besides, we already know that weird/strict DRM just makes people want to pirate games instead of paying for them, because they actually get a better product through that channel
[QUOTE=Strongbad;37105770]Innovation in terms of annoying shit like DRM, yeah. How would piracy facilitate any positive innovation from developers? I'm genuinely curious about why you'd think that.[/QUOTE]
Might mean it in the sense that more people are likely to pirate Same Old Shit 27 as opposed to something new and interesting. I can see that to be somewhat true, but not 'massive' towards innovation.
Fuck you USA. Fuck you.
I hope media sales plummet to the ground.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;37105770]Innovation in terms of annoying shit like DRM, yeah. How would piracy facilitate any positive innovation from developers? I'm genuinely curious about why you'd think that.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't really thinking in terms of developers but if you really want it, look at Valve. Piracy forced them to come up with a third option that makes people actually want to buy their products without adding intrusive DRM.
I was thinking more about how it has spurred the development of privacy-shielding technologies, how it brought bittorrent as a mass distribution method into the mainstream, leading to stuff like magnet links.
you could have predicted this sort of thing from basic economics really. piracy gives the same product for cheaper than conventional methods, it's simple competition. companies have to find a way to do better, which benefits the consumer
[QUOTE=dass;37105826]Hey guys, I didn't read the thread! What's up in here?!!?!?!?!?!?![/QUOTE]
Fixed.
[QUOTE=The fox;37105339]I wonder if they'll start going after its users now..[/QUOTE]
I kind of doubt it since there was so many users, but it is a worrying thought.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37105848]piracy gives the same product for cheaper than conventional methods, it's simple competition. companies have to find a way to do better, which benefits the consumer[/QUOTE]
This is easier said than done. For video games, the inclusion of multiplayer is incentive to buy the actual game but for Movies, and software it's essentially impossible to innovate and give the consumer something they wouldn't get from the pirated version.
[QUOTE=Pig;37105925]This is easier said than done. For video games, the inclusion of multiplayer is incentive to buy the actual game but for Movies, and software it's essentially impossible to innovate and give the consumer something they wouldn't get from the pirated version.[/QUOTE]
Plenty of people buy movies from iTunes or Amazon because it's more convenient than using a torrent tracker, as for software you can rely on donations or sell customer support, or invent new methods of psychological warfare to guilt-trip people into forking over money (that applies to all companies).
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37105370]what part of "legal in ukraine" didn't you get[/QUOTE]
Well, this is just the start of an important legal issue, which is how the Internet can operate based on local jurisdiction despite having an inherently international structure.
For example, marijuana can be legally bought and consumed in Amsterdam. If you try to bring it into the US, where it is illegal, then Customs would enforce a seizure. The Internet, currently, allows legal actions to be taken in one country, but with no sort of filtering or screening to prevent the same action to be done in a country where it is illegal.
Put simply, the only viable governmental alternative to actively trying to shut down sites like what happened here would be to institute nation-wide network filtering. One way or another, the Internet is not going to stay like the Wild West forever. The only question is what form national restriction will take.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;37105336]Because piracy laws also exists in China. Torrents sites are blocked and things are taken pretty seriously.[/QUOTE]
Well dammit they need to make up their minds, they're prosecuting torrent hosts but there's no end in sight to these Rolllex watches.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;37105849]Fixed.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Ukraine had promised the United States that it would improve its attitude and efforts towards enforcing copyright and no doubt its Western partner will be very pleased indeed that Demonoid’s head has been presented on a platter.[/quote]
What part of the last copyright bullshit pushed by people in the US did you miss exactly?
[QUOTE=catbarf;37105987]Well, this is just the start of an important legal issue, which is how the Internet can operate based on local jurisdiction despite having an inherently international structure.
For example, marijuana can be legally bought and consumed in Amsterdam. If you try to bring it into the US, where it is illegal, then Customs would enforce a seizure. The Internet, currently, allows legal actions to be taken in one country, but with no sort of filtering or screening to prevent the same action to be done in a country where it is illegal.
Put simply, the only viable governmental alternative to actively trying to shut down sites like what happened here would be to institute nation-wide network filtering. One way or another, the Internet is not going to stay like the Wild West forever. The only question is what form national restriction will take.[/QUOTE]
uh it's not that hard
it's legal for someone in ukraine to host the torrent files (which let's not forget are just an MD5 hash + other data), it's illegal for someone in the USA to use that torrent file to download a copyrighted work. it's like how in sweden it's legal to be a prostitute but illegal to fuck one
And just a few days ago, [url=http://torrentfreak.com/filesonic-oron-and-their-users-hit-with-piracy-lawsuit-120730/]Oron and Filesonic were shut down[/url].
Filesonic died a long time ago after the whole Megaupload fiasco, but Oron... the amount of porn lost with their demise cannot even begin to be conceivably quantified.
These are dark times for the Internet.
[QUOTE=Pig;37105925]This is easier said than done. For video games, the inclusion of multiplayer is incentive to buy the actual game but for Movies, and software it's essentially impossible to innovate and give the consumer something they wouldn't get from the pirated version.[/QUOTE]
How about better prices instead of $40 for a single fucking movie?
I'm more concerned about the vast collections of diagnostic tools and installation discs exclusive to Demonoid that I can't get now.
Wonder if they're going to go after the end users of Demonoid?
[QUOTE=faze;37106094]Wonder if they're going to go after the end users of Demonoid?[/QUOTE]
Like I stated above, it's a worrying thought, but considering the amount of users and stuff here, I doubt it, but in a hopeful way.
Oh, yeah, this'll make you a bunch of heroes. All this has achieved is absolutely fucking nothing except even more hate from literally everybody but the RIAA and MPAA, and other companies bribing the US, and the fact that people are most likely going to pirate even more in protest.
Great going, shitheads.
[QUOTE=Pig;37105925]This is easier said than done. For video games, the inclusion of multiplayer is incentive to buy the actual game but for Movies, and software it's essentially impossible to innovate and give the consumer something they wouldn't get from the pirated version.[/QUOTE]
Dark Knight Rises sure has taken a huge dip in profits thanks to piracy I'm sure
oh wait
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37106026]uh it's not that hard
it's legal for someone in ukraine to host the torrent files (which let's not forget are just an MD5 hash + other data), it's illegal for someone in the USA to use that torrent file to download a copyrighted work. it's like how in sweden it's legal to be a prostitute but illegal to fuck one[/QUOTE]
I think you've missed the point. It's legal in the Netherlands to buy weed. It's illegal in the US to own it. Our government has an organization devoted to making sure stuff legal elsewhere but illegal here doesn't make it into the country, so if someone buys weed overseas they still can't have it in the US. There's a system in place, and it doesn't revolve around aggressively prosecuting sales in the Netherlands, but instead focuses on just making sure it can't get into the country.
The same thing is going to happen to the Internet, sooner or later, one way or another. This sort of aggressive defense is a knee-jerk response, but the Internet can't stay completely unregulated forever. If piracy is legal in Ukraine but not in the US, the response will eventually be not to pursue piracy in Ukraine, but rather to institute filtering of network traffic from Ukraine to make sure no torrent traffic gets through. Like it or not, it's inevitable.
As long as the pirate bay is up (which will be forever) piracy will never slow down.
I don't care about what specific website it is, but America needs to stop with the WORLD JUSTICE FORCE bollocks. Especially when their motives are corrupt as shit.
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;37106133]Like I stated above, it's a worrying thought, but considering the amount of users and stuff here, I doubt it, but in a hopeful way.[/QUOTE]
If anything they'll go after the people posting shit, not simply for downloading.
[QUOTE=catbarf;37106145]I think you've missed the point. It's legal in the Netherlands to buy weed. It's illegal in the US to own it. Our government has an organization devoted to making sure stuff legal elsewhere but illegal here doesn't make it into the country, so if someone buys weed overseas they still can't have it in the US. There's a system in place, and it doesn't revolve around aggressively prosecuting sales in the Netherlands, but instead focuses on just making sure it can't get into the country.
The same thing is going to happen to the Internet, sooner or later, one way or another. This sort of aggressive defense is a knee-jerk response, but the Internet can't stay completely unregulated forever.[/QUOTE]
it'll become more family-friendly on the face but there'll always be a persistent illegal or semi-legal underbelly. the wild west was tamed but there's still crime there
[QUOTE=Lukeo;37106138]Dark Knight Rises sure has taken a huge dip in profits thanks to piracy I'm sure
oh wait[/QUOTE]
Theaters provide a significantly different experience from what can be gained by torrenting. The impact sales is reflected in DVDs, rental services, and services like Netflix, for which piracy provides an equivalent experience at zero cost.
I have a feeling the same thing happened to the ever popular pornbay.org. Seriously, go look there for yourself.
[QUOTE=faze;37106171]If anything they'll go after the people posting shit, not simply for downloading.[/QUOTE]
More than likely that will be the case, thinking about it, there is a chance they could link the downloads to normal users, but considering the amount that just wanted the pirated material they probably won't do anything about it. But those users will definitely see this article and take it as a slap on the wrist. The users who uploaded on the site constantly however, they'll probably get charged. The best thing here is that no one here gets charged at all, but there will be something that will come out of this.
Guys, I'm sorry for the way my government is acting.
Love,
A pissed American
[QUOTE=VagueWisdom;37106207]More than likely that will be the case, thinking about it, there is a chance they could link the downloads to normal users, but considering the amount that just wanted the pirated material they probably won't do anything about it. But those users will definitely see this article and take it as a slap on the wrist. The users who uploaded on the site constantly however, they'll probably get charged. The best thing here is that no one here gets charged at all, but there will be something that will come out of this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah if they go after people who just download stuff, I would be even more surprised than I am about the site being shut down. Think of how overloaded the court system would be!
It would be too complex to even begin with, I'm sure it would be a field day, but realistically there's just no way they could sue so many people in one sitting.
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