• Greek referendum was pointless and puts country in worse position.
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[QUOTE=Mechanical43;48142385]it's funny how I hear the same shit from people over here in canada, the us and france and in the uk and probably most of the first world countries mind you. public sector too big, too much job security, overpaid worker I mean check, check, check and check they're all there. same goes for your woes on university and tradeschool.. everything the same. that's neoliberalism for you though. [B]edit: [/B] that too, heard it here also[/QUOTE] Job security and "overpaid worker" is a bad thing? Bro. Do you even work?
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;48142470]Job security and "overpaid worker" is a bad thing? Bro. Do you even work?[/QUOTE] i was talking about the public sector, like he was
The only lesson anybody can get from this is don't lend money to Greece lol
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;48142486]i was talking about the public sector, like he was[/QUOTE] Whats wrong with the public sector and why shouldnt we strive for all workers to have job security and reasonable pay? You live in canada. You owe your free healthcare to public sector workers. Road maintenance public sector. What are the benefits of privatisation? In lots of cases it ends up with the government directly subsidizing the private company anyway, then any profits go into the pocket of some rich asshole in a different country who finds a loophole to pay no taxes anyway. If it could be profitable then pay some expert to help optimise it, that profit should stay in the country returning to the tax payer who helped make it what it is. Privatisation never gets the tax payer a fair price. Eg Royal mail in the UK, under sold by several billion when it was privatised. That is several billion pounds which could and should have gone back to the tax payer to support healthcare etc. To make it worse the royal mail was profitable, it was making money for the government. In Ukraine 2005 state assets valued at 1 billion were privatised for a mere 80 million. Its a disgrace. It doesn't benefit the people. Train companies in the UK, rail increase more per year than wages. Most rail companies are HEAVILY subsidised by the british government yet still manage to keep their profits to send to offshore accounts. Gas and electricity in the UK, again the tax payer is fleeced every year by rising prices. Customer value for money is an outright lie which people like you buy over and over again. So whats next? Quality of service? The Hinchingbrooke Hospital in the UK was recently privatised to improve patient care and drive down costs. Utter failure. (probably shouldnt have started on privatisation of healthcare) Hmm so whats left? competition? lol Meh frankly people like you are idiots. I hope future generations don't fall for the same shameful rhetoric you have. edit: I seem to have misunderstood, I'll leave the message so people can see what I put but know that I retract the part about it being you.
i, clearly, didn't convey my message like i wanted too. i'm not for austerity measures
[QUOTE=proch;48142495]The only lesson anybody can get from this is don't lend money to Greece lol[/QUOTE] That's probably exactly what the other Euro countries are going to take away from this. I know most of Germany is and it's going to affect Greece more negatively than if all the antagonising hadn't happened. I also think that both FlashMarsh and AlienCreature have good points here, and a combination of them is likely what Merkel, Die Grünen and the SPD were trying to achieve from the German side of things, up until the referendum happened which caused the SPD to reconsider their position and left Merkel without much room for arbitration regarding her own CDU/CSU. At this point I'm fairly certain Greece is going to crash, unless the government shifts their position by a large margin. It's going to be really ugly for everyone (politically and financially), but I think at this point there unfortunately already isn't that much more left to break internationally.
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;48142616]i, clearly, didn't convey my message like i wanted too. i'm not for austerity measures[/QUOTE] Ah apologies, I get carried away with this stuff.
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;48142616]i, clearly, didn't convey my message like i wanted too. i'm not for austerity measures[/QUOTE] It probably would help a lot if you used quotes of [quote]some form[/quote] or "other" to present a view you don't agree with.
[QUOTE=AlienCreature;48142047]Leaving the Euro would destroy us because we import EVERYTHING. Thanks to the actions of the left (mostly the radical left) and the unions, our industry (even our farming sector) was downsized and most of our companies were chased out of the country (high taxation, a broken health insurance system, etc). It's also false that the Euro hurt our exports: they doubled after we adopted it. And to be frank, basing the economy of an entire country on tourism is a retarded idea, and whoever had it was a moron. The results of it will become apparent this summer: travel agencies are already recording mass cancellations since the referendum was announced. ...Greece? Decentralized? I would say it's the opposite, the government is so controlling and tries to gets its dirty fingers in every pie it can find, that it forces the private sector into shrinking. We have huge corruption issues that start at the stem (we aren't talking about low-level officials, we are talking about ministers). Tax collection is a problem both because the system for collecting taxes is absurdly complicated and yet inefficient, we have stupid stuff such as "proof of income" (having a car, for example, means that you make above a certain income even if you are unemployed) and the tax collectors are corrupt pieces of shit that bully businesses into paying them bribes. The taxes are also outrageous (they had been before austerity, it's nothing new over here).[/QUOTE] Not to mention the mountain of tax evasion, corrupt politicians, etc.. Your country's government just needs a good kick in the dick to straighten it out. Maybe two. Unfortunately that means years of suffering for millions of citizens that don't deserve it as well because I doubt the government is going to go willingly.
I think what we need to do is what we did to Germany plus reconstruct their system and watch every move their potliticans do. Because we all know they will never be able to pay this off and if we can get their economy back sooner that would be great.
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