[QUOTE=Ericson666;37105380]Well obviously Ukraine is changing its viewpoint[/QUOTE]
except you can't act in the present upon a law that will maybe exist in the future
[QUOTE=Ericson666;37105380]Well obviously Ukraine is changing its viewpoint[/QUOTE]
Or the US just bullied them into allowing it to be shut down.
if the DDoS attack is linked in anyway to the investigation I feel sorry for all those involved in that
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37105397]do the words "due process" mean anything to you[/QUOTE]
Yeah, point. I guess if they ha opened negotiations something could have been worked out
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37105353]I don't think this is really the US's doing, more like the Ukrainians trying to buddy up with them[/QUOTE]
Probably yeah, the Sinde-Wert law thing was basically Spain trying to lick USA's ass and get dirty money from obeying corrupt copyright protection associations' orders
[QUOTE=Jorori;37105420]Probably yeah, the Sinde-Wert law thing was basically Spain trying to lick USA's ass and get dirty money from obeying corrupt copyright protection associations' orders[/QUOTE]
Holy tinfoil hat batman.
Why should any government allow piracy? It doesn't benefit commerce or the government itself, there's only downsides.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;37105362]Yeah, they're impeding our right to free movies and games! Erm, Linux distros.[/QUOTE]
And this is a textbook case of opening your mouth knowing full well something retarded would come out and doing so anyway
The "legality" of this is debatable, but the state of ukraine acted without that debate just to appease a more powerful nation. If they wanted it down due to legal reasons they would have done it years ago, not at the time one of their heads of state went on a political visit to the US
Oh no now all these poor people will have to purchase things like everyone else does, what an atrocity!
The US has too much power over the internet. Someone ought to put a leash on it before it continues with this.
[QUOTE=Jorori;37105265]What are you doing, USA? Stop forcing every other country to act like you, you're not the owner of the world[/QUOTE]
Relevant:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5riUX0Gcmo[/media]
[QUOTE=Pig;37105479]Oh no now all these poor people will have to purchase things like everyone else does, what an atrocity![/QUOTE]
Getting rid of piracy is all well and good, the problem here is the manner in which it's being done. The way the US handled the MegaUpload fiasco was a fucking embarrassment to the country (and fully illegal), and this situation looks to be just as ugly from a different direction. I want my country to stop bulling other nations into doing what our government wants them to do, and if they are going to do something, I want them to do it LEGALLY, and properly.
[QUOTE=booster;37105484]The US has too much power over the internet. Someone ought to put a leash on it before it continues with this.[/QUOTE]
The only bad (which I use loosely) thing the US has done is try to stop piracy (an illegal act). If there was a legitimate issue where the US was censoring the internet across the world or something I could understand a need for concern but right now, nothing's really wrong.
[QUOTE=booster;37105484]The US has too much power over the internet. Someone ought to put a leash on it before it continues with this.[/QUOTE]
It would have been better if they gave power to the UN, you can't bribe your way through the UN. It's impossible because of all the rules and regulations.
I wish someone would host a big torrent website in my country so the big old mean US would force us to pay (even more) tribute to them by bending over and accepting laws against piracy.
Look, I pirate and everything, but I know what I'm doing is bad and that it ends with no money going to the devs/artists and that it's illegal. But there are people here that [I]don't[/I], because there's no laws against it here and everyone's apparently too goddamned lacking in common sense. When megaupload went down, whole websites were filled with comments about how it was their right to download software and music for free. Like it was a normal, legal thing. These are the same people who are reading half the story on everything and supporting Kim Dotcom and other assholes.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;37105559]Getting rid of piracy is all well and good, the problem here is the manner in which it's being done. The way the US handled the MegaUpload fiasco was a fucking embarrassment to the country (and fully illegal), and this situation looks to be just as ugly from a different direction. I want my country to stop bulling other nations into doing what our government wants them to do, and if they are going to do something, I want them to do it LEGALLY, and properly.[/QUOTE]
Alright, you put out a good argument. I can see what they did was wrong, since they didn't go to trial.
[QUOTE=Mr.T;37105599]It would have been better if they gave power to the UN, you can't bribe your way through the UN. It's impossible because of all the rules and regulations.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-un-wants-complete-control-over-the-internet-and-that-would-mean-unprecedented-censorship-taxes-and-surveillance.html[/url]
Yeah, no.
I like how nobody in the thread actually seems to have read the article. It was not terminated by US order. It was terminated because the government wanted a nice trophy to give to the US in light of concerns about their attitude towards copyright infringement. The US did NOT have a direct hand in facilitating this; it was the Ukrainian government.
[quote]
Ukraine had promised the United States that it would improve its attitude and efforts towards enforcing copyright and no doubt its Western partner will be very pleased indeed that Demonoid’s head has been presented on a platter.[/quote]
So, everyone who's been vigorously fapping as they fantasize some sinister American FBI agent pressing a big red button labelled "FUCK DA INTERNETZ, ARREST DEMONOIDZ, YO," you can put your dick back in your pants.
[QUOTE=PacificV2;37105667][url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-un-wants-complete-control-over-the-internet-and-that-would-mean-unprecedented-censorship-taxes-and-surveillance.html[/url]
Yeah, no.[/QUOTE]
are you actually using prisonplanet as a source
Oh, and by the way, you might want to change the heavily sensationalist thread title, OP.
Broken automerge, FFF
[QUOTE=Strongbad;37105683]I like how nobody in the thread actually seems to have read the article. It was not terminated by US order. It was terminated because the government wanted a nice trophy to give to the US in light of concerns about their attitude towards copyright infringement. The US did NOT have a direct hand in facilitating this; it was the Ukrainian government.
So, everyone who's been vigorously fapping as they fantasize some sinister American FBI agent pressing a big red button labelled "FUCK DA INTERNETZ, ARREST DEMONOIDZ, YO," you can put your dick back in your pants.[/QUOTE]
several people pointed this out
[QUOTE=Strongbad;37105683]I like how nobody in the thread actually seems to have read the article. It was not terminated by US order. It was terminated because the government wanted a nice trophy to give to the US in light of concerns about their attitude towards copyright infringement. The US did NOT have a direct hand in facilitating this; it was the Ukrainian government.
So, everyone who's been vigorously fapping as they fantasize some sinister American FBI agent pressing a big red button labelled "FUCK DA INTERNETZ, ARREST DEMONOIDZ, YO," you can put your dick back in your pants.[/QUOTE]
If the US weren't so up in arms about piracy perhaps Ukraine wouldn't have felt the need to try and suck up to them by getting rid of Demonoid.
[QUOTE=Ericson666;37105439]Why should any government allow piracy? It doesn't benefit commerce or the government itself, there's only downsides.[/QUOTE]
It can benefit commerce a lot. With piracy the relative number of paying customers plummets, but the absolute number rises. So you can end up with a case where without piracy you would have been 200 customers, 100% of them paying; and with piracy you get 200'000 customers with 2% of them paying - which means 2000 paying customers.
Piracy is a service problem first and for most, but it's multicausal. Sometimes people just don't have the money or aren't willing to buy it for a reasonable price ever. Those aren't lost customers as they would never have payed anyway. Sometimes people don't have a way to pay you because of national laws (same deal) or refuse to buy something immediately because their country has a retarded prices in international comparison (hello Australia). Many people use piracy the same way as Let's Plays, as an honest demo they wouldn't get otherwise. Or because they refuse to buy into DLC hell, DRM hell or some other bullshit they just don't want to deal with. In the latter case, it's a weak signal to pirate the game instead of buying of course since the publisher will think their service is great, it's just that people are assholes - but it's a source of piracy either way.
There's also people that will simply not buy something if they can get it for free, there's no denying that. But I will say that demographic is being weakened by the gaming communities that are full of dedicated fans, and dedicated fans buy their stuff out of love if nothing else. This alienation effect is only negligible once the majority of the community is made up from pirates, which probably is reflective of the quality of the product in question.
Anyway, I don't think piracy is the root of all evil. Copying stuff to MC and VHS has never cost people anything, renting stuff between friends has never cost people anything, and the industry still flourished. I will say however that the internet is becoming capable of cutting out the middleman between artists and consumers. It brings change to the system, and for people making the big money with the current system, it brings nothing but risks to lose their position.
[QUOTE=The fox;37105339]I wonder if they'll start going after its users now..[/QUOTE]
Doubt it, they can always see whose IPs are in the swarm, but aside from making scary examples every now and then, they realize it's more trouble than going after the root, the uploader.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37105353]I don't think this is really the US's doing, more like the Ukrainians trying to buddy up with them[/QUOTE]
That's still American influence playing into it tho, no?
[QUOTE=Lukeo;37105715]If the US weren't so up in arms about piracy perhaps Ukraine wouldn't have felt the need to try and suck up to them by getting rid of Demonoid.[/QUOTE]
This still doesn't mean the site was terminated by direct US order, like the thread title implies. As I said, they did not have a direct hand in causing this.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37105689]are you actually using prisonplanet as a source[/QUOTE]
They raise a good point prisonplanet or not. Do you really want china to mandate a global internet?
[QUOTE=Ericson666;37105439]Holy tinfoil hat batman.
Why should any government allow piracy? It doesn't benefit commerce or the government itself, there's only downsides.[/QUOTE]
actually no piracy is a massive driver of innovation
[QUOTE=Pig;37105563]The only bad (which I use loosely) thing the US has done is try to stop piracy (an illegal act). If there was a legitimate issue where the US was censoring the internet across the world or something I could understand a need for concern but right now, nothing's really wrong.[/QUOTE]
the problem is, the US is going about it all wrong. they're saying "don't pirate all this stuff or we're gonna be pissed" to a group that likes to annoy them as much as possible. all they're doing in focusing on piracy is making the pirates hate them even more, thus furthering the problem.
not to say that the US is really all that relevant as of now, beyond the way they've affected the Pakistani government.
Now I'll have to go to one of the 100,000 other torrent sites.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37105735]actually no piracy is a massive driver of innovation[/QUOTE]
Innovation in terms of annoying shit like DRM, yeah. How would piracy facilitate any positive innovation from developers? I'm genuinely curious about why you'd think that.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;37105770]Innovation in terms of annoying shit like DRM, yeah. How would piracy facilitate any positive innovation from developers? I'm genuinely curious about why you'd think that.[/QUOTE]
some people will pirate your product no matter what; this won't change anything.
others will pirate it because they feel the quality doesn't match the price, e.g. your game is just outright terrible, or maybe it's really buggy on release and people don't want to pay money for it until they know for sure they can run it in the first place
[QUOTE=Strongbad;37105770]Innovation in terms of annoying shit like DRM, yeah. How would piracy facilitate any positive innovation from developers? I'm genuinely curious about why you'd think that.[/QUOTE]I don't know but I think he said NO PIRACY.
Closing demonoid will do nothing though. Pirates aren't even mad. They just need to find a new tracker.
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