Obama agrees with Argentina on the Falkland islands.
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Indeed in my view the final say and only say should be from the Falkland islands. There is no need for the U.S to get involved.
The people who live there are all British anyway, they don't want to lose their citizenship.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;30623643]The Falkland Islanders get the final say who they want to be a part of.[/QUOTE]
If only it was that simple
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[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30622772]Dunno why the UK cares so much about a crappy island off the southern tip of Argentina.
Given it's proximity to Argentina, I'm going to have to say that Argentina should have it.[/QUOTE]
you're dumb
I think if there is a majority of people there who want to be separated from Britain then they should be allowed to.
Self-determination is what this country needs more off to get the Brits off them.
And Obama should be advocating their freedom and independence. Thats what we have always tried to be about. We allowed the Philippines to take their freedom even though now it is a poverty stricken country. We have territories like Guam and Puerto Rico but we don't take them on as states unless they want us. And if they REALLY didn't want us there then we would most likely pull out like in the Philippines.
basically, if we lived in a perfect world then America would advocate their choice of freedom if they so choose it. But if there isn't a large majority of people that want independence then they might as well stay apart of England.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30622772]Dunno why the UK cares so much about a crappy island off the southern tip of Argentina.
Given it's proximity to Argentina, I'm going to have to say that Argentina should have it.[/QUOTE]
Argentina has no real historical claim to the Island though, and it has a dedicated and semi-independant status, and a very seperate national identity.
I'm gonna say that Cuba should become part of the US, it's right next door after all. (That's how stupid the proximity idea is.)
The Kelpers should have the right to choose the future of their nation, and right now they want to remain with the UK. Argentina screwed any chance of a diplomatic settlement with the inhabitants of the Island when they invaded.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;30629975]I think if there is a majority of people there who want to be separated from Britain then they should be allowed to.
Self-determination is what this country needs more off to get the Brits off them.
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See, that's the thing. They've been offered full self-determination, they self-determined that they wanted to remain as part of the Commonwealth. They've been offered it several times.
Are you people even aware that they have their own government and their own currency? The nation isn't entirely british descended either, there are a mix of South American peoples there as well, and very few of them want to be part of Argentina.
Essentially, Obama is advocating what would be a hostile takeover of a small island nation (Even if no shots are fired, it would be seen as a hostile act by the Kelpers, who have lived there for Generations) just so he can stay friends with all the South American nations. I have to wonder if he's not just mouthing platitudes, or if he really knows what he's advocating would result in.
While the people on the islands want it to remain under UK governance then that's what it should be also doesn't the US have a bunch of pacific islands they took from the Japanese
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[QUOTE=cjone2;30630024]While the people on the islands want it to remain under UK governance then that's what it should be also doesn't the US have a bunch of pacific islands they took from the Japanese[/QUOTE]
yes during our Island Hopping Campaign during WWII when we made a push for Japan. But compared to all the islands in the Pacific it is a scarce amount.
The US also has bases all over the world. In England, Turkey, Italy, Germany, Austria, Japan, Korea ect. All of those places I have had friends go with their families to live for a few years.
We have bases in and around Japan because we serve as a defense for them and a base of operations to protect our interests in the Asian world (think back to the Spheres of Influence in China back in the 1800s, sorta like that). Its not like we control another country. though we don't allow Japan to have a large enough military other than to protect themselves. Same with Germany.
It's not about the piece of land, the people of the Island are British, have British accents, watch British TV and have lived on that Island for many many years. They do not want to be a part of Argentina, and never have.
I simply can't understand why Argentina want the Falklands.
[QUOTE=Flyboi;30630081]It's not about the piece of land, the people of the Island are British, have British accents, watch British TV and have lived on that Island for many many years. They do not want to be a part of Argentina, and never have.
I simply can't understand why Argentina want the Falklands.[/QUOTE]
oil?
Oh I get it now. I was a bit sketchy on this whole situation.
So basically the government of Argentina thinks they should own the Falklands because it is so close in proximity to Argentina? And previously Argentina and the UK had a war over them and the UK won?
Oh well then yeah, this makes sense now. If those people in the Falklands want to be apart of the UK then they should. Hell, its the same deal "kind of" with Hawaii after we annexed it in the Spanish-American war.
[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;30630145]Oh I get it now. I was a bit sketchy on this whole situation.
So basically the government of Argentina thinks they should own the Falklands because it is so close in proximity to Argentina? And previously Argentina and the UK had a war over them and the UK won?
Oh well then yeah, this makes sense now. If those people in the Falklands want to be apart of the UK then they should. Hell, its the same deal "kind of" with Hawaii after we annexed it in the Spanish-American war.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and the FI isn't even in their territorial waters, which makes the 'proximity' idea a case of grasping at straws.
Lately as well, Argentine Naval Vessels have been stopping fishing vessels (usually spanish, japanese or of other nations) exiting Falklands waters in their direction. Essentially attempting some strong arm tactics against the Nation and the trade it does.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;30622772]Dunno why the UK cares so much about a crappy island off the southern tip of Argentina.
Given it's proximity to Argentina, I'm going to have to say that Argentina should have it.[/QUOTE]
Because they are ours. I am sure every other country on the planet would say the same about any outlying territories they have. You don't hear people telling the Dutch to give up their islands in the Caribbean because they are no where near the Netherlands.
That aside, the people there want to remain British citizens anyway, which overall is more important than what anyone thinks.
It's British and it should stay that way. The 4 British people that know it exist would agree with you. The Falklands are British by choice, and hell, Falklands even sounds British.
[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;30630145]Oh I get it now. I was a bit sketchy on this whole situation.
So basically the government of Argentina thinks they should own the Falklands because it is so close in proximity to Argentina? And previously Argentina and the UK had a war over them and the UK won?
Oh well then yeah, this makes sense now. If those people in the Falklands want to be apart of the UK then they should. Hell, its the same deal "kind of" with Hawaii after we annexed it in the Spanish-American war.[/QUOTE]
wait are you british or american
Have a vote of all the people registered to be living on the islands. If they vote majorly in favour of Britain, we defend them like we defend our people on the mainland. Not that we have a navy capable of defending a rock in the English Channel, let alone an island cluster.
They'll have to prise our colonies from our cold dead hands.
Another useless fight over a useless piece of land.
[QUOTE=faze;30632502]Another useless fight over a useless piece of land.[/QUOTE]
it has oil
and british citizens
Some stupid fascist Argentinian wants to make a land grab.
Britain slaps him in the face for it.
The islands are small, wet and miserable. They must be part of Britain.
[QUOTE=Mr. Sun;30630145]Oh well then yeah, this makes sense now. If those people in the Falklands want to be apart of the UK then they should.[B] Hell, its the same deal "kind of" with Hawaii after we annexed it in the Spanish-American war.[/B][/QUOTE]
You're pretty bad at history aren't you?
Amazed at how nobody reads the article properly. Obama [b]isn't trying to give the islands to Argentina[/b], just that this can be sorted out once and for all via negotiation.
Jesus.
Whoever gave national pride to the British created a nation of morons.
They fought for it.
Argentina lost.
The end.
[QUOTE=Sir Tristan;30626605]The US is being damn hypocritical about this too
Americans, the people who were British and didn't want to be, who practically worshiped the ideals of liberty and freedom and the right to choose for themselves, are denying the right of Britons in the Falkland isles the right to choose for [B]THEM[/B]selves, the right to choose whether they will be British or not. Fuck Obama and his tyrannical hypocrisy[/QUOTE]
Who says the American people want this? The Administration does. Personally, I think it is solely up to the people who inhabit the island. They've said, time and again, they want to remain British. More power to em.
[QUOTE=Jon27;30632403]Have a vote of all the people registered to be living on the islands. If they vote majorly in favour of Britain, we defend them like we defend our people on the mainland. Not that we have a navy capable of defending a rock in the English Channel, let alone an island cluster.[/QUOTE]
They have and did vote for remaining British citizens.
I say if the Argie bastards try anything we return the favour of launching a fuckton of Exocets at them
It should stay ours. People died for it, you can't just hand it over.
I don't see why it should be given to Argentina?
Proximity to Argentina has nothing to do with it either. Heh, Cuba is pretty close to America. I SAY CUBA IS NOW AMERICAN!!
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