Teenage Cannabis Use Does Not Lead to Adulthood Asthma, Depression, or Lung Cancer
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[QUOTE=elitehakor;48380934]does it lead to a useless druggie life though
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
kidding that doesn't need to be answered (cos there's already an answer (yes))[/QUOTE]
Are you stupid, or just a troll? Cause there's no way a rational, smart person would ever say that.
Honestly, I hear so much conflicting evidence regarding cannabis use and technicalities with the chemicals that, unless prescribed by my doctor, I just see no reason to add it to my day-to-day recreation. Of course this is just me personally.
[QUOTE=srobins;48384586]imo "loser stoners" would just be regular losers without weed. If you lack the self-discipline and resolve to not constantly smoke weed and go out and accomplish things instead, you probably would have ended up a loser no matter what. Born a loser, die a loser.[/QUOTE]
yeah holy shit why don't people get this
people who make "i smoke weed" such a big part of their personality aren't immature because it's weed that they like, they're immature because they let a hobby define them as a person. and if they didn't smoke, they'd let themselves be defined by a musical subculture, a nerdy fanbase or literally anything else
why won't these articles admit that there is a well documented link between marijuana and psychosis/schizophrenia?
there are risks involved, and whilst weed definitely isnt as harmful on a large scale as tobacco, it isn't a wonder drug like people claim it is.
[QUOTE=Bobie;48385372]why won't these articles admit that there is a well documented link between marijuana and psychosis/schizophrenia?
there are risks involved, and whilst weed definitely isnt as harmful on a large scale as tobacco, it isn't a wonder drug like people claim it is.[/QUOTE]
there's a link [I]in people who will already get schizophrenia anyways[/I]
if you don't have schizophrenia in your family history, smoking weed won't give you schizophrenia. weed has the ability to cause schizophrenic symptoms to arise in people who already have schizoprenia earlier than they usually would - that's the extent of it
you're not gonna be a schizophrenic from smoking weed. weed just speeds up the process and can exacerbate symptoms. eating a lot of sugar when you have diabetes could kill you, but if you don't have diabetes you can do that and you'll be fine.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48385454]there's a link [I]in people who will already get schizophrenia anyways[/I]
if you don't have schizophrenia in your family history, smoking weed won't give you schizophrenia. weed has the ability to cause schizophrenic symptoms to arise in people who already have schizoprenia earlier than they usually would - that's the extent of it
you're not gonna be a schizophrenic from smoking weed. weed just speeds up the process and can exacerbate symptoms. eating a lot of sugar when you have diabetes could kill you, but if you don't have diabetes you can do that and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]
this is a woefully uninformed post. there is no such thing as 'inevitable schizophrenia', just genetic predisposition to it. it means that you could, or couldn't get it in your lifetime- and marijuana heightens the risk of you getting it. and you totally ignored the part where i mentioned psychosis.
[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;48382300]Proof that cannabis is just a medicinal plant after all, not a drug :3[/QUOTE]
no it's a drug just like your prescriptions and alcohol are drugs
[QUOTE=.Isak.;48385454]there's a link [I]in people who will already get schizophrenia anyways[/I]
if you don't have schizophrenia in your family history, smoking weed won't give you schizophrenia. weed has the ability to cause schizophrenic symptoms to arise in people who already have schizoprenia earlier than they usually would - that's the extent of it
you're not gonna be a schizophrenic from smoking weed. weed just speeds up the process and can exacerbate symptoms. eating a lot of sugar when you have diabetes could kill you, but if you don't have diabetes you can do that and you'll be fine.[/QUOTE]
Genetic predisposition for/family history of schizophrenia does not guarantee that you're going to become schizophrenic, the actual onset of symptoms in people who have the genes for it are triggered by environmental factors, and psychoactive drugs, both medicinal and recreational, stand a pretty good chance of being those triggers due to how they operate. It's possible for someone with a genetic predisposition to never actually develop the condition simply because they never hit the trigger, which is also why it can still happen in people who don't appear to have family history, because they can have the genetics without them or their ancestors displaying symptoms.
[QUOTE=Chaseymusica;48382372]I'm no fun, definitely took a few hits from my friends [b]bong[/b] a couple times and it just hits me weird. I get really nervous and it messes with my anxiety. It's different for some people I guess though, guess I'm not cut out for the life.[/QUOTE]
There's your problem. You are getting way too fucked up, I know the feeling. If you and your friend were smoking through a bong, then that would probably be too intense for a first time smoker. I'd recommend you get some shitty 70's tier weed and hit a pipe, much more pleasant experience.
[QUOTE=Baron von Hax;48384716]Are you serious? I'd be very worried if you were.
I am struggling to put this together without insulting you, because what you said is frankly quite shocking in so many ways. Pretty much all drugs we use derive from plants. As for the 'poisonous tablets and crap that pharmacies sell', well, this speaks for itself. The fact that you'd take weed over drugs from pharmacies is why I fucking love natrual selection.[/QUOTE]
Lol well for example; anti depressants. Taken for depression and anxiety. A side effect of anti depressants are suicidal thoughts.
But weed, it relaxes you, makes you chill out, eases period cramps, tourrettes, arthritis, epilepsy.... And many other health problems, and lifts your mood right up for a while. And paranoia is the most "dangerous" side effect of weed.
...No need to overreact :v:
Bullshit smoking cannabis does not cause lung cancer. You're still inhaling shit that shouldn't be inside your lungs.
Also wtf is the American Psychological Association reporting on medical (physical health) problems?
Also from the study:
"Thus, it would be premature to draw any definitive conclusions about the risk (or lack thereof) of developing cancer from marijuana use (Hashibe et al., 2005)."
Title doesn't match the fucking contents of the study.
[url]http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/adb-adb0000103.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48381204]Still a terrible idea to take recreational drugs when you're a teenager or anywhere during your studies for that matter.
Weed's the kind of thing you should do when you've got a stable job and spare time.[/QUOTE]
weed sparked my interest in calculus and made me inspired to go above and beyond, go figure
To counter the whole "addiction" argument, i'm a heavy marijuana user when i'm at home with my friends (we usually smoke about 4-5g a day) and i'm currently on vacation with my family when i'm with family I have no way to smoke at all. I haven't smoked for about 2 1/2 weeks and i'm feeling no signs of withdrawl so maybe it's just me but dependency seems very unlikely.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;48386997]Bullshit smoking cannabis does not cause lung cancer. You're still inhaling shit that shouldn't be inside your lungs.
Also wtf is the American Psychological Association reporting on medical (physical health) problems?
Also from the study:
"Thus, it would be premature to draw any definitive conclusions about the risk (or lack thereof) of developing cancer from marijuana use (Hashibe et al., 2005)."
Title doesn't match the fucking contents of the study.
[url]http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/adb-adb0000103.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
It's like what's his face said with schizophrenia, it only increases the risk. [I][B]Smoking[/B][/I] weed doesn't guarantee lung cancer, though if you're in the risk group you should consider edibles (which are a fuck ton better anyways).
[QUOTE=DogGunn;48386997]Bullshit smoking cannabis does not cause lung cancer. You're still inhaling shit that shouldn't be inside your lungs.][/QUOTE]
title is correct actually, it's specifically talking about teenage use and it says "does not lead to", not "doesn't increase the risk" (last part is a bit of a stretch but still)
[QUOTE=Megadave;48387146]It's like what's his face said with schizophrenia, it only increases the risk. [I][B]Smoking[/B][/I] weed doesn't guarantee lung cancer, though if you're in the risk group you should consider edibles (which are a fuck ton better anyways).[/QUOTE]
smoking tobacco doesn't guarantee lung cancer. what's your point? [URL="http://www.livescience.com/3093-smoking-myths-examined.html"]about 50%[/URL] of smokers reach old age.
While we're heavily relying on the use of anecdotes as evidence, smoking cannabis made me retarded
[QUOTE=elitehakor;48380934]does it lead to a useless druggie life though
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
kidding that doesn't need to be answered (cos there's already an answer (yes))[/QUOTE]
Anime avatar.
That's all I'm gonna say.
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[QUOTE=Bobie;48385372]why won't these articles admit that there is a well documented link between marijuana and psychosis/schizophrenia?
there are risks involved, and whilst weed definitely isnt as harmful on a large scale as tobacco, it isn't a wonder drug like people claim it is.[/QUOTE]
Where is this well documented link? Most sources say it doesn't cause it but triggers it, some say there is no link at all and some say it increases your chance of getting schizophrenia by 4 times. Few documentaries mentioned the link between marijuana and schizophrenia is mostly because schizophrenic people are trying to treat themselves with cannabis.
"In high doses, THC can induce temporary schizophrenia-like psychotic symptoms such as paranoia, delusions, anxiety and hallucinations. Yet cannabis also contains a cannabinoid known as CBD (or cannabidiol), which appears to have almost the exact opposite effect. Purified CBD has been shown to have antipsychotic and anti-anxiety effects, and can lessen the psychotic symptoms normally experienced by people given high doses of THC. Research by University College London also suggests that people who smoke cannabis rich in CBD are less likely to experience “schizophrenia-like symptoms” than those who smoke cannabis containing only THC."
[URL]http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/16/new-strain-cannabis-treat-psychosis-schizophrenia-gw-pharmaceuticals-david-potter[/URL]
By the way, did you know about 3% of people who are dependent on alcohol experience psychosis? [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_schizophrenia#Alcohol[/URL]
Oh and also this..
Research has shown that alcohol abuse causes an 8-fold increased risk of psychotic disorders in men and a 3 fold increased risk of psychotic disorders in women. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance-induced_psychosis[/URL]
Hardly anyone knows that alcohol can trigger psychosis/schizophrenia as well and its sold everywhere without any warning label.
I'll try to find the documentary with statistics showing the amount of people hospitalized by schizophrenia has been on decrease for years even though cannabis use has been rising very fast.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;48382416]Not at all*
We're talking about Cannabis here, not heroin.[/QUOTE]
Fucking not true. Misinformation is god damn cancer. The shit IS addictive, but not in the conventional sense of the term. You develop a need/want to do something everyday the habit can grow out of control. THERE ARE ISSUES with daily use. Memory retention becomes a bigger and bigger issue with chronic use (its basically worse with tolerance, try doing research and using daily). Long term effects of heavy chronic use are not fully understood yet.
Most people are not habitual and simply don't understand the total truth. That being said... moderation is key.
[QUOTE=adam1172;48383715]Ugh it should be law for news sources to cite the journal/study when making statements like these.
I'm very skeptical about this, its only one study and we don't even completely know the process. From what I'm reading it looks like retrospective cohort and they aren't very ideal.
What marijuana needs is simply more time, do a prospective study and follow the people over the time. RCT would probably be impossible to pull off for this but there have been cases where an RCT completely contradicts other studies putting researchers way back to square one.[/QUOTE]
Marijuana is studied better than most pharma drugs you can buy off a counter.
It's safe.
It's not perfectly safe, but it's safer than alcohol, and you're not really worried about that even slightly so, can we drop this bullshit already?
[editline]6th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48384594]Wrong. All psychoactive substances work by altering the chemical balances in the brain, addiction occurs when the brain adapts to these altered levels, this can happen with any psychoactive substance.
If marijuana wasn't addictive then it wouldn't actually do anything beyond reducing your oxygen intake when you smoke it.
And of course addiction is generally more psychological then physical, in which case anything that causes emotional response can be addictive.[/QUOTE]
I've been a heroin addict. Both forms are addiction, but physical addiction is considerably worse than any psychological addiction.
Eating is about as addictive as marijuana.
It might lead to depression, when you become an adult with real problems and weed no longer gets you high enough to forget them
Did they say exactly how it was consumed? I'm sure smoking it has some harmful effects
[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;48390842]Did they say exactly how it was consumed? I'm sure smoking it has some harmful effects[/QUOTE]
read my post
Sources saying its fine:
"More pot smoking was associated with increases in lung capacity up to a level equivalent to about one joint per day for seven years or one joint per week for up to 49 years. Only at levels of marijuana smoking higher than this did the researchers see a leveling off and then potential reversal of this relationship to improved lung capacity."
[url]http://www.livescience.com/17837-marijuana-lung-health.html[/url]
"They collected data from more than 40,000 cannabis users who participated in the Global Drugs Survey and found that smoking one low-dose marijuana joint per week makes it highly unlikely that long-term health problems will develop."
[url]http://www.thefix.com/content/scientists-claim-one-joint-week-wont-harm-your-health[/url]
"At the level of one marijuana cigarette a week for 49 years, or one joint a day for 7 years, there was no decline in lung function, according to a paper released today by the Journal of the American Medical Association." The study, which followed more than 5,000 people for 20 years
[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-01-10/one-marijuana-joint-a-week-for-49-years-doesn-t-harm-lungs-research-finds[/url]
Sources saying its gonna fuck you up:
"Smoking cannabis just once a week makes a person more likely to suffer respiratory problems, a study has warned.
Users were more likely to suffer symptoms of bronchitis, including coughing in the morning, bringing up phlegm, and wheezing."
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3087876/How-cannabis-wrecks-lungs-ONE-joint-week-likely-suffer-breathing-problems-smoke-regular-tobacco.html[/url]
"‘Young people in particular are smoking cannabis unaware that each cannabis cigarette increases their chances of developing lung cancer by as much as an entire packet of 20 tobacco cigarettes.’"
[url]http://metro.co.uk/2012/06/05/one-cannabis-joint-a-day-is-as-bad-as-20-cigarettes-455838/[/url]
At this point I don't even know what to believe. So according to that last source I have smoked 100-160 cigarettes a day for months and I still don't have cough or wheezing even though I have been smoking weed for 4 years now. I used to smoke 5-10 grams a day starting right away when I woke up going through the whole day smoking every few hours until I couldn't stay awake anymore. Now I smoke gram or two during the weekends when I don't have to worry about waking up to work next morning.
I have few friends who have been smoking weed everyday much longer than I have and I now when I think about it I haven't heard those guys cough like ever unless they take way too big hit from a bong. But when I compare them to people who smoke tobacco.. yeah, coughing every two hours and spitting phlegm.
[QUOTE=rulssi;48391289]Sources saying its fine:
"More pot smoking was associated with increases in lung capacity up to a level equivalent to about one joint per day for seven years or one joint per week for up to 49 years. Only at levels of marijuana smoking higher than this did the researchers see a leveling off and then potential reversal of this relationship to improved lung capacity."
[URL]http://www.livescience.com/17837-marijuana-lung-health.html[/URL]
"They collected data from more than 40,000 cannabis users who participated in the Global Drugs Survey and found that smoking one low-dose marijuana joint per week makes it highly unlikely that long-term health problems will develop."
[URL]http://www.thefix.com/content/scientists-claim-one-joint-week-wont-harm-your-health[/URL]
"At the level of one marijuana cigarette a week for 49 years, or one joint a day for 7 years, there was no decline in lung function, according to a paper released today by the Journal of the American Medical Association." The study, which followed more than 5,000 people for 20 years
[URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-01-10/one-marijuana-joint-a-week-for-49-years-doesn-t-harm-lungs-research-finds[/URL]
Sources saying its gonna fuck you up:
"Smoking cannabis just once a week makes a person more likely to suffer respiratory problems, a study has warned.
Users were more likely to suffer symptoms of bronchitis, including coughing in the morning, bringing up phlegm, and wheezing."
[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3087876/How-cannabis-wrecks-lungs-ONE-joint-week-likely-suffer-breathing-problems-smoke-regular-tobacco.html[/URL]
"‘Young people in particular are smoking cannabis unaware that each cannabis cigarette increases their chances of developing lung cancer by as much as an entire packet of 20 tobacco cigarettes.’"
[URL]http://metro.co.uk/2012/06/05/one-cannabis-joint-a-day-is-as-bad-as-20-cigarettes-455838/[/URL]
At this point I don't even know what to believe. So according to that last source I have smoked 100-160 cigarettes a day for months and I still don't have cough or wheezing even though I have been smoking weed for 4 years now. I used to smoke 5-10 grams a day starting right away when I woke up going through the whole day smoking every few hours until I couldn't stay awake anymore. Now I smoke gram or two during the weekends when I don't have to worry about waking up to work next morning.
I have few friends who have been smoking weed everyday much longer than I have and I now when I think about it I haven't heard those guys cough like ever unless they take way too big hit from a bong. But when I compare them to people who smoke tobacco.. yeah, coughing every two hours and spitting phlegm.[/QUOTE]
People are less concerned with the physical symptoms then the mental ones. Like it or not it's smoking - not what your lungs were designed for. And you don't necessarily need to smoke it.
And there's very little sign of it being a source of mental issues in any way worse than alcohol.
All the calls for legalization to slow down are nonsense. You readily have a much, much worse drug at your finger tips
[QUOTE=old_hag12;48391373]People are less concerned with the physical symptoms then the mental ones. Like it or not it's smoking - not what your lungs were designed for. And you don't necessarily need to smoke it.[/QUOTE]
Well some people were asking about how harmful it is to smoke. Edibles are the way to go, pretty easy to make and last longer but making butter still requires a fair amount of weed and/or leaves/trim. I haven't had chance to try vaporizer yet but I think that's still open topic as well how harmful it is. Honestly I wouldn't suggest trying edibles if its your first time with cannabis. I witnessed just last weekend how much 1 small cookie fucked up my friend who never smokes. He got over it but didn't enjoy it at all. It depends a lot on person too but if you haven't built tolerance for weed the edibles can give you a really bad time.
[QUOTE=rulssi;48391484]Well some people were asking about how harmful it is to smoke. Edibles are the way to go, pretty easy to make and last longer but making butter still requires a fair amount of weed and/or leaves/trim. I haven't had chance to try vaporizer yet but I think that's still open topic as well how harmful it is. Honestly I wouldn't suggest trying edibles if its your first time with cannabis. I witnessed just last weekend how much 1 small cookie fucked up my friend who never smokes. He got over it but didn't enjoy it at all. It depends a lot on person too but if you haven't built tolerance for weed the edibles can give you a really bad time.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand fully the vape and edibles subject but I believe there will be some research coming out the next few years suggesting the other other cannabinoids help to chemically 'balance' the THC and any possible negative effects. So extremely high levels of pure THC may not turn out to be a good call.
It's very new field of research. If you have qualms - the best suggestion I have for people is to just use good filtering - whatever it may be, and stay away from growers who use pesticides.
[QUOTE=old_hag12;48391552]I don't understand fully the vape and edibles subject but I believe there will be some research coming out the next few years suggesting the other other cannabinoids help to chemically 'balance' the THC and any possible negative effects. So extremely high levels of pure THC may not turn out to be a good call.
It's very new field of research. If you have qualms - the best suggestion I have for people is to just use good filtering - whatever it may be, and stay away from growers who use pesticides.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's anything new that CBD counteracts the "psychotic symptoms" of THC. The research was done years ago, you just have to look for it.
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