[QUOTE=Strongbad;37108462]Yes, one of the largest, most powerful countries in the world is going to lose and 'end badly' to another country. This makes perfect sense and you are a very logical, intelligent, perceptive individual.[/QUOTE]
Russia.
[QUOTE=Pig;37105479]Oh no now all these poor people will have to purchase things like everyone else does, what an atrocity![/QUOTE]
Oh no, a bunch of ignorant people are just going to make baseless assumptions about "pirates" and post stupid things on the internet!
One of my friends has more money invested in Steam than I do (and I've got ~$2500 apparently) and he actually pirates a LOT of games. Turns out, studies prove he is not the exception, but the rule.
[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;37108084]Some people like to sample something before they purchase it. Digital resources are infinite, so nothing is being 'taken away' when someone pirates something, per say. Products may gain support from people who'd simply wished to sample them before hand, and those who download for keeps only take away from the company if they had payed the service for the download, (which isn't ever the case).
How government bodies and companies battle piracy is usually unethical and ineffective too, and some of those methods of negating it only screw over the consumer.
I'm just going to go against most people here and say that piracy isn't bad, and companies should only use it as a reason to better themselves. I've never bought a game or digital album with any sort of digital rights management, and I never will.[/QUOTE]
Despite a leak and rampant piracy, Terraria is just another example of a game that did well past all expectations. It is a long list, including games like Minecraft and pretty much any recent Bethesda game. Claiming piracy kills games is just short sighted non-sense. (Unless we're talking about Spore...)
Why don't people who support piracy start boycotting all films/movies/music/dvds/games/software etc until the government finally gets half a fucking clue.
I have a feeling this is what I'm doing starting now.
[QUOTE=Legend286;37109419]Russia.[/QUOTE]
Or China.
[editline]6th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ybbats;37109480]Why don't people who support piracy start boycotting all films/movies/music/dvds/games/software etc until the government finally gets half a fucking clue.
I have a feeling this is what I'm doing starting now.[/QUOTE]
Well, the Acta protests in Poland were pretty much that.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;37109480]Why don't people who support piracy start boycotting all films/movies/music/dvds/games/software etc until the government finally gets half a fucking clue.
I have a feeling this is what I'm doing starting now.[/QUOTE]
Because piracy is illegal and pirating stuff instead of buying them is a silly protest.
The day was shaping up really well with having landed on mars and Lil Wayne quitting music.
This made it pretty bad.
[QUOTE=Legend286;37105296]USA are gonna pick on the wrong country some day and it's going to end bad.
I can't wait.[/QUOTE]
uuuuh.. what? didn't quite catch that.
the USA's piracy laws.. are gonna get us involved in a physical war?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;37109581]Because piracy is illegal and pirating stuff instead of buying them is a silly protest.[/QUOTE]I didn't say pirating stuff though, I said boycotting.
[QUOTE=Aspen;37109690]uuuuh.. what? didn't quite catch that.
the USA's piracy laws.. are gonna get us involved in a physical war?[/QUOTE]
If they tried that whole lean-on-government-to-get-what-we-want shit on Russia they wouldn't succeed, so what about when it's something more serious and not stupid shit no-one should really care about like piracy.
[QUOTE=Legend286;37109708]If they tried that whole lean-on-government-to-get-what-we-want shit on Russia they wouldn't succeed, so what about when it's something more serious and not stupid shit no-one should really care about like piracy.[/QUOTE]
But whip out a wad of cash and russia is your bitch when it comes to piracy.
I've never downloaded anything on that site, but it sucks that the USA Government is such a dickhead.
Man that was my favorite torrent site, I didn't care much about megaupload being raided but now it's being taken too far :(
Nope we aren't a plutocracy at all.
Meh demonoid wasn't that great.
Wait a tick, what about TPB? That's still safe, yeah?
No offence americans, but it must feel really horrible when your government is fed with corrupt corporate funds so much that they'd be able to shit 100$ bills soon.
Have some hearts cause I really feel for you.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;37105336]Because piracy laws also exists in China. Torrents sites are blocked and things are taken pretty seriously.[/QUOTE]
Of course they win 90% of the time, when they are given the death sentence...
Radley's got a point. This is quickly getting out of hand. Corporations have much power in the United States, it's true. But when I hear that the NSA and FBI have been involved in the enforcement of something as trivial as copyright law, you're taking another step toward an oligarchic police state.
fuck this is bad
god damnit, there's good, legal shit on there
let the cyber wars begin.
LAND OF THE FREE LAND OF THE BRAVE
But they should move to somewhere in Siberia, its russia and putin disagrees with ACTA, and the servers will be cool :rolleyes:
damn it damn damn it
[QUOTE=Teddybeer;37109750]500 GB, I'm fucked right. You wouldn't be interesting as it has probably been years that your ISP wiped who used that around the time you last used it if you got a dynamic IP address or somehow got it changed.[/QUOTE]
Try 4TB of linux distros, I'm so... well relieved they're linux distros after all :v:
Since there's gonna be another lawsuit that's gonna be larger than usa's gdp from the last ten years combined that can never be paid by anyone anywhere they might as well sue the country the site's located in.
[QUOTE=SSBMX;37110346]Meh demonoid wasn't that great.[/QUOTE]
I don't like chocolate fbi plz reaid hershley.
Man this thread is terrible. It's debatably legal in Ukraine, so it's okay! Well so is having sex with a 13 year old in Japan. Ahem.
The US is not a big bully. It used political leverage to get what it wants. Welcome to government and geopolitics. You could bitch about the times the US has used its political leverage to keep dictators in power, but no, FP, you're going to cry when they shut down a torrent site. Classy.
Please, more FPers post about how you can't torrent things now and how your linux distros are forever lost and how piracy is actually a benefit to these struggling companies and how that's justification for only helping yourself and how piracy is not stealing, because nobody ever lost a sale to it.
[QUOTE=scout1;37113103]Man this thread is terrible. It's debatably legal in Ukraine, so it's okay! Well so is having sex with a 13 year old in Japan. Ahem.[/QUOTE]
We don't raid japan(the article isn't clear, was this fbi or local authorities pressured by the us?)
[QUOTE]The US is not a big bully. It used political leverage to get what it wants. Welcome to government and geopolitics.[/QUOTE]
Just like someone who is hunting isn't killing animals, right? Welcome to hunting.
[QUOTE]You could bitch about the times the US has used its political leverage to keep dictators in power, but no, FP, you're going to cry when they shut down a torrent site. Classy.[/QUOTE]
This is the news section, not the bitch about the past section.
[QUOTE]Please, more FPers post about how you can't torrent things now and how your linux distros are forever lost and how piracy is actually a benefit to these struggling companies and how that's justification for only helping yourself and how piracy is not stealing, because nobody ever lost a sale to it.[/QUOTE]
It's more like they're fucking with shit that's legal in the country it was done in. If you want to arrest someone at least make sure what you are arresting them for is illegal, or try to get their laws changed so it becomes illegal.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;37113246]We don't raid japan(the article isn't clear, was this fbi or local authorities pressured by the us?)
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Yeah, we lack leverage with the Japanese. We already handicap their armed forces, and they're pissed the bases we have in Okinawa, and we demand expeditions of them in asian security areas.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;37113246]
Just like someone who is hunting isn't killing animals, right? Welcome to hunting.
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I guess you saw my posts in the hunting thread, where I disapproved of someone hunting, which is definitely killing. See the difference between negotiations and dictations is that, well, one you both get to talk. The US would be a bully if they swooped into Ukraine tomorrow and forced their government to enact special taxes which they sent directly to the US. Or if they exploited the mineral wealth of the Ukraine, or if they in some way harmed the Ukraine. Ukraine was likely holding out for a better deal, as Eastern Europe has always taken a blasé approach to piracy.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;37113246]
This is the news section, not the bitch about the past section.
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No, but there is modern analogous activity that the average person tends to ignore. FP is largely ignorant of world politics, and berating the US as a bad guy for taken down what is a piracy site is silly, at best.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;37113246]
It's more like they're fucking with shit that's legal in the country it was done in. If you want to arrest someone at least make sure what you are arresting them for is illegal, or try to get their laws changed so it becomes illegal.[/QUOTE]
Actually it is illegal in the Ukraine. Here's some articles
[URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/01/us-ukraine-websites-idUSTRE8101GX20120201[/URL] Ukraine acting against "filesharing" websites.
[URL]http://www.crime-research.org/library/R.Gorbenko.htm[/URL] An older article about Ukrainian IP rights.
[URL]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/01/ukraine-agrees-to-crack-down-on-internet-music-piracy/[/URL] And ars technica, detailing past US-Ukrainian plans to stamp out piracy.
[QUOTE=scout1;37113103]...and how piracy is actually a benefit to these [b]struggling companies[/b]...[/QUOTE]
Yes, these struggling companies are indeed very poor :v:
Understand something, people who pirate will either:
1. Buy the product if they enjoy it.
2. Not buy it at all.
If 1. happens, piracy is actually helping the product seller as an advertisement medium, sure it's an illegal way of try before buy but still helps the company.
If 2. happens no sale is lost because the person who pirated was never going to buy it in the first place.
How do I know this?
It's simple really, people enjoy having first hand on everything, they enjoy shiny covers and collector editions, but they won't pay for something that is SHIT, that's why a lot of people download something before actually buying it, to see if it's good, if it isn't there's no point in buying it, you might argue that they still got entertainment from it without paying but what's so different than listening to music, playing a game or watching a movie that your friend has bought? If you enjoy it you leave your friend's house with your mind set on buying it for yourself.
There is only one way to stop piracy:
1. If every country stops fighting it, the more you try to stop something organic such as a pirate hive mind the more it fights back and the more it provokes you.
2. If products stop being overpriced (why should a digital album cost as much as a physical one when the costs of distributing an album through a digital medium is much less than that of retail? same applies to games, movies, etc.)
3. Make good products, and people will buy them.
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