Teenage Cannabis Use Does Not Lead to Adulthood Asthma, Depression, or Lung Cancer
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This def makes sense if you use a bong or something similar. But what about soot from pipes? Surely that has some sort of negative effect?
I smoke trees too but breathing in black shit can't be healthy.
I'm no fun, definitely took a few hits from my friends bong a couple times and it just hits me weird. I get really nervous and it messes with my anxiety. It's different for some people I guess though, guess I'm not cut out for the life.
[QUOTE=elitehakor;48380934]does it lead to a useless druggie life though
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kidding that doesn't need to be answered (cos there's already an answer (yes))[/QUOTE]
I giggled like a schoolgirl
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[QUOTE=Chaseymusica;48382372]I'm no fun, definitely took a few hits from my friends bong a couple times and it just hits me weird. I get really nervous and it messes with my anxiety. It's different for some people I guess though, guess I'm not cut out for the life.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people think the same thing and I can guarantee you smoked too much. Take a puff from a handpipe. A bong is terrible for new smokers. It could definitely be not for you but a lot of people smoke way too much for their first time and it freaks them out
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[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;48382300]Proof that cannabis is just a medicinal plant after all, not a drug :3[/QUOTE]
No, it's not proof at all
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And no matter what no study is ever going to justify smoking anything as healthy. Because it's not
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;48381859]Not all*[/QUOTE]
Not at all*
We're talking about Cannabis here, not heroin.
[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;48382300]Proof that cannabis is just a medicinal plant after all, not a drug :3[/QUOTE]
What.
Like, when did medicinal shit become non-drugs? They're still drugs.
In my experience, cannabis' addictive properties are relative to the individual's own susceptibility to forming habits. This, along with the fact that there's no signs of any "physical" addiction lead me to believe any habitual use, especially in amounts that could actually negatively affect your life, are simply the concern of the individual and not a vice of the substance. From what we know now, weed only disrupts the balance of a few brain chemicals, including a boost of dopamine upon taking a hit, which most recreational drugs do. Google dopamine if you don't already know, it's linked to your reward system; a boost of dopamine = makes you feel rewarded. Long term exposure would make the brain start to think the boost of dopamine = feels good man= good for me. Translated to the real world, the same boost of dopamine is similar to the satisfaction we get from eating a candy bar (sugar!) or smoking a cigarette. Just like sugar, tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, any drugs really, some would make a connection that this feeling is good for them, some that it's an indulgence or deserves moderation (smart), some would interpret it as bad for them altogether, some wouldn't interpret it at all and just never question why they like smoking/eating candy/getting wasted so much... Meaning the only physically addictive properties of cannabis are as strong as every other indulgence we resist in life. The same evidence that observed the boost in dopamine also observed it decreasing gradually to a point below the original amount, this behavior is believed to be a major player in mental addiction. Here's some personal exposition, I related that to all the "munchies" food that people typically eat when they get the cravin'. Lots of carbohydrates or sugars mostly. That's most commercial food nowadays but still. You smoke a bunch and then you enjoy your high, oh no, you're really hungry all of a sudden! But are you actually hungry or are you just eating to eat, a common phenomenon explained by the simple fact that food actually makes us happy? Exactly. They observed dopamine levels dropping within 30 minutes of when the individual stopped smoking. You only know you're hungry because your body tells you so your body telling you you're hungry after you smoke is almost positively due to coming down from where you were. Also, the distance from the original level of dopamine varied between people, which might explain why some people just don't get the munchies. Or it could explain nothing at all.
That said, I am talking in the most ground level sense possible: the changes marijuana has on the body and brain physically/chemically. Go into the real world and we see people who form opinions of cannabis as the end-all, be-all miracle drug, which isn't healthy, and then we see people who take one bong rip, feel the effects, and go on to vehemently detest it, which isn't healthy depending on if you keep your views to yourself. The first example pretty much shows why smoking can turn from non-existent, to social, and then to full-on daily use. People are people. They are weak to things that make them happy. What one must do before turning to recreational drugs is be happy, and be smart. If you're happy but aren't smart, you overdose. If you're smart but not happy, you get dependent.
[QUOTE=Eeshton;48382532]People are people. They are weak to things that make them happy. What one must do before turning to recreational drugs is be happy, and be smart. If you're happy but aren't smart, you overdose. If you're smart but not happy, you get dependent.[/QUOTE]
Truer words have never been spoken.
[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;48382742]Truer words have never been spoken.[/QUOTE]
The saddest thing is that drugs are normally what people who are depressed or suicidal turn to.
Its a very bad combination.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;48382382]I giggled like a schoolgirl
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A lot of people think the same thing and I can guarantee you smoked too much. Take a puff from a handpipe. A bong is terrible for new smokers. It could definitely be not for you but a lot of people smoke way too much for their first time and it freaks them out
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Yeah, I mean I had never smoked before and all of the sudden I'm using a friend of mines like $200 bong. That could be right, but the second time I smoked it was mixed with alcohol so that extenuated it I'm sure.
[QUOTE=Eeshton;48382532]People are people. They are weak to things that make them happy. What one must do before turning to recreational drugs is be happy, and be smart. If you're happy but aren't smart, you overdose. If you're smart but not happy, you get dependent.[/QUOTE]
You just summed up 90% of my friends.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;48381859]Not all*[/QUOTE]
Anything that makes you feel good(IE releases dopamine in the brain) can cause psychological addiction. Basically not having it can put you in a shitty mood for a while as your brain gets bored of not having that dopamine. Stuff like food, exercise, adrenaline rushes, and fapping can be addictive, sometimes to the point of causing harm.
false, weed is good for you.
[QUOTE=Chaseymusica;48382372]I'm no fun, definitely took a few hits from my friends bong a couple times and it just hits me weird. I get really nervous and it messes with my anxiety. It's different for some people I guess though, guess I'm not cut out for the life.[/QUOTE]
The only bad side effect of cannabis is paranoia.
I started when i was 16, i dont really feel any different physically or mentally tbh
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;48382429]What.
Like, when did medicinal shit become non-drugs? They're still drugs.[/QUOTE]
What I meant is that cannabis is natural and a plant, unlike all of the poisonous tablets and crap that pharmacies sell.
[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;48383524]What I meant is that cannabis is natural and a plant, unlike all of the poisonous tablets and crap that pharmacies sell.[/QUOTE]
Most medicine is derived from a plant one way or another. That makes next to no difference.
The fact that morphine comes from a plant doesn't make it any safer.
Ugh it should be law for news sources to cite the journal/study when making statements like these.
I'm very skeptical about this, its only one study and we don't even completely know the process. From what I'm reading it looks like retrospective cohort and they aren't very ideal.
What marijuana needs is simply more time, do a prospective study and follow the people over the time. RCT would probably be impossible to pull off for this but there have been cases where an RCT completely contradicts other studies putting researchers way back to square one.
[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;48383591]Most medicine is derived from a plant one way or another. That makes next to no difference.
The fact that morphine comes from a plant doesn't make it any safer.[/QUOTE]
should also mention that a purified compound as extracted from its plant source is a safer deal to use than the active parts of the plants themselves, which may have unwanted extras, such as alkaloids which cause liver damage.
[QUOTE=CoilingTesla;48383591]Most medicine is derived from a plant one way or another. That makes next to no difference.
The fact that morphine comes from a plant doesn't make it any safer.[/QUOTE]
This is ridiculous.
The raw form of morphine is an opioid. What makes morphine more dangerous than a raw opioid is that it has benzene, unsaturated cyclohexane, piperidine and tetrahydrofuran.
These additives a chemical and molecular changes to the opioid.
Do you realize that poppy seeds have opium in them, not only are they legal but completely safe to consume in very large doses.
Its only when people start fucking the the molecules does it take on a medical and potentially dangerous attribute.
Smoking cannabis is not medicinal in my opinion. Vaping or edibles are the only real way that it doesn't have actual negative effects on your body, barring overdose.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;48383759]This is ridiculous.
The raw form of morphine is an opioid. What makes morphine more dangerous than a raw opioid is that it has benzene, unsaturated cyclohexane, piperidine and tetrahydrofuran.
These additives a chemical and molecular changes to the opioid.
Do you realize that poppy seeds have opium in them, not only are they legal but completely safe to consume in very large doses.
Its only when people start fucking the the molecules does it take on a medical and potentially dangerous attribute.[/QUOTE]
Yes.
Are you tryin to counter my point or Freyas'?
[QUOTE=elitehakor;48380934]does it lead to a useless druggie life though
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kidding that doesn't need to be answered (cos there's already an answer (yes))[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm a pretty useless druggie thanks
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;48383759]This is ridiculous.
The raw form of morphine is an opioid. What makes morphine more dangerous than a raw opioid is that it has benzene, unsaturated cyclohexane, piperidine and tetrahydrofuran.
These additives a chemical and molecular changes to the opioid.
Do you realize that poppy seeds have opium in them, not only are they legal but completely safe to consume in very large doses.
Its only when people start fucking the the molecules does it take on a medical and potentially dangerous attribute.[/QUOTE]
Same thing with Coccaine too, the natural plant is healthy for you, but when you start breaking it down it becomes a lot worse, both because of concentrations and the chemicals used in it.
Though no matter how much you break down THC and such you still can't overdose on it, or really even die from it in any direct way.
[QUOTE=elitehakor;48380934]does it lead to a useless druggie life though
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kidding that doesn't need to be answered (cos there's already an answer (yes))[/QUOTE]
imo "loser stoners" would just be regular losers without weed. If you lack the self-discipline and resolve to not constantly smoke weed and go out and accomplish things instead, you probably would have ended up a loser no matter what. Born a loser, die a loser.
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[QUOTE=Eeshton;48383995]Smoking cannabis is not medicinal in my opinion. Vaping or edibles are the only real way that it doesn't have actual negative effects on your body, barring overdose.[/QUOTE]
No offense but this opinion is pretty unfounded, there really are some diseases and conditions that are soothed and made livable via consumption of cannabis, regardless of intake route.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;48381686]not physically homie[/QUOTE]
Wrong. All psychoactive substances work by altering the chemical balances in the brain, addiction occurs when the brain adapts to these altered levels, this can happen with any psychoactive substance.
If marijuana wasn't addictive then it wouldn't actually do anything beyond reducing your oxygen intake when you smoke it.
And of course addiction is generally more psychological then physical, in which case anything that causes emotional response can be addictive.
[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;48383524]What I meant is that cannabis is natural and a plant, unlike all of the poisonous tablets and crap that pharmacies sell.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? I'd be very worried if you were.
I am struggling to put this together without insulting you, because what you said is frankly quite shocking in so many ways. Pretty much all drugs we use derive from plants. As for the 'poisonous tablets and crap that pharmacies sell', well, this speaks for itself. The fact that you'd take weed over drugs from pharmacies is why I fucking love natrual selection.
[QUOTE=srobins;48384586]
No offense but this opinion is pretty unfounded, there really are some diseases and conditions that are soothed and made livable via consumption of cannabis, regardless of intake route.[/QUOTE]
I'm well aware of marijuana's medical prospects... If I regard vaping or edibles as medicinal, this doesn't mean I don't believe smoking to help. You are getting some of the medicinal properties when you smoke it obviously but does that mean it doesn't have any damaging effects? To be considered a medicine, I suppose it doesn't have to be completely healthy for you but given that there are entirely viable, safer routes of consumption, you would think something meant to improve health would not also be a long-term detriment to it. But hey, pills to your liver, eh? Honestly, smoking seems like a juvenile solution to consuming cannabis but nothing is quite like a nicely rolled joint.
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[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48384594]Wrong. All psychoactive substances work by altering the chemical balances in the brain, addiction occurs when the brain adapts to these altered levels, this can happen with any psychoactive substance.
If marijuana wasn't addictive then it wouldn't actually do anything beyond reducing your oxygen intake when you smoke it.
And of course addiction is generally more psychological then physical, in which case anything that causes emotional response can be addictive.[/QUOTE]
Go read my post earlier in the thread, I went over that.
I still dont know why weed is illegal in every country despite cigarettes are being sold in large. I smoked weed once and now im still clean of it meanwhile i cant stand a day without a cig. Its clear cigarettes damage someone more than weed does.
[QUOTE=LaTrefle;48384749]I still dont know why weed is illegal in every country despite cigarettes are being sold in large. I smoked weed once and now im still clean of it meanwhile i cant stand a day without a cig. Its clear cigarettes damage someone more than weed does.[/QUOTE]
Do you take broad histories in the form of wikipedia articles?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Opium_Convention[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_State_Narcotic_Drug_Act[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs[/url]
[QUOTE=Eeshton;48384776]Do you take broad histories in the form of wikipedia articles?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Opium_Convention[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_State_Narcotic_Drug_Act[/url]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Anslinger launched a nationwide media campaign declaring that marijuana causes temporary insanity.[/QUOTE]
Haha oh god.
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