Governor Jindal of Louisiana says GOP must stop being "Stupid Party" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39362475]Yes its pretty good You're much less likely to die from AIDS here than in Uganda, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]And? What does that change?

The US healthcare system is good, if you're rich, [I]maybe[/I] insured. If you're not? Fuck off and die (literally).

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;39362818]The US healthcare system is good, if you're rich, [I]maybe[/I] insured. If you're not? Fuck off and die (literally).[/QUOTE] A hospital is not legaly allowed to turn you away for treatment regardless of your inablity to pay. It was mandated under a law during the Reagan administration.

I don't like Bobby Jindal at all. I'm a state employee in Louisiana, and he cut off all raises for state workers years ago. I mean, if I stay a correction sergeant for the next 10 years, I'll still be making the same amount of money that I am now. Unless whoever comes after Jindal reinstates yearly state employee incentive raises.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39362861]A hospital is not legaly allowed to turn you away for treatment regardless of your inablity to pay. It was mandated under a law during the Reagan administration.[/QUOTE] They have to treat people who come into the emergency room, yeah. But if you have an illness and need medication to survive, you get no help.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39362861]A hospital is not legaly allowed to turn you away for treatment regardless of your inablity to pay. It was mandated under a law during the Reagan administration.[/QUOTE] They can turn you away if your illness does not fall under the legally mandated definition of "emergency medical condition". All the hospital has to do is stabilize our condition. Even relatively minor conditions such as fever aren't covered. Someguy is completely right though, healthcare in the US in terms of quality is quite good. We are inched out by other nations in some categories, and we are #1 in others. The problem is for this relative equality the average American pays twice as much. [editline]26th January 2013[/editline] Some hospitals will treat non-emergency injuries or illness but have to do it out of pocket. There is no legal stipulation for them to do so, and with healthcare costs rising annually they will more often than not refer you to a personal physician (which we all know everyone has, right?) or a clinic.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39362475]Yes its pretty good You're much less likely to die from AIDS here than in Uganda, that's for sure.[/QUOTE] its not good, i should know because i have seen first hand how nasty and expensive hospitals are. I lost my grandfather due to shitty knee surgery with it having to be redone 2 times (it was right the first time, but since they didnt put a washer in a screw, it was slightly set incorrectly). the last time he ended up getting MRSA from the hospital because they didnt give him any antibiotics after said surgeries, and it ended up killing him due to it spreading to his organs. Our health care looks like a fucking joke because at the end of the day, they dont give a shit about you. they just want your money. the final bill after my grandfather being in the hospital due to their fuck up is well over $80K. [editline]26th January 2013[/editline] also gg comparing uganda to the US

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39362475]Yes its pretty good You're much less likely to die from AIDS here than in Uganda, that's for sure.[/QUOTE] The US is pretty much at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to healthcare, compared to other first world countries. And Uganda is frankly a shithole with a corrupt government and lots of tribe leaders all duking it out on the battlefield. You're literally comparing the US health system to the lowest denominator on this planet.

Universal health care seems to work out pretty well here in Denmark. I don't know why you'd be against it.

[QUOTE=Van-man;39364763]The US is pretty much at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to healthcare, compared to other first world countries.[/QUOTE] Depends in what area. There are some areas in which the US leads, such as survival time with incurable cancer. [editline]26th January 2013[/editline] The US is quite often at the forefront in terms of technology and advancements, but it lacks behind in overall treatment of the population.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39357882]Its not a right, its a privilege. And while I do think that the system could use some tweaking, I don't think we really need to get the government involved in it. Besides, all that money we COULD be using on social issues is going towards gun control Gj america[/QUOTE] You don't believe that the government should ensure adequate healthcare for all the citizens under it's care? [img]http://bamfbackgrounds.com/upload/7ilbs39slr-jordan_ooh_face.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39364795]Universal health care seems to work out pretty well here in Denmark. I don't know why you'd be against it.[/QUOTE] Im not against it, its just not the biggest priority for me atm [editline]26th January 2013[/editline] Why do I have to get so much shit for this

As I sit here, reading this little debate about health care, sick with the flu, it boggles me how somebody can say that living isn't as important as fucking guns. I live in the south end of Alabama, in bumfuck nowhere. My household's annual earnings are 15.5k before taxes are taken out. Three people live here: my mother, my sister, and me. My mother works at Walmart, while I am unemployed simply because I have no transportation, which I don't have because we have no money. If me or my sister get sick(mother's got insurance from job), how in the ever-living fuck are we gonna pay that shit off? It boggles my mind to think that somebody, somewhere, thinks that shooting shit with guns is a more important thing than making sure some people have adequate fucking healthcare. geez

[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1242719[/url] Oh man, guess they didn't listen to Jindal. [sp]Literally, "stupid party"[/sp]

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39367812]Im not against it, its just not the biggest priority for me atm [editline]26th January 2013[/editline] Why do I have to get so much shit for this[/QUOTE] It'd be a bigger priority if you knew someone who was denying and was denied medical care. If not, then you're just heartless and there's no point in arguing.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39367812]Im not against it, its just not the biggest priority for me atm [editline]26th January 2013[/editline] Why do I have to get so much shit for this[/QUOTE] Because health care shouldn't depend on whether or not you paid for some bullshit insurance, you're not fucking playing for peanuts, if you turn someone away for a lack of health insurance they could die. That's not a good system, that is literally the hallmark of a shit health care system.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39367812]Why do I have to get so much shit for this[/QUOTE] Well if you can't figure that out by yourself, then expect lots of tough love until you do.

I'm not saying living is less important than guns Jeez

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39368831]I'm not saying living is less important than guns Jeez[/QUOTE] But you did by claiming universal healthcare is less important than gun rights.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39367812]Im not against it, its just not the biggest priority for me atm [editline]26th January 2013[/editline] Why do I have to get so much shit for this[/QUOTE] honestly, who cares if it isn't your top priority? this isn't reflective of the needs of people who are disadvantaged

[QUOTE=Van-man;39368888]But you did by claiming universal healthcare is less important than gun rights.[/QUOTE] Nope. Try again. Living =/= universal healthcare

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39369591]Nope. Try again. Living =/= universal healthcare[/QUOTE] I'll be waiting for you in the 21st century.

[QUOTE=Van-man;39369605]I'll be waiting for you in the 21st century.[/QUOTE] Oh, hey Van-Man, I got here as soon as I could.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39369688]Oh, hey Van-Man, I got here as soon as I could.[/QUOTE] Then why the hell are your priorities straight out of the 18th century?

[QUOTE=Van-man;39369782]Then why the hell are your priorities straight out of the 18th century?[/QUOTE] If it were the 18th century health care would be my priority... Because 1. healthcare ACTUALLY sucked back then and 2. there weren't many people making bullshit bans to solve the wrong problems

i am ashamed of our governor and the fact that my parents voted for him

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39374878]If it were the 18th century health care would be my priority... Because 1. healthcare ACTUALLY sucked back then and 2. there weren't many people making bullshit bans to solve the wrong problems[/QUOTE] Healthcare ACTUALLY sucks now. Either you have lots of money and pay out of pocket, or relatively less and buy insurance. Without either, you're fucked if you get sick. Medical costs are so high that they [URL="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2009/db2009064_666715.htm"]account for 62% of US bankruptcies[/URL]. In fact the current system is trapped in a cycle of runaway costs: people cannot afford preventative care (like doctor visits) and thus only go to the emergency room (the only place that will take them) when they are in critical condition. This leads to things getting out of hand because people delay going to get treated knowing that it'll cost them, which in turn makes their problems worse as they are left untreated longer and longer. In some cases. this reluctance even leads to preventable deaths from easily treatable things. As medical costs go up, people get poorer (hello recession and growing income inequality), and population grows, these issues will only be exaggerated and place greater strain on the US healthcare system. Honestly the problem is huge, complex, and extends beyond these few issues and I hear a lot about it with both parents as doctors. In the end to say that "Living =/= universal healthcare" is just semantics. People die from lack of healthcare, that's why there's something called a preventable death rate, and surprise surprise! the [URL="http://www.commonwealthfund.org/News/News-Releases/2012/Aug/Potentially-Preventable-Deaths.aspx"]US ranks poorly[/URL]. Make no mistake, people ARE dying because we do not have socialized healthcare, and the problem with healthcare in this country has knock on effects like higher rates of obesity, mental illness, and[URL="http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/baicker-health-care-costs-wages/"] lower wages[/URL] among other things. Honestly, your willfull ignorance (Those damn socialist entitled hippies and their communist healthcare!) on the issue in favor of " MA GUNZ :tinfoil:" is disgusting. The issue of gun control is completely unrelated, and in any case your ability to own an assault rifle frankly ranks below the right of others to "[B]Life[/B], Liberty, and Happiness".

[QUOTE=The Letter Q;39375241]Healthcare ACTUALLY sucks now. Either you have lots of money and pay out of pocket, or relatively less and buy insurance. Without either, you're fucked if you get sick. Medical costs are so high that they [URL="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2009/db2009064_666715.htm"]account for 62% of US bankruptcies[/URL]. In fact the current system is trapped in a cycle of runaway costs: people cannot afford preventative care (like doctor visits) and thus only go to the emergency room (the only place that will take them) when they are in critical condition. This leads to things getting out of hand because people delay going to get treated knowing that it'll cost them, which in turn makes their problems worse as they are left untreated longer and longer. In some cases. this reluctance even leads to preventable deaths from easily treatable things. As medical costs go up, people get poorer (hello recession and growing income inequality), and population grows, these issues will only be exaggerated and place greater strain on the US healthcare system. Honestly the problem is huge, complex, and extends beyond these few issues and I hear a lot about it with both parents as doctors. In the end to say that "Living =/= universal healthcare" is just semantics. People die from lack of healthcare, that's why there's something called a preventable death rate, and surprise surprise! the [URL="http://www.commonwealthfund.org/News/News-Releases/2012/Aug/Potentially-Preventable-Deaths.aspx"]US ranks poorly[/URL]. Make no mistake, people ARE dying because we do not have socialized healthcare, and the problem with healthcare in this country has knock on effects like higher rates of obesity, mental illness, and[URL="http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/baicker-health-care-costs-wages/"] lower wages[/URL] among other things. Honestly, your willfull ignorance (Those damn socialist entitled hippies and their communist healthcare!) on the issue in favor of " MA GUNZ :tinfoil:" is disgusting. The issue of gun control is completely unrelated, and in any case your ability to own an assault rifle frankly ranks below the right of others to "[B]Life[/B], Liberty, and Happiness".[/QUOTE] Oh look, another person who thinks citizens are allowed to buy assault rifles All ignorance aside this isn't about "Magunz" and you stereotyping me does not really make me want to listen to you. Yes I get your point. Yes, our healthcare system could be better. But all this money and time people are wasting on pushing gun control... Don't you think that could go to more important things that actually WILL save lives like Healthcare? I think I explained this before but didn't elaborate on it. As a matter of fact I recall Micheal Bloomberg saying he will donate the bulk of his inheritance to lobby stricter gun control. Why not put that towards lobbying better healthcare? I don't oppose gun control just because I want to buy "assault weapons" in the future, I also oppose it because it'll be wasted effort.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39378596]Oh look, another person who thinks citizens are allowed to buy assault rifles All ignorance aside this isn't about "Magunz" and you stereotyping me does not really make me want to listen to you. Yes I get your point. Yes, our healthcare system could be better. But all this money and time people are wasting on pushing gun control... Don't you think that could go to more important things that actually WILL save lives like Healthcare? I think I explained this before but didn't elaborate on it. As a matter of fact I recall Micheal Bloomberg saying he will donate the bulk of his inheritance to lobby stricter gun control. Why not put that towards lobbying better healthcare? I don't oppose gun control just because I want to buy "assault weapons" in the future, I also oppose it because it'll be wasted effort.[/QUOTE] No you said our healthcare was perfect as is, and your gun rights were much more important. Keep back peddling, it just makes you look more of a moron gun nut stereotype.

I had bloodwork done and it cost over 1500 dollars WITH my insurance. It's bullshit.