Conservative Americans Protest Enviromental Regulations in a Reasonable Way
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[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45311961]Except this example is a piss poor one.
The people who are "rolling coal" are doing it in states that do not have emissions standards, nor do they have safety inspections.
You literally can't tell them what to do because they don't have laws against what they're doing.
And they don't have laws against it because the people have elected to not bother with the associated bullshit with emissions and clean air laws.[/QUOTE]
So put in emission standards then. That's what they should have. Having a lack of them is a bad thing. It may seem like it's just a community issue, but it isn't.
I can't stand the idea that emissions don't effect everyone. They do. Your effect, all of our effects effect everyone so we should take that into account when we do things.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45311963]Creating smokescreens on the road is a hazard. This isn't mario kart, you aren't allowed to fuck with the people behind you while driving.[/QUOTE]
The stuff coming out of tailpipes, sure. The chimneys don't obstruct anything.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45312009][url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF_8t94MgpM]Yes they do[/url][/QUOTE]
nvm
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45311614]And you have no right to tell others how to live or what to do.
[b]Also, if we have no right to ruin an environment that we do not own, we have no right to expand cities, build houses, or anything else that involves cutting down trees, destroying wildlife, or any modification of mother nature.[/b] So if you want to run down that path, you better be pretty knowledgeable on living off of the land in nothing but a leaf to cover your private areas.[/QUOTE]
Every single one of those things you mentioned has regulations in place that tell you what you can and can't do. You need permits and reforestation plans if you want to start logging, your house has to be built to code that includes insulation and energy efficiency standards, hunting requires a license to prevent overhunting, etc.
Emissions regulations for vehicles are perfectly in line with all of this.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;45311995]The stuff coming out of tailpipes, sure. The chimneys don't obstruct anything.[/QUOTE]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF_8t94MgpM]Yes they do[/url]
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45311865]Except the added power output serves a purpose. But once again, "serving a purpose" wasn't the argument. The argument was that we don't have a right to harm an environment that we don't own. So either we don't have that right and we can go back to the stone age, or we can realize that that's a stupid thing to say and isn't true.[/QUOTE]
Except not at all what I was saying.
I would like you to understand this idea. Your emissions can effect me, where I am, without you having to drive all the way to my house and blow smoke in my face. Such was the crisis of the leaded gasoline years. Is it a right of yours to destroy the environment without an actual effective purpose like resource harvesting has? Do you have the right to destroy the environment just because you please?
Do you think climate change is non existent?
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[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45312007]Then convince the people of that state to implement them, and the associated bullshit that goes along with them.
Ultimately the government has as much power as the people give it.[/QUOTE]
it should be federally mandated if it isn't already.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;45311995]The stuff coming out of tailpipes, sure. The chimneys don't obstruct anything.[/QUOTE]
The stacks still cause a smoke screen effect on the road. Imagine having to drive through this at 40mph in traffic.
[img]http://bikefag.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/dieselsmoke1.jpg?w=600&h=450[/img]
It is absolutely, undoubtedly a hazard to other motorists.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45312032]They have federal mandates vehicles being manufactured/imported. Once the consumer has it it's up to the individual states as to what they can and cant do.
Why should it be federally mandated? States have every right to make laws that meet their unique situation. Why should a rural state like Iowa have the same laws as a metropolitan state like California?[/QUOTE]
Oh, is Iowa not part of the ecosystem? Shit, I didn't know that
It's like his quotes are straight out of a South Park episode and I'm not even liberal.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45311961]Except this example is a piss poor one.
The people who are "rolling coal" are doing it in states that do not have emissions standards, nor do they have safety inspections.
You literally can't tell them what to do because they don't have laws against what they're doing.
And they don't have laws against it because the people have elected to not bother with the associated bullshit with emissions and clean air laws.[/QUOTE]
So if shitting in a drinking fountain were legal you'd be totally fine with people doing it, regardless of wether or not you drank from such fountains?
Being a massive cunt is being a massive cunt, wether or not it's legal.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45312059]California has emissions laws because of traffic hell holes like LA, where everyone drives. You could take the city of San Diego's drivers and that would equal the amount of drivers in Iowa; so I ask again, Why should a rural state have the same laws as a metropolitan state? They don't suffer the problems that California has, and wouldn't make enough money from title fees to cover smogging and "clean air" blends of fuel.[/QUOTE]
regardless, regulations should be in place.
Do you not get the concept of an eco system? Do you not think that the actions of one area will influence another? Is every states borders some kind of eco shield that keeps that shit inside their borders?
I ask again, is iowa not part of the ecosystem?
Should leaded gasoline be allowed if it's cheaper, easier, and works fine at what it does in areas that say they want it? Yes or no.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45312059]California has emissions laws because of traffic hell holes like LA, where everyone drives. You could take the city of San Diego's drivers and that would equal the amount of drivers in Iowa; so I ask again, Why should a rural state have the same laws as a metropolitan state?[/quote]
So they DON'T end up like California?
[quote]The problem is that rural states simply don't have the money to implement the rules that California does. California gets away with it because their driving population is fucking massive.[/QUOTE]
"Well this sure is a shitty thing that's happening and it sure is damaging to the environment but we're poor so oh well."
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[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45312078]Yes, but if being a massive cunt isn't against the law, then all of the "man that's bullshit" in the world isn't going to stop people from being a massive cunt.[/QUOTE]
For fuck's sake, just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. That's the entire fucking point of this argument.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45312078]Yes, but if being a massive cunt isn't against the law, then all of the "man that's bullshit" in the world isn't going to stop people from being a massive cunt.[/QUOTE]At least until people get sick and tired of the vigilante justice and having to deal with fountain shitters with broken jaws.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45312125]Except with modern technology, leaded fuels aren't cheaper, nor are they as efficient. Fun fact, tetraethyllead, the compound in "leaded fuels" was used as an octane booster, and is still in use in aviation fuels. Funny thing is, it wasn't just banned because it was neurotoxic, it was banned because it damaged engines, and was more expensive than ethanol. And even though it's banned in road use, it's still used in aviation fuels and some equipment fuels.
Iowa is part of the eco system, yet magically doesn't suffer from the same issues that California does, dispite having no emissions laws what so ever, wonder why that is? Maybe because there are less pollution sources, and the pollution that is made is diffused through the atmosphere.[/QUOTE]
And I'm going to tell you right now that regardless of how it looks "Now", it's having effects on the future.
and yes I know that about leaded gasoline. I'm asking a hypothetical. if it was better, would you suggest it's use to be fine in areas that wanted it
[QUOTE=TestECull;45311915]
While I feel the same way about coal rollers as you do, vandalizing their trucks over it is just as stupid as rolling coal is to begin with.[/QUOTE]
just consider regular paint touch-ups to cover up ejaculating penises keyed onto the driver's side door as an additional cost to do this thing, on top of equipment and fuel costs. might convince a few of these assholes that billowing plumes of exhaust into the atmosphere out of pure, inchoate spite is out of their price range
'small cars are for liberals' this reads like a satire lol. some people are so fucked in the head 'rolling coal' lmao
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45311967]Uh, what?
Do you think that we should be using leaded gasoline, yes or no
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Hell, just answer this already bud[/QUOTE]
No, I don't. I never said that rolling coal was ok either.
But I'm smart enough to know that they won't be doing it for long because all of that black smoke is basically them burning money. It's not sustainable for their wallets. There's no need to "regulate" "rolling coal" because they are going to grow out of it soon. It's just a childish phase. Banning or regulating it would only serve to fuel their fire and keep them doing it longer than they would have.
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[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45312157]just consider regular paint touch-ups to cover up ejaculating penises keyed onto the driver's side door as an additional cost to do this thing, on top of equipment and fuel costs. might convince a few of these assholes that billowing plumes of exhaust into the atmosphere out of pure, inchoate spite is out of their price range[/QUOTE]
Except vandalism is covered under auto insurance. Just ask Cubeman....
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45312184]No, I don't. I never said that rolling coal was ok either.
But I'm smart enough to know that they won't be doing it for long because all of that black smoke is basically them burning money. It's not sustainable for their wallets. There's no need to "regulate" "rolling coal" because they are going to grow out of it soon. It's just a childish phase. Banning or regulating it would only serve to fuel their fire and keep them doing it longer than they would have.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, just like tagging walls, we just gotta wait for those snot-nosed thugs to grow out of it is all!
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45312184]
Except vandalism is covered under auto insurance. Just ask Cubeman....[/QUOTE]
They still gotta drive around with that shit for a day or two.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;45312175]If the area wishes to use it then it'd be fine, so long as they were aware of the side effects; the surrounding areas would be free to pull over and heavily fine those who left the area that was cool with leaded fuels. Of course this is purely hypothetical.[/QUOTE]
So you really don't get the concept of an Eco system eh?
If they did that and made surrounding areas suffer their actions, is that fine?
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;45312199]Yeah, just like tagging walls, we just gotta wait for those snot-nosed thugs to grow out of it is all![/QUOTE]
Yeah, because everyone can afford a few hundred dollars in wasted fuel every month as opposed to like $50 in spray paint. You're right, same thing here completely...
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45312225]They still gotta drive around with that shit for a day or two.[/QUOTE]
All you're doing is increasing your chances of going to jail for vandalism. Also, you're farther intrenching them into their mentality by validating their choice in "rolling coal".
For conservatives, they sure ain't so conservative about the environment.
Why do redniecks hate the prius so much, it's just a car. It's not like it's a Fiat Multipla or anything.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45312281]Why do redniecks hate the prius so much, it's just a car. It's not like it's a Fiat Multipla or anything.[/QUOTE]
Car culture. Car masculinity = dick size.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45312287]Car culture. Car masculinity = dick size.[/QUOTE]
You got it wrong man. Car masculinity = more women.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45312251]Yeah, because everyone can afford a few hundred dollars in wasted fuel every month as opposed to like $50 in spray paint. You're right, same thing here completely...
All you're doing is increasing your chances of going to jail for vandalism. Also, you're farther intrenching them into their mentality by validating their choice in "rolling coal".[/QUOTE]
It's not about money, it's about trends. Trends catch on. Just as something becomes old for the previous generation, some new breed of cunts will see it and go "WOWZERS LIEK TOTES KUL!" and do it themselves.
All I can imagine is someone at night tampering with some redneck asshole's truck so all the smoke comes out of the AC :v:
[QUOTE=Mr. Jelly;45312351]All I can imagine is someone at night tampering with some redneck asshole's truck so all the smoke comes out of the AC :v:[/QUOTE]
It'd be far easier to jam the smoke stack and cause a mini-bomb to go off do to over-pressure.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;45312325]It's not about money, it's about trends. Trends catch on. Just as something becomes old for the previous generation, some new breed of cunts will see it and go "WOWZERS LIEK TOTES KUL!" and do it themselves.[/QUOTE]
And just like bell bottom pants and platform shoes and every other trend, it will go out of style and the people who did it will look like huge dorks.
It will have laws against it for creating a traffic hazard. There's no stopping that. But getting worked up over something that's just a fad is pointless.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;45312403]And just like bell bottom pants and platform shoes and every other trend, it will go out of style and the people who did it will look like huge dorks.
It will have laws against it for creating a traffic hazard. There's no stopping that. But getting worked up over something that's just a fad is pointless.[/QUOTE]
That's right, it's okay to let something bad and harmful continue happening if it will stop eventually. You just have to wait a few years. Or 10. Or 15. Or 20. or however
but it'll stop on its own eventually so it's fine to let it happen for now
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