Police in London called to reports of beheading. Shots fired - Polidicks

Hate it when stuff like this happens, all you hear/read is the same old shit from people saying they are proud to be british etc. Yea I think people get it by now but the goverment wont do anything so stop posting the same old crap..

The social media stuff is really disheartening, that facebook group dedicated to his memory is full of people wanting 'them filthy pakis' to go back home.I'd really hate being a muslim in this country right now or even being of middle eastern descent.

[QUOTE=Amsay;40753259]"Even if religion didn't exist people would still find a reason to kill each other." Don't you think that, if this was the case, those reasons would be addressed? The motive behind the killer understood? It seems to me as if people are skirting around the issue merely because religion seems to be the primary motive. Theism seems to get some automatic protection because if you call it out you are 'disrespectful'. Religion is all well and good when it brings no harm to your fellow man. Bet when it can be used as justification to murder somebody, as it has been for centuries, you have a problem. Let me clarify that I don't agree with the mouth breathers on facebook spouting shit like "I'm not racist but we should kill all the dirty smelly ragheads", I am just pointing out how the killer's incentive to kill someone is being ignored because it is such a touchy subject.[/QUOTE] You view Religion as a flawed ideology formed by man, right? If it didn't exist, then similar ideologies would still remain.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;40756108]Because this site is secretly full of xenophobic racists that use the thin veil of "culture" and "crime" to justify their discriminatory beliefs.[/QUOTE] But most of all it is full of self-righteous people who think they are so good-hearted and "not racist", but in reality can't see further than their own nose, that uses the epithets "racist" and "xenophobic" to justify a type of immigration that causes segregation, which in turn causes crimes and other forms of aggression towards the authority and society as a whole.

[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;40755656]Assimilate to your culture? So everyone who goes to England should abandon everything about their culture and automatically become English? Also gj quoting yourself from the same exact thread.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between keeping part of your culture and completely excluding yourself from British society. Unless you think that Pakistani people living all together in one area where the shop signs are in Arabic, everyone wears traditional clothing, the women wear veils and English is seldom spoken is perfectly okay and something no one should ever question? [editline]edit[/editline] I don't know which I dislike more, ignorant racists who group all Muslims as the same, or ignorant liberals who dismiss any concern about immigration as 'racist' or 'xenophobic'

Holy crap... like, wow this thread... just wow.

[QUOTE=butt2089;40756832]Unless you think that Pakistani people living all together in one area where the shop signs are in Arabic, everyone wears traditional clothing, the women wear veils and English is seldom spoken is perfectly okay and something no one should ever question?[/QUOTE] Out of interest why is this not okay in your opinion?

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;40757966]Holy crap... like, wow this thread... just wow.[/QUOTE] its been a pleasure to read

[QUOTE=Bobie;40755294]britain was never like this, ever[/QUOTE] I'm sure you'd know, cause you were there at the time!?

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40758353]I'm sure you'd know, cause you were there at the time!?[/QUOTE] That statement works both ways Scope old pal

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;40758353]I'm sure you'd know, cause you were there at the time!?[/QUOTE] You do realise things are safer now more than they have ever really been?

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;40758405]That statement works both ways Scope old pal[/QUOTE] Mate, violent crimes are dropping non stop. You could never leave your door unlocked here, now stop being a fucking knuckle dragger.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;40758478][img]http://puu.sh/2ZMlN.png[/img] there we go[/QUOTE] I look forward to their banning notifications in the ticker.

[QUOTE=butt2089;40756832]There's a difference between keeping part of your culture and completely excluding yourself from British society. Unless you think that Pakistani people living all together in one area where the shop signs are in Arabic, everyone wears traditional clothing, the women wear veils and English is seldom spoken is perfectly okay and something no one should ever question?[/QUOTE] Breaking: people gather with people from their country. More at seven.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40758450]Mate, violent crimes are dropping non stop. You could never leave your door unlocked here, now stop being a fucking knuckle dragger.[/QUOTE] Um okay, I said literally nothing to refute the point that crime is dropping, I was only saying that trying to disprove someone based on the notion of "You weren't there you can't possibly know" is a two-edged blade. But thanks for the insult mate

[QUOTE=Hellsten;40756729]But most of all it is full of self-righteous people who think they are so good-hearted and "not racist", but in reality can't see further than their own nose, that uses the epithets "racist" and "xenophobic" to justify a type of immigration that causes segregation, which in turn causes crimes and other forms of aggression towards the authority and society as a whole.[/QUOTE] What are your suggested solutions then?

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;40759021]What are your suggested solutions then?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1272466&p=40744978&viewfull=1#post40744978"]Post #259[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40758492]I look forward to their banning notifications in the ticker.[/QUOTE] I don't think I've ever seen someone banned for agreeing with a retarded post to be honest.

this thread brings out the best in people

[QUOTE=froztshock;40759199]I don't think I've ever seen someone banned for agreeing with a retarded post to be honest.[/QUOTE] No, but they'll post stupid shit enough to get the chop, knowing this lot.

[QUOTE=Aspen;40759230]this thread brings out the best in people[/QUOTE] dem gersh dern brown peeple takin away muh proud english heritage ;_; ;_;

[QUOTE=Diet Kane;40759275]dem gersh dern brown peeple takin away muh proud english heritage ;_; ;_;[/QUOTE] yeah and a ton of people i know that are in the UK are like "my country's not racist at all!" this thread tells me otherwise

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40759232]No, but they'll post stupid shit enough to get the chop, knowing this lot.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't mind it turning out like that myself.

[QUOTE=Memobot;40751365]Can anyone on here confirm whether Fox News has a huge rallying cry right now for the UK to allow guns on a broad scale? Just a rumour I've heard, but if it's true I've it to ask: how would it have made any difference in this scenario? The soldier was apparently jumped unexpectedly, and 'the right guy with the gun' came and dealt with the two attackers.[/QUOTE] Knife crime is the bigger problem anyway, wouldn't want to arm everyone with those

[QUOTE=Hellsten;40759144][URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1272466&p=40744978&viewfull=1#post40744978"]Post #259[/URL][/QUOTE] k except you never really made a valid rebuttal against the fact that your country is suffering from a labour shortage so slowing down immigration will kill your economy, theres a reason every single western country has to increase their immigration

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;40754230]Aye, cause the mass media love fear, they hype up everything, why the fuck do you think the Daily Mail sells so much. And really I don't give a flying fuck what your parents say, they're fucking wrong. [url]http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence.html[/url] I hate being that guy who goes "AWW HEER M8, CHEK DIS TED TOK," but it pretty much illustrates everything I was gonna say through multiple other sources. Frankly worldwide, this is the least violent point in time we have ever experienced as a species.[/QUOTE] I love these kind of lectures/debates (the video), seriously I love serious discussions. But after watching that I can't take it seriously, even though he has some good points he cherry picks a lot. You can't do that with a study where the range of statistics is so long. Infact he the task he has took on is a nightmare due to the scale of the study. To start off he fucks up with the "Hunter-Gatherers" being violent (aka the dawn of man). What he described was Agriculturalists not Hunter-Gatherers because they were fighting over resources. Food and resources was abundant until the day someone "took more than their share" and had power and influence over others. That's where violence comes into play because people would have been starving and fighting those who were greedy. Statistically there was so few of us in paleolithic times that if we had been killing each other like described in the video WE WOULDN'T BE HERE NOW. We would have probably become extinct because bringing up children required a lot of "team work", more so than ever in any time period. You have the mortality rate for starters, natural selection most babies born in the wild die in those first few precious moments. The time it also takes to the raise children is in important note also, more than two if our populations were to rise. It's been also discovered that from Paleolithic times to Mesolithic (the transition from Hunter Gatherer into some agricultural tribes) that more remains/bones were found to have blunt force trauma (suggesting death by other humans, yes not ALL but when the stats rise on such an occasion one can only assume the cause). Once we finally all went agricultural in the Neolithic period that's when things would have gotten a bit heated between our own species because the seed of greed must have developed somewhere. In the big picture of war not murder in society. I think it'll only get worse, we technology now where people are killing others behind a screen (drones). We've turned War into a profitable business where bank executives have a vested interest and politicians can get their pockets lined. All in the name of democracy and free enterprise. Gone off on a tangent about War instead of just murder within society, but it's all apart of it I guess, there's always the same motivations involved, danger or greed. Outside of culture going to shit and gang ideology being pumped into idiot poor kid's brains on TV (You haven't got a future, but you feel safer in numbers right?) I believe in the long run when it comes to war, we're fucked and it's not far off.

Today on facebook someone said "not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslim" non-ironically. Oh god what, why is everyone on facebook suddenly racist.

[QUOTE=EndOfTheWorld;40759506]To start off he fucks up with the "Hunter-Gatherers" being violent (aka the dawn of man). What he described was Agriculturalists not Hunter-Gatherers because they were fighting over resources.[/quote] But hunter-gatherers were violent. Violent death rates among hunter gathers ranged from 15% to 60%, and this is confirmed by the number of excavated graves, the skeletons, and contemporary societies that hunter-gather. [quote]Food and resources was abundant until the day someone "took more than their share" and had power and influence over others.[/quote] This is actually a patent falsehood. Food and resources is more abundant today than it ever was in the paleolithic. In fact, most skeletons from that time were shown to frequently have suffered from malnutrition, resulting in stunted growth, shorter lifespans, etc. Up until the Neolithic, most humans spent much of their time starving. [quote]That's where violence comes into play because people would have been starving and fighting those who were greedy. Statistically there was so few of us in paleolithic times that if we had been killing each other like described in the video WE WOULDN'T BE HERE NOW.[/quote] Birth rates were also high. And just because most people died from violent causes doesn't mean the population can be stable. [quote]We would have probably become extinct because bringing up children required a lot of "team work", more so than ever in any time period. You have the mortality rate for starters, natural selection most babies born in the wild die in those first few precious moments. The time it also takes to the raise children is in important note also, more than two if our populations were to rise.[/quote] Evolutionary Psychology and Biology helps to explain the development of early human societies and how evolutionary pressures allowed for traits like altruism to pop up. [quote]It's been also discovered that from Paleolithic times to Mesolithic (the transition from Hunter Gatherer into some agricultural tribes) that more remains/bones were found to have blunt force trauma (suggesting death by other humans, yes not ALL but when the stats rise on such an occasion one can only assume the cause).[/quote] But violent death rates began to drop with the advent of agriculture. Even given the massive purges of Stalin and Hitler, the holocaust, and the world wars, the death rates from those wars did not come close to hunter-gatherer societies (to give a comparison, at most, 12% of the population of the USSR died). [quote]Once we finally all went agricultural in the Neolithic period that's when things would have gotten a bit heated between our own species because the seed of greed must have developed somewhere.[/quote] The only thing that changed was we realized we could grow food, and so land became a valuable commodity once the population grew and competition over scarce resources arose. [quote]In the big picture of war not murder in society. I think it'll only get worse, we technology now where people are killing others behind a screen (drones). We've turned War into a profitable business where bank executives have a vested interest and politicians can get their pockets lined. All in the name of democracy and free enterprise.[/quote] War isn't actually profitable unless you are a rent-seeker. The Rothchilds are blamed for starting war with their financial habits, but those actions actually cost them a great deal of money, and they found that peace was more profitable than war. Plus if it's getting worse, why has deaths due to violent means and warfare continued to drop? [quote]Gone off on a tangent about War instead of just murder within society, but it's all apart of it I guess, there's always the same motivations involved, danger or greed. Outside of culture going to shit and gang ideology being pumped into idiot poor kid's brains on TV (You haven't got a future, but you feel safer in numbers right?) I believe in the long run when it comes to war, we're fucked and it's not far off.[/QUOTE] On what basis, that having seen nothing but improvement behind us, we are to expect the opposite for the future?

[quote]Slowly and slowly I am becoming more and more xenophobic. I hate to say it but I'm fed up of seeing people try to justify their actions by saying "It happens all the time in my country! This government is shit!" Why are they here if they hate everything about us? They're only here to make our lives shitty and then they try to justify it by saying it happens all the time in their shitskin raghead countries. This is terrorism. Plain and simple. People get all upset when people suggest that we don't want any more immigrants in this country, we get branded as racists and xenophobes because a vocal and extremist minority of foreigner ruin it for the majority of foreigners here who have good work skills and ethic. This has seriously pissed me off. (User was banned for this post ("Xenophobia and Racism" - Megafan))[/quote] [QUOTE=Hellsten;40745312]That's not xenophobic. That's a natural and healthy reaction.[/QUOTE] n o [editline]24th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=uzikus;40741620]Yaaaay! Muslims! Don't you just love these people?[/QUOTE] i know i'm late here but i'd really like you to take a long hard look at your life and your views [editline]24th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Scrimp;40741793]Bastards should be hung drawn and quartered.[/QUOTE] NICE ONE MATE KEEP THIS SHIT UP [editline]24th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SCopE5000;40758353]I'm sure you'd know, cause you were there at the time!?[/QUOTE] yeah we have this thing called oral and written histories

looks like new-Afghanistan is doing great