There will be no babies born with Downs Syndrom after 2030 in Denmark - Polidicks

Sure, this seem like inhuman but to be honest if i get a kid i don't want it to have downs :(

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31188719]But that's only because you've experienced a non-intellectually-disabled life, and you'd feel a sense of loss. Birth-given intellectual-disabilities don't work like that.[/QUOTE] you have downs? tell me more

[QUOTE=AngryChairR;31188846]you have downs? tell me more[/QUOTE] Are you saying you have to have downs syndrome to know how it would feel? That's like saying you have to have cancer to know that it sucks.

This made me think about what I'd do if I was expecting a kid, found out he had downs syndrome and my wife wanted to have the child. I have no idea what I'd do.

Don't assume just because someone has a disability they feel at a sense of loss automatically. All of this roots back to the fact that someone with Downs is going to feel differently about their situation based on their perspective on life.

[QUOTE=Rebi;31189172]Are you saying you have to have downs syndrome to know how it would feel? That's like saying you have to have cancer to know that it sucks.[/QUOTE] What. Are you retarded? No it's not. You need to have experienced something to know how it feels. You are terrible at examples.

Nothing wrong with this at all IMO. This isn't the same thing as killing people with down syndrome or some kind of other cleansing, it simply limits the condition to those who are already alive. Wouldn't it be a good thing if, eventually, simply no one had down syndrome because babies were no longer born with it?

[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;31172552]Anyone who thinks people with down's syndrome cannot have a happy life has no understanding of the disabled. Firstly, you're saying that disabled people have no human value - that it would be better that they're not born. That's utterly horrible, and a complete lie pushed by Nazis and moronic internet teenagers who have no real comprehension of people with disabilities. I've just spent a week working in a centre that provides employment for people with disabilities, includingn Down's Syndrome, autism, and others. You can't tell me that they have no value, and that they should have been aborted. Secondly - where do you stop? If we kill people with genetic disorders, should we also abort foetuses with dyslexia? That's not ideal, right? Hey, what about children with brown eyes - that's not my vision of ideal, and it's MY choice, right? [/QUOTE] This doesn't mean people with disabilities don't have human value. And comparing a simple harmless genetic feature with a trisomy-type chromosome duplication mutation is just plain idiotic. Parent's should have a choice whether they want to give birth to a child that will probably be dependent of his/her parents for the rest of his life, and with a high probability will die before the parents. It can be detected during the 12th week of pregnancy when the fetus weights only 5-10 grams. and hopelly will be detected earlier in the future.. [QUOTE=Mattk50;31173019]this is good, eventually these disabilities can be completely erased from the world like this. refining the human genome ftw.[/QUOTE] Well not quite. Parents usually have normal genes, and the mutation occurs during mitosis or meiosis. [QUOTE=Fatal-Error;31172926]Is there anyway to correct this while it is still in the single cell phase. Part of GCSE biology does cover removing specific parts of the genome with enzymes. Surely you could get rid of the extra piece before the cell divides.[/QUOTE] Well that is possible only if we're talking about test tube babies and in vitro fertilization. PS. I am one

[QUOTE=HeadshotDCS;31187528]Let me put it into perspective. They are mentally retarded. They are happy regardless. They have the mind of a child, and if you are in their company and play around with them, they will be happy. But will they truly understand? To truly understand it is what makes a person a full person. Am I saying people with downs are less? No. But I am saying they will never, ever, EVER be able to enjoy what it means to truly understand something. They just exist. Granted, there are different levels of downs. Some much worse than others and I did make a blanket statement. I'm know of a people with mild forms of downs that lead fulfilling lives, but that is the far end of the spectrum. Still though, they need constant medical care to deal with their physical disbilities along with their mental disabilities. They do not get to enjoy a normal life. Living your life as a baby/near-child for 30 years? Does that sound like a fulfilling life worth living after having experienced a normal life to you? Once again, I'm asking the fucking question. Would you be willing to raise a child with downs or not have one? Keep in mind going into debt by 7 digits, and having to use federal insurance coverage as no insurance company is going to take a child with a condition like that. Now say you can't take gov handouts because you don't qualify. What then? What the fuck then.[/QUOTE] again, it's somewhat hard to explain but they from their eyes they are living a normal life they've never experienced how it is to be "normal" nor do they comprehend why it's such a big deal people are saying it's not fun to be downs when the downs kids never had the sense of intelligence that we do and never feel dumber because of the "loss" that they never experienced i don't support this because first it's downs and then second it's autistic kids and I think the world is much better with people who instead of arguing would just rather color and jump on a trampoline

[QUOTE=TBFundy;31193109]again, it's somewhat hard to explain but they from their eyes they are living a normal life they've never experienced how it is to be "normal" nor do they comprehend why it's such a big deal people are saying it's not fun to be downs when the downs kids never had the sense of intelligence that we do and never feel dumber because of the "loss" that they never experienced i don't support this because first it's downs and then second it's autistic kids and I think the world is much better with people who instead of arguing would just rather color and jump on a trampoline[/QUOTE] Again, sounding incredibly nazi, but autistic kids would probably also be aborted if it was possible to know if they would get it. Can't say I would blame people, although I would probably draw the line with Asperger syndome.

[QUOTE=Beafman;31193277]Again, sounding incredibly nazi, but autistic kids would probably also be aborted if it was possible to know if they would get it. Can't say I would blame people, although I would probably draw the line with Asperger syndome.[/QUOTE] I mean, i'm not gonna go on a crusade against it, people are gonna abort babies even if they aren't down syndrome it's just the people in this thread saying that mentally retarded kids live awful lives when that certainly isn't the case at all

[QUOTE=SteelReal;31172085]For people saying this is terrible, it's equally as terrible having to live a life with down syndrome and if we can prevent it then that's good.[/QUOTE] Do you have down syndrome? Can you attest to that?

It's for the better.

I don't know how I feel about this. The liberal side of me says, hey, this is good and we're making humanity better but then the only thing I can think about is a perfect, faultless human race; which quite frankly scares me. Alot.

I support this, anyone can have a kid with downs, specially if the mother is very old, and I don't think anyone would want to have a disabled child, right? Also, whoever is against this, having a child with downs or similar disorders is something very painful, both for the parents (who're gonna live both with the extra work of having to raise a child who's gonna stay 3-year old forever and with shame and regret, because you'd never want your child to be disabled, you want a healthy and cute child, right?) and for the child (because s/he's going to be discriminated and rejected for all his/her life. And no, having all kinds of preferential trait or affirmative action will never work, the kid is going to be discriminated in practice anyway) [QUOTE=demoguy08;31178894]Ever seen Gattaca?[/QUOTE] This is kind of like saying "We should destroy all robots and live in caves because I saw "2001: A Space Oddysey" and it was about an artificial intelligence killing people, and that means we will definitely have killing machines in the future"

No one said anything about perfecting the genome, just identifying a developing fetus with the downs and then proceeding to abort it. This causes no down syndrome children to be born. The gene will still exist, but that's not the point.

[QUOTE=The Baconator;31194187]No one said anything about perfecting the genome, just identifying a developing fetus with the downs and then proceeding to abort it. This causes no down syndrome children to be born. The gene will still exist, but that's not the point.[/QUOTE] I don't think neckbeardians should be yelling for the perfect of the human genome

[QUOTE=Tark;31193764]I don't know how I feel about this. The liberal side of me says, hey, this is good and we're making humanity better but then the only thing I can think about is a perfect, faultless human race; which quite frankly scares me. Alot.[/QUOTE] why?

[QUOTE=Beafman;31206749]why?[/QUOTE] Nazis.

To everyone here who says living life with downs syndrome is such a terrible thing; how do you think someone with downs syndrome would respond if you asked them if they would have liked to have been aborted in the womb? When I was in the womb initially, the doctors said I would have a variety of social and mental problems, including downs syndrome. Thankfully, I only have a minor case of OCD. My mother could have had me aborted, but she chose not to. I think this whole utilitarian idea of rooting out genetic diseases through artificial selection is disgusting and wrong on so many levels.

The title makes it sound like a law.

bit wrong and a bit right. mostly right

[QUOTE=SnowCanary;31211510]Nazis.[/QUOTE] Reductio ad Hitlerum is not a valid way of judging things

[QUOTE=Derubermensch;31212283]To everyone here who says living life with downs syndrome is such a terrible thing; how do you think someone with downs syndrome would respond if you asked them if they would have liked to have been aborted in the womb? When I was in the womb initially, the doctors said I would have a variety of social and mental problems, including downs syndrome. Thankfully, I only have a minor case of OCD. My mother could have had me aborted, but she chose not to. I think this whole utilitarian idea of rooting out genetic diseases through artificial selection is disgusting and wrong on so many levels.[/QUOTE] How would you have felt about being aborted, if you had been aborted? You wouldn't. You wouldn't have felt a thing, cause you wouldn't have existed.

This is good, if we can do this with every fetus that's unfortantely formed faulty, then we can eliminate defects from humanity, allthough gene therepy would work as well.

[QUOTE=SnowCanary;31211510]Nazis.[/QUOTE]You know what else you're going to have to avoid now too? Jet engine planes, Volkswagen cars and magnetic tape.