"Teaching isn't stressful, stop making excuses" - Ofsted - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Marbalo;35902297]Then you have to adapt. You have to understand the way those 'ungrateful pricks' see the world around them and then use that to keep them under control and peak their attention so some level of mutual respect is formed. Once said mutual respect is established they'll be willing to learn whatever it is you are teaching. Unless you're talking about Detroit-level of schools in which case I wouldnt really consider that a school in the first place. More like a place that kids go to hang out and chill.[/QUOTE] And this constant adaptation and thinking is stressful because otherwise the students won't care.

[url=http://teachingbattleground.wordpress.com/]amusing considering ofsted is the problem[/url]

Ofstead can fuck off, they have taken so long to haul their asses round to my school that it has delayed our study leave.

[quote]"Stress is, I'm sure, what many of the million-and-a-half unemployed young people today feel - unable to get a job because they've had a poor experience of school and lack the necessary skills and qualifications to find employment.[/quote] Too true. This kinda changed my views on teaching. I think most people thought the complaints were legit without doubting it. To be a teacher you certainly need to like your job. It's one of those jobs you need to like in order to perform it properly. I am sure many complaints are legit though. I've witnessed them first hand seeing teachers struggle to implement the new teaching standard forced upon school by law all while being short on hands [b]and[/b] motivation.

[img]http://www.jotaylor.uk.com/pix/guitars/wall/wall_3.jpg[/img] Obviously, they need this guy again.

opinions on teaching by people who have never taught in their lives reminds me of politics

[QUOTE=Bobie;35903246]opinions on teaching by people who have never taught in their lives reminds me of politics[/QUOTE] I've seen over the course of our lives, that everyone, has atleast tried teaching at one point. Whether its the rules of a game or the rules of mathematics. By dismissing these very good points, we will not get better.

[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;35903265]I've seen over the course of our lives, that everyone, has atleast tried teaching at one point. Whether its the rules of a game or the rules of mathematics. By dismissing these very good points, we will not get better.[/QUOTE] what points? all i saw in that article was a bunch of pointless rhetoric and outdated anecdotes from 60 years ago. if teachers have a problem with the education system, do you think that it could be... oh i don't know; to do with how the current educational system is flawed? teaching someone how to play monopoly doesnt equate to having to work a 9 to 5 and teaching kids that are unwilling to learn, in a poorly regulated environment coupled with a government that consistently puts pressure on the amount of financing schools in poorer areas get. ive seen that shit, it can be [I]extremely[/I] stressfull and saying that it isn't is fucking retarded. all i can see is the requirement for a reform in the way kids are taught, and a total rebalance in the places government put their resources. and on the point of ofsted complaining about jobs etc (a very cliche statement today, unemployment seems to consistently be an excuse for everyone fucking eachother over now) if you want to get rid of employment, teaching kids better wont change anything; its not as if the jobs are there, its redistributing the wealth into positions where billionaire CEOs don't steal from third world countries and instead push for a system where everyone has the ability to innovate and live free. and if you SERIOUSLY think 'teaching the rules of a game' comes anywhere CLOSE to being a full time employed teacher, then may god forgive your incredible naivety

[QUOTE=Cone;35902244]plus even if you do try and work really hard people might single you out for it, as retarded as that sounds, and that can make a potentially successful student get terrible marks because they're afraid of what their brick-headed friends will think[/QUOTE] This isn't a cartoon. That never happens.

[QUOTE=Bobie;35903333]what points? all i saw in that article was a bunch of pointless rhetoric and outdated anecdotes from 60 years ago. if teachers have a problem with the education system, do you think that it could be... oh i don't know; to do with how the current educational system is flawed? teaching someone how to play monopoly doesnt equate to having to work a 9 to 5 and teaching kids that are unwilling to learn, in a poorly regulated environment coupled with a government that consistently puts pressure on the amount of financing schools in poorer areas get. ive seen that shit, it can be [I]extremely[/I] stressfull and saying that it isn't is fucking retarded. all i can see is the requirement for a reform in the way kids are taught, and a total rebalance in the places government put their resources. and on the point of ofsted complaining about jobs etc (a very cliche statement today, unemployment seems to consistently be an excuse for everyone fucking eachother over now) if you want to get rid of employment, teaching kids better wont change anything; its not as if the jobs are there, its redistributing the wealth into positions where billionaire CEOs don't steal from third world countries and instead push for a system where everyone has the ability to innovate and live free. and if you SERIOUSLY think 'teaching the rules of a game' comes anywhere CLOSE to being a full time employed teacher, then may god forgive your incredible naivety[/QUOTE] Tell that to every teenager who was never properly engaged in the classroom. Tell that to every adult who doesn't care to continue learning because all they had were bad experiences. You're sitting her basically blaming the pupil for mistakes of the teacher. Which is infact, what Ofsted is arguing against. You've walked right into his argument and validated it.

[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;35903524]Tell that to every teenager who was never properly engaged in the classroom. Tell that to every adult who doesn't care to continue learning because all they had were bad experiences. You're sitting her basically blaming the pupil for mistakes of the teacher. Which is infact, what Ofsted is arguing against. You've walked right into his argument and validated it.[/QUOTE] no you idiot im blaming the ENVIRONMENT and EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM for the mistakes, did you even fucking read what i wrote?!

This is fucking ridiculous teachers teach KIDS, some of the teachers are destroyed by the end of the day and shitty pay and they are expected to teach the future? bull

We had this epic history teacher last year, he was some 70-80 years old. He'd never give us homework, we'd only listen to him talk about interesting stuff. Everyone was silent, everyone listened to him. Best teacher ever, but he was retired last december. :smith:

As someone who is currently working as an assistant to a grade 1 teacher, it can be [I]very[/I] stressful. You never know exactly what you can expect from day to day. One day the class can be fairly under control, the other they're completely off the handle.

"TEACHING IS NOT STRESSFUL" -Man who has not taught a room full of 6 year olds on a daily basis. When you got to deal with 30-150+ kids a day who could most likely not give a fuck about being there is stressful especially when you are trying to teach them a test that will come in 2 months time that will tell how much of a failure you are when in fact that isnt how it is supposed to work.

[QUOTE=Bobie;35903246]opinions on teaching by people who have never taught in their lives reminds me of politics[/QUOTE] You don't need to be an architect to know that a building is falling down.

[QUOTE=Stockers678;35905260]You don't need to be an architect to know that a building is falling down.[/QUOTE] you need to be an architect to know [I]why[/I] it fell down though

[QUOTE=Stockers678;35905260]You don't need to be an architect to know that a building is falling down.[/QUOTE] but to follow your analogy, you probably do need to be an architect to know why the building fell down.

Um how about these teachers can stop complaining about their pay until their job performance improves. You signed onto this job because it was stressful, you shouldn't get more money if your performance doesn't reflect the salary increase.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;35903452]This isn't a cartoon. That never happens.[/QUOTE] Yes it does.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35906148]Yes it does.[/QUOTE] Then you must go to school with a bunch of assholes.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35906132]Um how about these teachers can stop complaining about their pay until their job performance improves. You signed onto this job because it was stressful, you shouldn't get more money if your performance doesn't reflect the salary increase.[/QUOTE] during school i had a kickass modern history teacher who actually cared and tried her hardest for us to actually pass she told us that with the amount of work she does in and outside of school, she earns around $5 an hour that doesn't sound fair to me

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35906132]Um how about these teachers can stop complaining about their pay until their job performance improves. You signed onto this job because it was stressful, you shouldn't get more money if your performance doesn't reflect the salary increase.[/QUOTE] So you are assuming their current pay reflects their current level of 'performance'? Because I can assure you that relative to stress and workload they get paid shit all [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] And Sir Michael Wilshaw can babble on all he wants about teaching in the 50s and 60s. Back then they didn't have all the bullshit paperwork, harsh targets and general intense level of scrutiny that ofsted itself is responsible for nowadays

[QUOTE=Stockers678;35905260]You don't need to be an architect to know that a building is falling down.[/QUOTE] Playing with Lego doesn't make you qualified to talk about how easy building skyscrapers are.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;35906772]im p sure teachers sign into the job to live their dream of teaching, if they raised the salary, more capable teachers would actually want to teach because it could more comfortably support their lives[/QUOTE] How about we make it so that one teacher can get a raise and no one has tenure anymore? Saves the schools money because they can slash pay of shit teachers, or fire them, so that the school can afford pay raises for competent teachers. [QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;35906925]during school i had a kickass modern history teacher who actually cared and tried her hardest for us to actually pass she told us that with the amount of work she does in and outside of school, she earns around $5 an hour that doesn't sound fair to me[/QUOTE] You can blame the unions for that tbh. Awesome teachers aren't properly compensated and shitty teachers keep their jobs. Note that I'm not saying all teachers are shitty or that some don't deserve raises, but if you are going to be calling for pay raises, make sure your job performance is high. [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=James*;35907106]So you are assuming their current pay reflects their current level of 'performance'? Because I can assure you that relative to stress and workload they get paid shit all [editline]11th May 2012[/editline] And Sir Michael Wilshaw can babble on all he wants about teaching in the 50s and 60s. Back then they didn't have all the bullshit paperwork, harsh targets and general intense level of scrutiny that ofsted itself is responsible for nowadays[/QUOTE] I'm speaking from an American point of view as well. I don't know how well the UK is doing education wise, but if it's anything like the US then yea, they are payed shit because most of them are not teaching students what they need to know.

Teachers work 24/7. A good teacher is always teaching. They are a role model, and are generally taught to act as such. They have to lead lives at an unparalleled "straight-edge" standard. Mess up once in your life, and you can kiss that profession goodbye. A count of underage drinking when he was 19, or 20 won't ruin the life of a lawyer, or a doctor. You can bet your sweet ass that it would a teacher though. They have to be constantly on. You don't get to relax. If a student sees you in the grocery store, or out at a restaurant you're not just a person, no. You're still their teacher, and as far as anyone's concerned whatever they saw you doing might as well have happened in the classroom. Teaching is hard, it always has been, and it always will be. However, the sheer enjoyment brought on by helping young people outweighs the negatives of any level of difficulty.

I sympathize with the teachers on this one. Whenever we had supply teachers in, he/she would get completely blanked and on one occasion, an American lady who came in for the week ended up in tears and eventually resigned. My class in the top sets were okay I suppose, but they made staff's job difficult at times. The lower-downs were abominations (The sort who swear at teachers and punch computer monitors and try prying out keys with a pen).

Teachers have one of the worst jobs for time out there. They get in earlier than students, prep for lessions, attend meetings, do lessions all day, sure they get a nice break\lunch (maybe) then when the day is out they have either do things after school, travel (often not local) and then if tests\work needs to be marked, they gotta do that before the day is out, repeating the process again the next day. However most stress is having brats and little bastards who don't want to learn in the class.

You know, it might help if you weren't so ridiculously condescending.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;35903452]This isn't a cartoon. That never happens.[/QUOTE] my brother had a nervous breakdown because of that and it contributed to my getting pulled from school for a year, as well as my crushing anxiety so I think it's safe to say that it does indeed happen, yeah