I just want to make a comment to everyone talking about fuel prices not being bad in the UK 'cause of public transport etc.
It costs £5.80 for a single 12 minute journey on a train for me. That's $9.37 for 12 minutes of journey. Public transportation is fucking horrible aswell.
Not to mention the fact it's a 5 mile walk for me to get to any trainstation/bus stop. God I hate this country.
[QUOTE=Whittall;37855534]I just want to make a comment to everyone talking about fuel prices not being bad in the UK 'cause of public transport etc.
It costs £5.80 for a single 12 minute journey on a train for me. That's $9.37 for 12 minutes of journey. Public transportation is fucking horrible aswell.
Not to mention the fact it's a 5 mile walk for me to get to any trainstation/bus stop. God I hate this country.[/QUOTE]
Oh god - I was under the impression it's cheaper! I mean... A ticket here (tram, bus, trolley, underground - it works for everything) costs $0.60.
[QUOTE=Whittall;37855534]I just want to make a comment to everyone talking about fuel prices not being bad in the UK 'cause of public transport etc.
It costs £5.80 for a single 12 minute journey on a train for me. That's $9.37 for 12 minutes of journey. Public transportation is fucking horrible aswell.
Not to mention the fact it's a 5 mile walk for me to get to any trainstation/bus stop. God I hate this country.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, the public transport here is expensive as fuck, it's actually cheaper for me to drive to wherever I need to go while is fucking hilarious.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;37840495]You just can't win with this shit. In the summer it goes up because of travel, and in the winter it goes up because of travel/heating (natural gas and such). I remember when I first started driving my Bronco II I could fill the tank with $25. Now I'm lucky to do the same with $70.[/QUOTE]
I live in Denmark. I'm lucky if I can fill up my VW Polo for $100
[QUOTE=Stopper;37855797]Oh god - I was under the impression it's cheaper! I mean... A ticket here (tram, bus, trolley, underground - it works for everything) costs $0.60.[/QUOTE]
Transport is very expensive in the UK, I live in a city and a 2 mile bus ride that goes down just 1 road road costs £4/$6.50 return.
[QUOTE=Riller;37850706]Oh, I've also noticed, your gas is shit quality. It goes from like, 87 to 95 or so octane. Around here, it goes from 93-99 octane. Might explain shittier milage, I don't know. Just an observation when going to gas stations here.[/QUOTE]
Hurr what are octane ratings?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating[/url]
The US uses AKI octane ratings
Our lowest grade 85AKI is ~90RON
[QUOTE=its shortie;37840453]No shit. Gas is expensive as fuck. I spend 10 bucks a day driving to and from school/work.[/QUOTE]
Are they charging by the fluid ounce where you live? holy shit. :v:
It's around 10 dollars per gallon here.
*Sigh*
Luckily I don't have a car and I can easily use the bus which costs me 58€ a month. I walk around 30km weekly though (only counting home-bus, bus-work and repeat the other way), but it's worth it.
I hate how every thread we have this UK/USA argument over fuel prices. Here in the UK my Dad has to fill the car twice a week just in travelling to work and back. At £60+ a tank that means that AT LEAST £120 a week, or about £6000 a year just in petrol. Plenty of people do the same, and in quite a lot of cases literally a third of your wage goes towards just getting to/back from work. I'd say we're both equally fucked. American fuel costs less, but they have to drive more. In the end it balances out and we both get our fair share of shit.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;37846051]I usually drive ~250-300 miles per week for my commute between work, school, and errands. That's quite a bit.[/QUOTE]
Well I usually clock around 350-400km a week just getting into and from the city split between car, bus and similar depending on the need, so that's not that huge a difference. And I know huge swaths of people that commute over larger differences. And that's not counting distance travelled inside of the city, though that's usually by public tranport.
I usually get the impression with people from the US that they believe we all live square and center right inside the major cities. The truth is, a lot of us don't.
Not to mention if you're in the US, you're more likely to spend less on driving with your car, than I am driving around with public transport. So don't tell me how the fuel price differences are less severe than what a lot of us believe they are.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;37854885]And that's another thing our European comrades fail to understand: We in the States number roughly 350 million people, and most of those people aren't living in the bustling urban centers like New York or LA, but rather in the little podunk towns that are scattered across the nation. Here in New Mexico, we have roughly 2 million people in the entire state, and half of those people live in Albuquerque/Santa Fe. The rest? In small towns like mine, or even smaller (towns of < 2,000 are not uncommon here)[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, and all europeans live in huge cities as well right? Small old villages are totally uncommon on the old continent having been abandoned centuries ago. Yeah right.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_by_country[/url]
[QUOTE=Riller;37840814]And my point is, 7.7 dollars per gallon is a ridiculous price that just seems all the more stupid when we hear you guys whine when it reached 3 dollars per gallon. When looking at european prices, 3.5 dollars per gallon would be a bloody god-send, and seeing you people whimper about it is nearly offensive. I do see your point more clearly now you bring your low payrates in, too, despite how everything is about 20% cheaper. Doesn't make up for 40% lower pay, or whatever it is.[/QUOTE]
It's 5 bucks per gallon in California, and everything here is marked up compared to other states.
Also we have higher taxes, and everything.
You're all bitchin'...
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;37860795]It's 5 bucks per gallon in California, and everything here is marked up compared to other states.
Also we have higher taxes, and everything.
You're all bitchin'...[/QUOTE]
You also have the largest debt of any state.
[QUOTE=areolop;37860807]You also have the largest debt of any state.[/QUOTE]
It's also got the highest population and is one of the biggest states.
[QUOTE=Milkdairy;37860795]It's 5 bucks per gallon in California, and everything here is marked up compared to other states.
Also we have higher taxes, and everything.
You're all bitchin'...[/QUOTE]
Higher minimum wage
[QUOTE=ChaosUnleash;37860640]I hate how every thread we have this UK/USA argument over fuel prices. Here in the UK my Dad has to fill the car twice a week just in travelling to work and back. At £60+ a tank that means that AT LEAST £120 a week, or about £6000 a year just in petrol. Plenty of people do the same, and in quite a lot of cases literally a third of your wage goes towards just getting to/back from work. I'd say we're both equally fucked. American fuel costs less, but they have to drive more. In the end it balances out and we both get our fair share of shit.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Its not about who pays more, its the fact that prices have gotten this high in the first place. Besides, I can't honestly saying I'm hurting too much. Even at near minimum wage, I only spend maybe $80-100 on fuel a month at the current prices and I'm still technically a dependent. So I'm in no place to complain.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;37854885]And that's another thing our European comrades fail to understand: We in the States number roughly 350 million people, and most of those people aren't living in the bustling urban centers like New York or LA, but rather in the little podunk towns that are scattered across the nation. Here in New Mexico, we have roughly 2 million people in the entire state, and half of those people live in Albuquerque/Santa Fe. The rest? In small towns like mine, or even smaller (towns of < 2,000 are not uncommon here)[/QUOTE]
It actually isn't most, I was surprised to learn that last time I argued this in a thread. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States]Only 18% of Americans live outside of urban areas.[/url]
You sure as hell can't discount that many people, but it isn't the majority
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;37862516]It actually isn't most, I was surprised to learn that last time I argued this in a thread. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States]Only 18% of Americans live outside of urban areas.[/url]
You sure as hell can't discount that many people, but it isn't the majority[/QUOTE]That's really misleading because a good number of Americans still live in the Suburbs and Exurbs that can be miles and miles away from work with no form of worthwhile public transit to get there.
[QUOTE=Political Gamer;37862647]That's really misleading because a good number of Americans still live in the Suburbs and Exurbs that can be miles and miles away from work with no form of worthwhile public transit to get there.[/QUOTE]
And how different do you assume it's in well developed european countries? Depending on the nation you are in, you might be dealing with a pretty good railnetwork that will take you into the city, or a bus that goes once per hour if you're lucky and is expensive as hell.
[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_by_country[/URL]
So when you're stuck in a lot of European countries you tend to have to deal with - lower wages, more expensive gas, clothing, electronics. Just about the only thing that's on parity is food. Obviously, in a lot of European nations the average wage is higher, but in a lot it's far lower.
And then you have americans whining on about how their gas is soo expensive.
Converted it's 9.5 dollar per gallon in the Netherlands. Shit is expansive.
[QUOTE=sparky28000;37868846]Converted it's 9.5 dollar per gallon in the Netherlands. Shit is expansive.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_tax#Netherlands]And apparently the highest petrol taxes in the world. grats.[/url]
[QUOTE=sparky28000;37868846]Converted it's 9.5 dollar per gallon in the Netherlands. Shit is expansive.[/QUOTE]
Well in the UK we're paying $9.95 per gallon.
We win again!
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;37872486][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_tax#Netherlands]And apparently the highest petrol taxes in the world. grats.[/url][/QUOTE]
Isn't netherlands a very socialist state right now? That's probably why. Not that socialism is a bad thing; just a tad annoying in taxes.
(hope it's netherlands and not The netherlands or something weird like dutch netherlands)
[QUOTE=tdnoob;37856127]Transport is very expensive in the UK, I live in a city and a 2 mile bus ride that goes down just 1 road road costs £4/$6.50 return.[/QUOTE]
My bus which used only used to drive 2 miles cost £5 a trip while the 20 mile train journey to the bus only cost £15 for a return. Buying a decent bike (and getting a closer job) was a really good investment if you ignore the fact that 99% of the people driving want you underneath their wheels
[QUOTE=lifehole;37873662]Isn't netherlands a very socialist state right now? That's probably why. Not that socialism is a bad thing; just a tad annoying in taxes.
(hope it's netherlands and not The netherlands or something weird like dutch netherlands)[/QUOTE]
It indeed is the Netherlands but that's okay.
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