I've never understood the pro death penalty argument. You'd think having to spend the rest of your (natural) life confined to a small cell would be a worse punishment than being executed. Regardless, I don't think prisons should aim to punish. Their goal should be to rehabilitate and separate dangerous individuals from the rest of society.
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;44681922]5 marksmen with high powered rifles
I'll take my chances.[/QUOTE]
Only one person in a firing squad has live ammo, and none of the soldiers in the line know who.
[QUOTE=Erector Beast;44681802]yes because the only realistic options we have are ending them or releasing them with absolutely no efforts toward rehabilitating them[/QUOTE]
I want to believe this is an ironic post and you are in no way serious.
Considering how many executions there are in a year and how often crap like this happens, I'm seriously beginning to wonder if this is a coincidence.
A bullet to the head is much, MUCH more humane (and a cheaper alternative too). Quick and painless, and zero chance of fuckup if you use a point-blank shot.
[QUOTE=Lijitsu;44681974]Only one person in a firing squad has live ammo, and none of the soldiers in the line know who.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure it's usually only one person who has a blank, not only one who has a live round. I certainly wouldn't trust one shot to kill a guy quickly.
[QUOTE=Lijitsu;44681974]Only one person in a firing squad has live ammo, and none of the soldiers in the line know who.[/QUOTE]
You know there's no law that makes it so that has to be the case.
I honestly don't see the point in that idea anyway.
Hell you could do it with a rifle mounted to a wall.
[QUOTE=Matthew7434;44681813]One of them [B]RAPED AND MURDERED A ELEVEN MONTH OLD BABY[/B]
Another one [B]SHOT A WOMAN AND BURIED HER ALIVE[/B][/QUOTE]
What's your point?
Killing them serves no real purpose, in prison they are away from society, keeping us safe from them. And it gives us a chance to try and understand why they did these things, along with at least attempting to fix them (seeing as they're there, might as well try, it can't hurt). Prison systems based around punishment are massively inefficient compared to those based around rehabilitation.
If rehab fails, well they're in prison anyway so what's the issue here? It's cheaper to keep them alive than to go through all the required processes for the death penalty, and avoids fuckups like this.
[QUOTE=Lijitsu;44681974]Only one person in a firing squad has live ammo, and none of the soldiers in the line know who.[/QUOTE]
No, only one is given a blank cartridge.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44681961].50 cal BMG to the head. They would have no head left to feel with. Situation resolved.....[/QUOTE]
The solution is to cause their heads to explode, problem solved, progress.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44682000]Pretty sure it's usually only one person who has a blank, not only one who has a live round. I certainly wouldn't trust one shot to kill a guy quickly.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;44682005]You know there's no law that makes it so that has to be the case.
I honestly don't see the point in that idea anyway.
Hell you could do it with a rifle mounted to a wall.[/QUOTE]
I'm 99% sure it was all blanks and one live round so nobody knew who actually killed the prisoner, therefore nobody would have the guilt of killing another human because nobody knew who had the real round....
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;44682005]You know there's no law that makes it so that has to be the case.
I honestly don't see the point in that idea anyway.
Hell you could do it with a rifle mounted to a wall.[/QUOTE]
Somewhere along the line a person will have to be involved, to turn the system on, to install the system, to create the system. No matter how automatic you make it, somebody is going to be responsible for tons of deaths. How about we just don't kill them? I'm sure the prison population can make their lives hell if you're in this for some kind of revenge shit or whatever.
Oh waa 2 prisoners had a shitty death penalty experience..
I guess maybe don't rape and murder an infant or shoot and bury alive a 19 year old girl?
[QUOTE=Matthew7434;44681813]One of them [B]RAPED AND MURDERED A ELEVEN MONTH OLD BABY[/B]
Another one [B]SHOT A WOMAN AND BURIED HER ALIVE[/B][/QUOTE]
So? Killing them resolves nothing. Like I said before, you'd think people who want them to suffer would rather them spend the rest of their life in jail, as it seems like a more severe punishment than doing the same thing but ending it prematurely. Rehabilitate those that are able to be rehabilitated, and keep those that can't in maximum security. The moment a prison's goal becomes punishing, the room for malice and corruption within it rises exponentially.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44682021]I'm 99% sure it was all blanks and one live round so nobody knew who actually killed the prisoner, therefore nobody would have the guilt of killing another human because nobody knew who had the real round....[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_firing_squad#Blank_cartridge[/url]
Granted it says one or more, but it's pretty clear that it's not "all but one" generally. Just google "firing squad blank" and most sources say one blank.
[QUOTE=mastoner20;44681677]Evidently the kind that causes heartattacks in low-enough doses. But I was more pointing out that it didn't sound like the drugs were the 'problem' ultimately, but the line injecting said drugs.[/QUOTE]
it wasnt the drugs, it was the tube bursting. If air gets in your veins and blood, just a little air bubble fucks up your heart and kills you
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44682000]Pretty sure it's usually only one person who has a blank, not only one who has a live round. I certainly wouldn't trust one shot to kill a guy quickly.[/QUOTE]
Hm. I certainly could have remembered that wrong, and that does indeed make more sense.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44682009]What's your point?
Killing them serves no real purpose, in prison they are away from society, keeping us safe from them. And it gives us a chance to try and understand why they did these things, along with at least attempting to fix them (seeing as they're there, might as well try, it can't hurt). Prison systems based around punishment are massively inefficient compared to those based around rehabilitation.
[B]If rehab fails, well they're in prison anyway so what's the issue here? It's cheaper to keep them alive than to go through all the required processes for the death penalty, and avoids fuckups like this.[/B][/QUOTE]
no, the annual cost of incarceration, on average, per federal inmate, is ~$27,000
it costs ~$1,600 to execute an inmate by lethal injection, not counting the court fees and judicial review.
we would save millions of taxpayers more money by killing people on death row faster.
[editline]29th April 2014[/editline]
a rope and a tree are re-usable though
[QUOTE=ConArtist;44682060]no, the annual cost of incarceration, on average, per federal inmate, is ~$27,000
it costs ~$1,600 to execute an inmate by lethal injection, not counting the court fees and judicial review.
we would save millions of taxpayers more money by killing people on death row faster.[/QUOTE]
Even cheaper still for firing squad/single point-blank bullet.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;44682076]Even cheaper still for firing squad/single point-blank bullet.[/QUOTE]
and you'll go out like a real man
[QUOTE=ConArtist;44682060]no, the annual cost of incarceration, on average, per federal inmate, is ~$27,000
it costs ~$1,600 to execute an inmate by lethal injection, [B]not counting the court fees and judicial review.
[/B]
we would save millions of taxpayers more money by killing people on death row faster.
[editline]29th April 2014[/editline]
a rope and a tree are re-usable though[/QUOTE]
Include those bits, they're important, can't be killing the wrong people now can we?
There aren't really any humane ways to kill people, as killing is inherently an inhumane act. Sure we might have more presentable or less painful ways, but you're just dressing up the fact it's government sanctioned murder (I swear if any of you fuckers post something like "they forfeited their right to life").
[QUOTE=ConArtist;44682060]no, the annual cost of incarceration, on average, per federal inmate, is ~$27,000
it costs ~$1,600 to execute an inmate by lethal injection, not counting the court fees and judicial review.
we would save millions of taxpayers more money by killing people on death row [B]faster[/B].[/QUOTE]
But that's the thing, isn't it?
You can't kill people faster, because you have to make 100% sure that the person you're about to kill is truly guilty, and even with this massive amounts of preparations death row inmates go to, it has still killed innocents.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44682095]Include those bits, they're important, can't be killing the wrong people now can we?
There aren't really any humane ways to kill people, as killing is inherently an inhumane act. Sure we might have more presentable or less painful ways, but you're just dressing up the fact it's government sanctioned murder (I swear if any of you fuckers post something like "they forfeited their right to life").[/QUOTE]
They forfeited their right to life.
/s
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44682095]Include those bits, they're important, can't be killing the wrong people now can we?
There aren't really any humane ways to kill people, as killing is inherently an inhumane act. Sure we might have more presentable or less painful ways, but you're just dressing up the fact it's government sanctioned murder (I swear if any of you fuckers post something like "they forfeited their right to life").[/QUOTE]
they forfeited their right to life
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god damn it
[QUOTE=ConArtist;44682060]no, the annual cost of incarceration, on average, per federal inmate, is ~$27,000
it costs ~$1,600 to execute an inmate by lethal injection, not counting the court fees and judicial review.
we would save millions of taxpayers more money by killing people on death row faster.[/QUOTE]
Did you just suggest that the government kill [i]more[/i] people?
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44682095]Include those bits, they're important, can't be killing the wrong people now can we?
There aren't really any humane ways to kill people, as killing is inherently an inhumane act. Sure we might have more presentable or less painful ways, but you're just dressing up the fact it's government sanctioned murder (I swear if any of you fuckers post something like "[b]Insert legitimate argument here[/b]").[/QUOTE]
Fixed.
[QUOTE=ConArtist;44682115]they forfeited their right to life
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god damn it[/QUOTE]
You lose, was it worth it?
But no, for real killing these guys has done jack shit for society. If they were clearly a danger they'd never be released (by a decent system anyway). Just two less mouths to feed at best I guess? I personally think keeping them about to work out why they're so broken would have been a better use of their lives really, we might be able to actually help people that way.
Anybody who legitimately thinks murdering someone to punish them for murder makes any kind of logical sense is doing some gold-medal worthy mental gymnastics.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;44682095]Include those bits, they're important, can't be killing the wrong people now can we?
There aren't really any humane ways to kill people, as killing is inherently an inhumane act. Sure we might have more presentable or less painful ways, but you're just dressing up the fact it's government sanctioned murder (I swear if any of you fuckers post something like "they forfeited their right to life").[/QUOTE]
b-but I need muh vengeance :^(
Jesus fuck, this thread shows how fucked up our culture is. Hate begets hate. Killing others (whether or not they "deserve" it is irrelevant) is never needed, except in some cases of self-defense. Killing criminals solves nothing. It's violence for the sake of violence.
[QUOTE=Berque-IL;44682129]Fixed.[/QUOTE]
lmao aren't you a smart cookie.
Please, give me some legitimate arguments, you can't forfeit the right to life, so that's not one.
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