUOTE]
Pandas suck
LEAVE JAPAN ALONE
Christ, I just read about the lasers, and the acid projectiles. Yeeahhh thats a criminal organization right there.
[QUOTE=JamesRaynor;31142744]Didn't the whalers also try ramming the sea shepards? It goes both ways.[/QUOTE]
They didn't try, they DID, in one of the episodes of whale wars the Shino Maru No.2 smashes into one of the SS ships and punches a hole in it under the waterline.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;31148359]Christ, I just read about the lasers, and the acid projectiles. Yeeahhh thats a criminal organization right there.[/QUOTE]
Also the acid projectiles just act as stink bombs, it's to deter them.
They used an old school water cannon as well.
[QUOTE=Pantheocide;31148380]They didn't try, they DID, in one of the episodes of whale wars the Shino Maru No.2 smashes into one of the SS ships and punches a hole in it under the waterline.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
Also the acid projectiles just act as stink bombs, it's to deter them.
They used an old school water cannon as well.[/QUOTE]
Oh, so its ok to throw toxic chemicals at people and blind them with lasers?
Notice how I didn't say shit about that? I suppose you didn't cause you think I did when i didn't.
It's illegal to use lasers in that capacity so they should be reprimanded for that, just like the legal loophole the japs are using to keep whaling should be sorted out, and almost everything is toxic, cry some more.
japs need to wip out some Arisakas, japan would win.
[QUOTE=Pantheocide;31148527]Notice how I didn't say shit about that? I suppose you didn't cause you think I did when i didn't.
It's illegal to use lasers in that capacity so they should be reprimanded for that, just like the legal loophole the japs are using to keep whaling should be sorted out, and almost everything is toxic, cry some more.[/QUOTE]
So because they hunt whales its ok to throw acid on em. Cool.
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;31148988]So because they hunt whales its ok to throw acid on em. Cool.[/QUOTE]
um
all the acid does is make them smell bad
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;31101899]uhhhh i do understand sympathy??? that's why i really want japan to stop violently killing one of the most intelligent species in the world????
[/QUOTE]
So you don't care if an endangered animal that is stupid gets killed?
[QUOTE=Jetblack357;31148988]So because they hunt whales its ok to throw acid on em. Cool.[/QUOTE]
You do know that not all acid is as harmful as you think right?
Vinegar? Yeah that's acetic acid, and this acid, Butyric acid, is a fatty acid that the body produces on it's own, so it's nowhere near as harmful as you'd like to think, it's basically the same sort of shit that comes up from your intestines after a long night on the sauce.
And again I never said it's okay to throw acid, go and brush up on your reading comprehension.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Matrix374;31149158]So you don't care if an endangered animal that is stupid gets killed?[/QUOTE]
He probably does care, but I think it's the fact that the whale has a brain more advanced than our own that he feels it's more important than saving a rare endangered bear that is dying out simply because they're too lazy to fuck.
That's just an example so don't go on about that, it's just to illustrate the point.
[QUOTE=Matrix374;31149158]So you don't care if an endangered animal that is stupid gets killed?[/QUOTE]
In case you didn't know, the Minke Whale and Humpback Whale are classified Least Concern. The quotas on endangered whales are very low and are almost never filled.
[editline]16th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pantheocide;31149425]
He probably does care, but I think it's the fact that the whale has a brain more advanced than our own that he feels it's more important than saving a rare endangered bear that is dying out simply because they're too lazy to fuck.
That's just an example so don't go on about that, it's just to illustrate the point.[/QUOTE]
... really? Simply too lazy to fuck?
What prevents me from using the same non-sense argument with endangered whales?
You do know that Panda's were dying out cause they were too lazy to fuck, it took the Chinese doing a crazy intensive cause when they were in captivity they just didn't fuck, and the fact that they are still going to be reliant on conservation for the forseeable future.
Any way as I said, it's just to illustrate the point so looking into is pretty pointless because it's not part of the main argument.
[QUOTE=Matrix374;31149158]So you don't care if an endangered animal that is stupid gets killed?[/QUOTE]
what a stupid thing to say. i care about all animals i just care about more intelligent ones that are being killed inhumanely a bit more.
[QUOTE=fishyfish777;31083612]As much as I am against the whaling industry, I don't think this kind of action is the way to stop it.[/QUOTE]
You're absolutely right. If I was a radical environmentalist and a member of Sea Shepherd, I think I'd just form a merchant VBSS team and start aggressively handicapping the whaling capacity of any ships I come across, and killing the crews who resist.
If they don't respect diplomacy, protest, or the plain fact that they're killing a lot of threatened animals under false pretenses (breaking the law,) then you've really exhausted all your options except outright violence. I'm not saying I support Sea Shepherd, I think they're a bunch of psychopaths. But you have to admit, they have the tenacity and persistence to make a difference. If the members of Sea Shepherd weren't a bunch of hippies, I'm pretty sure they'd probably start resorting to violent boarding and seizures of whaling ships. Could you really blame them? The Japanese government have done nothing to ease tensions. They haven't said anything about cutting down on their practices. They are openly, stubbornly refusing to stop doing something which is not only illegal, but incredibly harmful to the environment. It seems to me the only solution would be to get very aggressive, and very violent. They're doing one of those two right now, and it's done wonders on cutting down on Arctic whaling in the recent past. You can't argue with results.
Or you could do what Sea Shepard are doing just now, and just block the slipway of the factory ship, if they can't get the whale on board the ship then they don't kill the whales.
And just to make it clear, the sea shepard ships only use the stink bombs and water cannons and the like when the whaling or security ships start acting aggressively towards them or when it's going to have a major effect or their ability to whale.
[QUOTE=JamesRaynor;31142744]Didn't the whalers also try ramming the sea shepards? It goes both ways.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing wrong with self-defense when you're being attacked by nutjobs.
[QUOTE=Pantheocide;31150692]And just to make it clear, the sea shepard ships only use the stink bombs and water cannons and the like when the whaling or security ships start acting aggressively towards them or when it's going to have a major effect or their ability to whale.[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;g6MymqeXhl0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6MymqeXhl0[/video]
Look at those damn Japanese ships, acting aggressive by telling the terrorists to back off. They totally deserved to have a laser in their eyes.
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