There will be no babies born with Downs Syndrom after 2030 in Denmark

[carcarcargo]

[QUOTE=J!NX;31175592]And what if we could genetically modify a baby so that downs never would be a part of their life? He'd be exactly like any other non-disabled child, nothing more or less.

Then again, thats obvious.[/QUOTE]

I have no problem with modifying them

[Jackpody]

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;31172485]Reminds me too much of Nazi Germany[/QUOTE]

Ahahahaha, your name fits.

This is exactly why I like my country. IMO, it's better to have the fetus put to rest. It's better for the actual human that would exist if it wasn't put to rest. You wouldn't have basic knowledge, probably no chance of sympathy / actual feelings and you most likely won't live past 50.

[Turnips5]

As long as it's the woman's choice, I'm completely fine with this.

[Turnips5]

It's only eugenics if it's forced wide-scale with the intention of "making the human race better".

[Dajukester]

This gives me a idea, EVERYONE THAT HAS THE FLU GET ON THAT BRIDGE yea the one that has lava under it.

[Nerts]

[QUOTE=Pinhead!;31175999]This gives me a idea, EVERYONE THAT HAS THE FLU GET ON THAT BRIDGE yea the one that has lava under it.[/QUOTE]How about everyone who makes bad posts receives a gun with one bullet, and everyone else receives body armour in case you miss.

[Kade]

[QUOTE=Pinhead!;31175999]This gives me a idea, EVERYONE THAT HAS THE FLU GET ON THAT BRIDGE yea the one that has lava under it.[/QUOTE]

Except this [I]isn't [/I]really about the people that have flu. It's about the people who are going to be looking after the future people that are going to have flu.

This isn't affecting people that have downs.

The people that will have downs in the future don't exist yet, so are irrelevant.

The only people that matter in this are the [B]parents [/B]who could potentially have children with downs. It's their choice and they are choosing to guarantee the quality of their own lives. Good on them I say.

[redBadger]

I have mixed feelings to this. One one hand, I don't think we should tamper with the natural order.
On the other, I feel like everyone should live a normal life.

[ewitwins]

In my humble opinion, voluntary eugenics is possibly one of the best solutions for getting rid of genetic disease. We have the capability of projecting the results of a pregnancy, and it shows a willingness to help humanity as a whole.

[editline]17th July 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=Reimu;31175428]That also means there will be less quality of care for people suffering from Downs syndrome, because there would be no Business or Governmental benefit in that industry.[/QUOTE]

That.

OR

It will show an increased compassion for people with Downs syndrome, as an increased awareness helps people realize the sort of things that these people go through.

[Tim Henson]

I don't think this is bad. It's kind of sad, but you're not really losing anything when they haven't had a chance to be yet.

[HeadshotDCS]

I'm not seeing the people against this answering the question I posted earlier. So let me ask it again.

Would you rather have and raise a child with mental retarded, than not have one?

Sure? Well then, would you be willing to do it without government assistance?

[thisispain]

woah woah woah what the fuck is this article talking about?

downs syndrome is not necessarily hereditary and a healthy born child can still be a carrier for downs syndrome anyway.

where this bullshit of "it'll be gone after 2030" came from is completely beyond me.

[Elecbullet]

[QUOTE=Kwaq;31172839]every time you ejaculate you are doing the same thing as aborting a foetus (well really half of it), i see this as fine[/QUOTE]

extremely shitty argument

[editline]17th July 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=thisispain;31178408]woah woah woah what the fuck is this article talking about?

downs syndrome is not necessarily hereditary and a healthy born child can still be a carrier for downs syndrome anyway.

where this bullshit of "it'll be gone after 2030" came from is completely beyond me.[/QUOTE]

Probably they're saying that by 2030, the trend of identifying and aborting Down syndrome children will be so prevalent that the syndrome will be nonexistent. Which is a bit of a stretch, saying that there will be [i]no[/i] cases.

[Pretiacruento]

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;31173055]At the risk of sounding like a complete monster, I personally support this.[/QUOTE]
Me too. I'm ok with this.

[Turnips5]

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31178521]extremely shitty argument[/QUOTE]

Please elucidate.

[Elecbullet]

You cannot lump the abortion of [i]all[/i] fetuses together

I can agree that the abortion of a ten cell blastula should carry absolutely zero moral issues, as would jerking off, but later on it becomes something to be considered

[thisispain]

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31178521]
Probably they're saying that by 2030, the trend of identifying and aborting Down syndrome children will be so prevalent that the syndrome will be nonexistent. Which is a bit of a stretch, saying that there will be [i]no[/i] cases.[/QUOTE]

yes but there will be babies born that carry down syndrome genes.

so all this shit people are talking about as "perfecting the genome" likely failed biology classes

[SaberVS7]

I support this.

Infact, you would have to have Downs to not support this.

[Curls]

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31175826]I have no problem with modifying them[/QUOTE]

Very sad some people would be heavily against it.

I guess I could understand the fear of science, your child's genes getting even more fucked up than before, but there are some people who are given so much endless proof in front of their eyes that are just hopeless.

I'm just extremely opposed to having a child with such a nasty disadvantage because it would sadden me to think about them having a normal, average life. It's not about their happyness, its about them being fully functioning and living like everyone else.

[demoguy08]

[QUOTE=J!NX;31178837]Very sad some people would be heavily against it.[/QUOTE]

Ever seen Gattaca?

[Elecbullet]

[QUOTE=thisispain;31178748]yes but there will be babies born that carry down syndrome genes.

so all this shit people are talking about as "perfecting the genome" likely failed biology classes[/QUOTE]

You're misunderstanding me

I'm saying that THEY'RE saying that by 2030, if a child begins to develop with Down syndrome, as occasionally arises naturally, the likelihood of that child's disease being identified and the child aborted will be 100%. Which is unreasonable, 99% maybe.

[Reimu]

[QUOTE=ewitwins;31176158]It will show an increased compassion for people with Downs syndrome, as an increased awareness helps people realize the sort of things that these people go through.[/QUOTE]
It's just that there's no money in treating people with Downs if there's only going to be a few of them each generation, and if their existence is on the decline.

[Mr Skeltal]

Whelp

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA[/media]

I think this sums up my thoughts

[Extroll]

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;31173043]I'd rather have a life with downs than none at all.[/QUOTE]

I regard intelligence very highly.

[Xenocidebot]

[QUOTE=Reimu;31179047]It's just that there's no money in treating people with Downs if there's only going to be a few of them each generation, and if their existence is on the decline.[/QUOTE]
Not to burst your bubble, but Downs has a per capita annual cost of [URL="http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/coi/pubs/III_8.pdf"]~$8k[/URL] in a country where the average is [URL="http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm010307oth.cfm"]~$6k.[/URL]
Downs care currently doesn't generate a profit, the motive for services to offer it is the fact that it would be inhumane if they didn't and it is actually absurdly cheap because it's not all that much work with past year 1. And the year one work is mostly just the same fluff you get with any newborn in need of medical care.

[Dr Magnusson]

[QUOTE=thisispain;31178748]yes but there will be babies born that carry down syndrome genes.

so all this shit people are talking about as "perfecting the genome" likely failed biology classes[/QUOTE]
First of all, calm down.

Second, read the article.

Congratulations, you're now ready to take part in this discussion.

[thisispain]

[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;31180228]First of all, calm down.

Second, read the article.

Congratulations, you're now ready to take part in this discussion.[/QUOTE]

i'm quite calm and i have read the article, but thanks anyway for the patronizing post

[Lazor]

[QUOTE=thisispain;31178408]woah woah woah what the fuck is this article talking about?

downs syndrome is not necessarily hereditary and a healthy born child can still be a carrier for downs syndrome anyway.

where this bullshit of "it'll be gone after 2030" came from is completely beyond me.[/QUOTE]

it's based on the assumption that the rate of down syndromes babies born will decrease at the same rate as it has been for the last few years

which is a pretty hefty assumption imo

people who talk about "perfecting the genome" annoy me

[kaine123]

Eugenics is horrible. (My opinion, not yours.)

[Zeke129]

Forcing someone to live with a devastating disorder is much more cruel than just getting an abortion of course, so I'm okay with this
If I knew that my kid was going to live a bad life I wouldn't make them live it

I just can't help but wonder how far it will end up going