Trump Threatens Federal Intervention in Chicago, Citing ‘Carnage’ (on fucking twitter)

[1239the]

[QUOTE=Tudd;51724667]Talked about it here.
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1549892&p=51724506&viewfull=1#post51724506[/url]

Also I think him showing interest for it still is a big deal. He could have easily just forgotten about it and move on. Most likely he is talking about feds in a way that he would start to have an agency like the FBI investigate if the cities municipal don't start improving the situation.

I think BDA mentioned he "literally" (lol) has armies marching around cities to keep them in subordination, but that is him just being a silly billy. If he is referring to Trump wanting a Military parade like that, then that is simply a ridiculous overreaction already discussed in the marching thread. You are only kidding yourself if you think the Trumpen Reich is actually ready to march down your street to give you nothing but intimidating looks and jack booted door kicks.[/QUOTE]

tudd you know usually I'm the one who defends you but you're really stretching here to find a justification for massive federal overreach

[EmperorScorpious]

[QUOTE=Tudd;51725138]Nope, but maybe they need to try new methods or do better considering this has been problem for quite awhile and something that is politically debated as a problem from both sides.

Lol do you actually think I would be that heartless?[/QUOTE]

Ah so you think they're just repetitively trying the same thing over and over and over and just not realizing it's not working.

Because people are actually that stupid.

[Kyle877]

[QUOTE=Tudd;51725138]

Lol do you actually think I would be that heartless?[/QUOTE]

Maybe not heartless. Definitely dense though.

[hippowombat]

[QUOTE=Tudd;51725138]Nope, but maybe they need to try new methods [B]or do better[/B] considering this has been problem for quite awhile and something that is politically debated as a problem from both sides.

Lol do you actually think I would be that heartless?[/QUOTE]

Ah yes, why didn't they think of that? This whole time they've just been thumbing their anuses, when they should have just done better! :downs:

Do you have any constructive feedback or suggestions on what they should do?

[Tudd Fudders]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51725269]Ah so you think they're just repetitively trying the same thing over and over and over and just not realizing it's not working.

Because people are actually that stupid.[/QUOTE]

As someone has mentioned before, democratic corruption has really impeded effective efforts.

[editline]25th January 2017[/editline]

[QUOTE=FlamingBlizza;51725225]yeah kinda[/QUOTE]

My dude, come on to Discord sometime, you have got to talk it out with me.

I promise my voice won't be a monotone computer sounding voice without empathy.

[editline]25th January 2017[/editline]

[QUOTE=1239the;51725263]tudd you know usually I'm the one who defends you but you're really stretching here to find a justification for massive federal overreach[/QUOTE]

Well when some people think it's going to be a national guard under martial law maneuver, it's abit hard.

I mean really, have you guys never seen in history what "sending in the Feds" could be? Could be as simple as the FBI accessing the situation. Could a range of things, but some of y'all are ready to call it as a threat for martial law.

[1239the]

[QUOTE=Tudd;51725316]Well when some people think it's going to be a national guard under martial law maneuver, it's abit hard.

I mean really, have you guys never seen in history what "sending in the Feds" could be? Could be as simple as the FBI accessing the situation. Could a range of things, but some of y'all are ready to call it as a threat for martial law.[/QUOTE]

Trump isn't proposing sending federal investigators in to solve a few murders, though. He's taking aim specifically at the governance of Chicago. I don't believe he's going to instate the national guard or something, but I could very well believe he'd be willing to attempt to throw out the government there undemocratically.

[Tudd Fudders]

[QUOTE=1239the;51725391]Trump isn't proposing sending federal investigators in to solve a few murders, though. He's taking aim specifically at the governance of Chicago. I don't believe he's going to instate the national guard or something, but I could very well believe he'd be willing to attempt to throw out the government there undemocratically.[/QUOTE]

I really don't think he is going to "overthrow" anything.

You will probably see more involvement by a range of agencies, but still within the checks and balances.

[Zillamaster55]

Some small government, right guys? Make America Great Again by overstepping boundaries and centralizing the administrations of cities that voted against me!

What a baby.

[Raidyr]

[QUOTE=Tudd;51725401]I really don't think he is going to "overthrow" anything.

You will probably see more involvement by a range of agencies, but still within the checks and balances.[/QUOTE]

What do you think federal workers can do to solve the violence in Chicago, and do you think they would (or even should) be mobilized to assist in other cities?

[Super Muffin]

[QUOTE=Tudd;51724548]Atleast unlike 8 years of Obama (who worked in Chicago), Trump actually wants to do something about it within the 4th day of his presidency.

I can tell you guys, everyone on the Trump side are ecstatic right now. The shootings and deaths in Chicago are ridiculous and action has been desperately needed for a long time.[/QUOTE]

This has been an ongoing problem for decades. There have always been serious initiatives to combat the violence.

But no, god emperor Trump says nobody's been doing anything about it and he's going to fix a systemic issue based on poverty, geographical segregation, and a struggling education system by sending in "the feds".

Jesus christ man, think about it for five seconds.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51725316]As someone has mentioned before, democratic corruption has really impeded effective efforts.[/QUOTE]

This is an empty non-answer. Please try again.

[Bradyns]

[QUOTE=AntonioR;51723677]There are 30 Trump threads on this page only. If people keep this up, this subforum will be clogged up with Trump "news" for the next 4 years.[/QUOTE]

It's really painful.. I've been avoiding the subforum for this reason. :hammered:

[Super Muffin]

[QUOTE=AntonioR;51723677]There are 30 Trump threads on this page only. If people keep this up, this subforum will be clogged up with Trump "news" for the next 4 years.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bradyns;51728149]It's really painful.. I've been avoiding the subforum for this reason. :hammered:[/QUOTE]

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Are people going to start off-topic sniping threads now? He's the president it's going to be posted in the section about things in the news.

[Bradyns]

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51728172][IMG]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/information.png[/IMG]

Are people going to start off-topic sniping threads now? He's the president it's going to be posted in the section about things in the news.[/QUOTE]

It's an unprecedented deluge.

[Sgman91]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51725745]What do you think federal workers can do to solve the violence in Chicago, and do you think they would (or even should) be mobilized to assist in other cities?[/QUOTE]

One thing they might be able to do is provide a third party analysis of why the police force is seemingly refusing to arrest criminals. The city has seen increases in crime, but decreases in arrests. That's not a good thing. It means there are bigger issues within the force.

[Tudd Fudders]

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51725745]What do you think federal workers can do to solve the violence in Chicago, and do you think they would (or even should) be mobilized to assist in other cities?[/QUOTE]

I think the most we will see in direct action would be something of ATF involvement with raids and FBI going after gangs.

But I imagine he might just send in an agency to review and suggest plans to implement and then get the municipalities to follow through. Might even throw in a grant since they will fight tooth and nail against him unless he makes a deal.

[Provost]

[QUOTE=sgman91;51728299]One thing they might be able to do is provide a third party analysis of why the police force is seemingly refusing to arrest criminals. The city has seen increases in crime, but decreases in arrests. That's not a good thing. It means there are bigger issues within the force.[/QUOTE]

Ferguson effect, maybe.

[Mingebox]

[QUOTE=Tudd;51724548]Atleast unlike 8 years of Obama (who worked in Chicago), Trump actually wants to do something about it within the 4th day of his presidency.

I can tell you guys, everyone on the Trump side are ecstatic right now. The shootings and deaths in Chicago are ridiculous and action has been desperately needed for a long time.[/QUOTE]

Oh, DO something about it! Gosh, I wonder why nobody thought of that before!

[Missing User]

[QUOTE=Tudd;51724548]Atleast unlike 8 years of Obama (who worked in Chicago), Trump actually wants to do something about it within the 4th day of his presidency.

I can tell you guys, everyone on the Trump side are ecstatic right now. The shootings and deaths in Chicago are ridiculous and action has been desperately needed for a long time.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry man, but Chicago's problem's are not federal government problems. They are community and socioeconomic problems. This is a waste of federal money. Chicago's government doesn't even like Trump. They'll probably give the feds the finger and tell them to go away.

[Sgman91]

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;51728404]Ferguson effect, maybe.[/QUOTE]

It may very well be, and if it is, then we need to see some action to remedy the situation. As it stands, the new Police Commissioner totally denies anything like that.

[ROFLBURGER]

Apparently 1 hour before he made the tweet, Bill O'Reilly on his Fox News program was talking about the crime rate and how Trump should do something about it.

[url]https://youtu.be/AHfhuU6A2Dw?t=214[/url]

[Anderan]

So basically Trump saw something on the news and made a stupid comment about it.

[ROFLBURGER]

[QUOTE=Anderan;51728539]So basically Trump saw something on the news and made a stupid comment about it.[/QUOTE]

Before that segment, he was showing some articles where aides were saying that he watches way too much TV and gets angry every time someone says something bad about him.

[paramud]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51724556]Setting aside the fact that this is nothing but a hollow show of force, how does "everybody on the Trump side" feel about the fact that, four days into his presidency, he has also waged a personal war on science and education? The EPA has been frozen, nearly every environmental agency in the country has had a gag order put on it for any public discussion related to the climate, and now he is demanding that climate agency websites start actively purging public data related to climate change.

God's sake. Trump is literally marching soldiers around US cities while purging facts and data that threaten his rhetoric, and ya'll are "ecstatic." Surely that should at least be [I]somewhat concerning[/I] to you? If not, then what will it actually take for you to stop waving your giant foam fingers? Trump's rhetoric and action is more authoritarian than any president in modern history. It is almost unthinkable that this could be happening in the modern era.[/QUOTE]

You know, as terrible and horrifying all this really is, it's at least very insightful as to what societies must feel like before a dictatorship is instated. Obviously the idea of a Trump dictatorship is preposterous, but I can't imagine the feeling of seeing a nation so divided, with one half swallowing up everything their glorious leader says, is much different to what people felt while seeing Hitler, Stalin, or Kim Il-sung rise to power.

[Splarg]

[QUOTE=Tudd;51724548]Atleast unlike 8 years of Obama (who worked in Chicago), Trump actually wants to do something about it within the 4th day of his presidency.

I can tell you guys, everyone on the Trump side are ecstatic right now. The shootings and deaths in Chicago are ridiculous and action has been desperately needed for a long time.[QUOTE=Lambeth;51724572]He hasn't even done anything yet[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

That's the beauty of the relationship between Trump and his base.

One of his greatest assets is that he doesn't think twice before claiming that he can fix some massive convoluted problem that he has no comprehension of. It catches everyone off guard because nobody else is stupid enough to think it can be that easy.

It's perfect for voters who have made it pretty clear that they refuse to have any patience or think critically.

And seriously this is a perfect example. I'm touched that Trump voters are "ecstatic" about stopping crime in Chicago but anybody who gives a shit would know better.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51728089]This has been an ongoing problem for decades. There have always been serious initiatives to combat the violence.

But no, god emperor Trump says nobody's been doing anything about it and he's going to fix a systemic issue based on poverty, geographical segregation, and a struggling education system by sending in "the feds".

Jesus christ man, think about it for five seconds.[/QUOTE]