[QUOTE=ejonkou;23514078]I like my ISP, I am not going to change anytime soon untill they make this more reliable.
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Sweden isnt US, you cant sue people for everything here.
They could try.. But Google has very good lawyers.[/QUOTE]
Google's a proponent of net neutrality. There's no way they'd do this anyway.
I'm not sure about my ISP, but I'm pretty sure they start throttling my download speeds every time i use P2P applications.
[QUOTE=Ericsson;23513868]Google and others can simply block traffic from that ISP[/QUOTE]
why would they even begin thinking of doing that
[QUOTE=Ericsson;23513868]Google and others can simply block traffic from that ISP[/QUOTE]
Why would Google, let alone anyone, do that? Correct me if I'm wrong but Google doesn't give a crap and most ISP's themselves BENEFIT from their customers torrenting (as well as file sharing in general) because they profit off wide bandwidth sales.
[QUOTE=elitehakor;23515993]I'm not sure about my ISP, but I'm pretty sure they start throttling my download speeds every time i use P2P applications.[/QUOTE]
Same here
If corporations could step up and not be dicks about piracy, that'd be great
I'm talking if, for example, I were to torrent a 10 song album.
1. If caught, let me just pay the goddamn price for the album as opposed to being fined $200,000.
2. If I share one song from the album, don't fine me another $20,000. I mean seriously, are we trying to fight piracy or make a quick buck, Mr. RIAA?
What about game piracy? DRM is annoying shit, so they should take the SCII method and offer incentives to purchase the game as opposed to putting down oppressive, generally harmful DRMs that hurt the purchaser moreso than the pirate. And FFS, if I get caught, I'll buy the damn game. You get your purchase and I get my game.
But last but not least:
[IMG]http://questioncopyright.org/cm/images/piracy-is-not-theft.jpg[/IMG]
So don't treat it like I just stole a goddamn Rolex right off of Activision's desk.
It's great to have more freedom, but there are valid reasons why copyrights exist. If everyone just pirated everything they want there wouldn't be anything left to pirate.
[QUOTE=Robber;23521488]It's great to have more freedom, but there are valid reasons why copyrights exist. If everyone just pirated everything they want there wouldn't be anything left to pirate.[/QUOTE]
Which is why they should stop putting in shit that makes piracy the more preferable option, like UbiSoft's shitty DRM.
[quote]PirateISP Internet Black 1000/1000 525 kr inkl moms[/quote]
Fuck what I said earlier, brb moving to sweden.
Sounds awesome.
[QUOTE=Fippe;23492486]So that people do not have to pay 6 million dollars to RIAA just because RIAA says that they lost millions in profits because someone shared a song to 10 other people.[/QUOTE]
and then not give the money they took back to the artist they claim lost the money
Oh great now the last few game companies, who still make games for pc, will quit too... Damn it, they didn't think this one through...
I'm expecting the PirateISP to cost a bunch just because it condone pirating (in one way or another). This is great news but it is also a really good chance at making money, I think.
all of those "piracy is not theft" pictures are fucking awful and don't illustrate the point at all
[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;23521806]all of those "piracy is not theft" pictures are fucking awful and don't illustrate the point at all[/QUOTE]
This.
The company is still losing profits.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;23500522]The battle against child pornography should be taken to the countries where the child porn websites and producers are hosted and established, not fought by Internet censorship.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, but I am pretty sure that downloading or having child pornography is illegal in many many countries. I am not really enlightened on this but I have been told that if one downloads child pornography, he can be found out by the police. But would this anonimity mean that everyone at that ISP could freely download child pornography? Or am I just completely wrong?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;23495938]My local ISP doesn't give a shit about piracy.[/QUOTE]
Same here. I have SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much pirated shit.
My brother lives 100 miles from me. He download 1 (Yes, one) song from Megaupload, they warned him with a $100 fee.
Fuck yes for lazy ISPs!
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[QUOTE=starpluck;23522079]This.
The company is still losing profits.[/QUOTE]
possible profits
[QUOTE=BrQ;23522081]I agree with you, but I am pretty sure that downloading or having child pornography is illegal in many many countries. I am not really enlightened on this but I have been told that if one downloads child pornography, he can be found out by the police. But would this anonimity mean that everyone at that ISP could freely download child pornography? Or am I just completely wrong?[/QUOTE]
i'm p. sure any ISP would cooperate with the police if they're investigating a child pornography crime.
[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;23521806]all of those "piracy is not theft" pictures are fucking awful and don't illustrate the point at all[/QUOTE]
The point of the picture isn't to defend the act of piracy, it's to clarify the semantics; "Piracy is theft" is not accurately illustrating what is happening either and is being used to make piracy seem like something it isn't. The word "theft" has strong negative associations that are completely unrelated to piracy.
[QUOTE=Cuel;23522291]possible profits[/QUOTE]
This.
If I went to a store and stole a movie or something, that's lost profit because the copy has already been made
If I download my own copy, they don't lose profits, but they lose the potential profit from the new company. However, they don't lose any expenses in making my illegal copy.
It's different from textbook theft anyway
[QUOTE=starpluck;23522079]This.
The company is still losing profits.[/QUOTE]
just because you'd pirate it doesn't mean you'd buy it. the numbers of pirated products don't completely translate into lost sales, and you won't be able to find out how it would translate. do you put a poll on a torrent website with "if you couldn't pirate this, would you buy it?"
piracy is easy and free so people are going to download things for shits and giggles, lots of times products they would never buy.
you could also go into theoretical details about where they would have bought it, because if they bought it from a large store like Best Buy, the store already paid for the item and is waiting for you to buy it to turn over a profit. if you just pirated it the creators still get money, unless you were going to buy online. saying "it's lost profits" is bullshit and unmeasurable.
ps i made a better one, using boxes doesn't illustrate the point and even though i get what the text says the four fucking boxes is a really dumb analogy
[img]http://i27.tinypic.com/avqxw5.png[/img]
[QUOTE=BrQ;23522081]I agree with you, but I am pretty sure that downloading or having child pornography is illegal in many many countries. I am not really enlightened on this but I have been told that if one downloads child pornography, he can be found out by the police. But would this anonimity mean that everyone at that ISP could freely download child pornography? Or am I just completely wrong?[/QUOTE]
My point is that the efforts are misguided. Instead of going after the consumers and the ISP's (who may or may not be actual pedophiles) the legal forces concerned with this needs to stop being pussies and go after the criminal conglomerates who produce the child porn in the first place, or at the very least raid the server halls where the content itself is hosted. Yeah, it's harder, but it's called "Solving the problem at it's root".
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[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;23522455]"Piracy it not stealing, it's copyright infringement"[/QUOTE]
Yep, better way of illustrating the point.
"Theft" and "Copyright infringement" are two different things with different implications.
also go after release groups. seriously. if there weren't release groups and cracking groups piracy wouldn't be an option for people that really want the game.
i can't remember the name, but a bunch of people ended up buying the game because they didn't end up cracking it until weeks after the game launched.
Why do you guys act like you can't live without piracy, just deal with it. If you want to do it, do it, you're already breaking the law.
[QUOTE=Tools;23521615]Fuck what I said earlier, brb moving to sweden.[/QUOTE]
*goes to unit converter*
1GBIT/S FOR ~55€/MONTH WHAT THE FUCK
I [B]am[/B] going to Sweden when I can. For real. Unless there's something equally good elsewhere then (or PirateISP's down)
[QUOTE=Mooe94;23521751]I'm expecting the PirateISP to cost a bunch just because it condone pirating (in one way or another). This is great news but it is also a really good chance at making money, I think.[/QUOTE]
See this post.
How exactly does a random entrepreneurial start-up get Parliamentary immunity? Sounds like a load of crap to me.
[QUOTE=farmatyr;23497750]Actually, Sweden doesn't have any polar bears at all. Norway does in fact, have polar bears in its natural habitat.[/QUOTE]
No, it's [b]Finland[/b] you're confusing it with. Finland has the polar bears. :colbert:
Hahah, this is awesome. Giving the finger to the government. If this takes off, I hope we can switch to their ISP when our current contract runs out. :dance:
Holy hell, Sweden continues to impress me.
Piracy is a good thing, it allows you in most cases to try before you buy, or allow people who cannot afford stuff to have the same benifit as other people.
This just in, people realize the internet is not a secure base for copyright material!
Just goes to show sweden should be considered the most developed country in the world.
And goddamn, I just found out australia is ahead of sweden in 2nd place! Hahahhahaha.
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