The Nordic Resistance Movement Demonstrating in Falun, Sweden - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RB33;52180899]No, it was because of the out of touch political establishment, people wanted change. So they voted the one which they thought offered the greatest shakeup. If it was Bernie running, he would have won against Trump or any other republican.[/QUOTE] If you voted for Trump, you either listened to the Sexist, Racist shit he was saying and [i]agreed[/i] with it, making you a racist, or you heard all that shit and simply [i]didn't care[/i], making you a racist. Either way, if you heard all the shit Trump was saying and still bought into the Republican-manufactured conspiracy theories about the Clintons of the last 25 years, then you're an idiot.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;52181060]If you voted for Trump, you either listened to the Sexist, Racist shit he was saying and [i]agreed[/i] with it, making you a racist, or you heard all that shit and simply [i]didn't care[/i], making you a racist. Either way, if you heard all the shit Trump was saying and still bought into the Republican-manufactured conspiracy theories about the Clintons of the last 25 years, then you're an idiot.[/QUOTE] No, that logic doesn't work. Germans for the most part accepted the Nazi regime didn't make them all nazis, same with Russia. You don't become something because you just accepted it, you need to actively agree and/or spread it.

Germans for the most part accepted the nazi regime because they [I]didn't have a choice[/I]

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52181162]Germans for the most part accepted the nazi regime because they [I]didn't have a choice[/I][/QUOTE] Yes, and people who voted for Trump might not have felt like they had a choice if they were voting for the anti-establishment. Trump might be racist/whatever, he still wasn't part of the establishment. Unless people were racists previously, they're not racists for voting Trump.

[QUOTE=RB33;52181197]Yes, and people who voted for Trump might not have felt like they had a choice if they were voting for the anti-establishment. Trump might be racist/whatever, he still wasn't part of the establishment. Unless people were racists previously, they're not racists for voting Trump.[/QUOTE] Here's how I see it, being racist isn't something you either are or aren't because most people have had racist thoughts or done racist things at some point - so really almost everbody is or has been a racist. I'd say voting trump was a racist thing to do though.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52181252]Here's how I see it, being racist isn't something you either are or aren't because most people have had racist thoughts or done racist things at some point - so really almost everbody is or has been a racist. I'd say voting trump was a racist thing to do though.[/QUOTE] That's a really low bar for being racist, it's devaluing the word and downplays actual harmful people. It really doesn't help calling people racist all the time either.

[QUOTE=RB33;52181293]That's a really low bar for being racist, it's devaluing the word and downplays actual harmful people. It really doesn't help calling people racist all the time either.[/QUOTE] [quote=trump on why judge shouldn't be able to do his job]He's a mexican[/quote]

[QUOTE=RB33;52181293]That's a really low bar for being racist, it's devaluing the word and downplays actual harmful people. It really doesn't help calling people racist all the time either.[/QUOTE] I certainly don't call people racist very often, but I don't see how I'm wrong in thinking it's racist to vote for someone who is a racist and makes that very apparent in the very political game he's playing and one would be voting for. If people felt that voting against the establishment was more important that's fine, sometimes you gotta make sacrifices, even if those sacrifices include minority rights.. Isn't that the point? The intention may not be racist, but the act certainly is - it's all for the greater good or something?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;52181325][/QUOTE] There could be a valid conflict of interest depending on the case, as an example, if you appoint a Mexican as as immigration judge dealing with primarly mexicans, there might be a bias there. This logic applies to everything, if you appointed a Republican to judge in a political corruption trial involving other Republicans, it would be the same. But rather than forbid them from taking the job, they can simply not do the cases where an apparent bias might exist. [editline]3rd May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;52181327]I certainly don't call people racist very often, but I don't see how I'm wrong in thinking it's racist to vote for someone who is a racist and makes that very apparent in the very political game he's playing and one would be voting for. If people felt that voting against the establishment was more important that's fine, sometimes you gotta make sacrifices, even if those sacrifices include minority rights.. Isn't that the point? The intention may not be racist, but the act certainly is - it's all for the greater good or something?[/QUOTE] Because you're not the one being racist, your candidate is. You can't be held responsible for everything, your candidate does. US politics are definitely about picking the 'lesser evil' since you only got 2 primary parties, with no serious inbetween or more extreme options to pick. If you're bringing back the jobs, shaking up the corrupt politicans while you might be implementing harsh policies seen as racist by some. It's for the greater good, yes.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;52180885]Anyone who picked trump because they thought he was better than Clinton sucks as bad as Trump tbh. Trump demonstrated himself to be a caricature of a bad candidate and still people voted for him. I honestly believe that Trump won because the people who voted for him were finally happy that racism, sexism, and xenophobia are acceptable in politics again. I really do believe that racism is the #1 factor that got trump elected[/QUOTE] This is so wrong, and is how you alienate most of the country from your views. Call everyone a racist sexist because Hillary didn't win. I know many who voted Trump out of a level of acceletrationism, the fact of the matter is, the old system is broken and caving in on itself and people want something radically different to further end that system. Hell, I thought a Trump victory would bring about some reform in the Democratic Party aswell, but instead people like you are instead blaming some racist sexist voterbase instead of the failure of the democratic party and their awful candidate. The problem is that both parties alienated their voterbases to the point to where a Trump victory was possible, it had little to do with actual racism (the alt right as a movement is nothing compared to the large voting base in America), but with the alienation of the voters from the system. People were sick of left center vs right center and wanted further left like Sanders, sanders of course was cheated out and the democratic party ignored the demand for reforms and decided to choose the most unpopular individual in history. Hillary represented the establishment, the corruption, all the problems of the current political system of America, Trump was seen as a nutcase, a wild card, who would either change the system for the better or make it so bad that the system could no longer sustain itself and there would have to be reform from both parties. That is why Trump won, more people I met voted for Trump for this reason than "i hate the blacks the jews the gypsies" kind of stuff. They voted for Trump because the system needed to die, and now that the time for the democratic party to change itself is here, they instead reject the notion and continue the same neoliberal push for more clintons for more wall street influence. The same thing they and the Republican party have been doing for years. Instead of addrsssing their issues, the democratic party is calling everyone racist for their mistakes, and will likely not learn anything and fail again in 2020. The time for change is now, and you are ignoring it, instead blaming it on the voterbase and not your own awful candidates. Slavoj Zizek explained this well [video=youtube;3JZmwQAZmak]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JZmwQAZmak[/video]

[QUOTE=RB33;52181580]Because you're not the one being racist, your candidate is. You can't be held responsible for everything, your candidate does. US politics are definitely about picking the 'lesser evil' since you only got 2 primary parties, with no serious inbetween or more extreme options to pick. If you're bringing back the jobs, shaking up the corrupt politicans while you might be implementing harsh policies seen as racist by some. It's for the greater good, yes.[/QUOTE] I mean you're right and I agree with what you're saying and I suppose that in the case of the trump vs clinton election perhaps especially so.

[QUOTE=RB33;52181293]That's a really low bar for being racist, it's devaluing the word and downplays actual harmful people. It really doesn't help calling people racist all the time either.[/QUOTE] Trump has lost discrimination cases in court because he wouldn't sell nicer apartments to black people, instead preferring to sell them lower end apartments that he sold to other black buyers, effectively segregating his properties.

[QUOTE=ImUnstoppable;52181743]This is so wrong, and is how you alienate most of the country from your views. Call everyone a racist sexist because Hillary didn't win. I know many who voted Trump out of a level of acceletrationism, the fact of the matter is, the old system is broken and caving in on itself and people want something radically different to further end that system. Hell, I thought a Trump victory would bring about some reform in the Democratic Party aswell, but instead people like you are instead blaming some racist sexist voterbase instead of the failure of the democratic party and their awful candidate. The problem is that both parties alienated their voterbases to the point to where a Trump victory was possible, it had little to do with actual racism (the alt right as a movement is nothing compared to the large voting base in America), but with the alienation of the voters from the system. People were sick of left center vs right center and wanted further left like Sanders, sanders of course was cheated out and the democratic party ignored the demand for reforms and decided to choose the most unpopular individual in history. Hillary represented the establishment, the corruption, all the problems of the current political system of America, Trump was seen as a nutcase, a wild card, who would either change the system for the better or make it so bad that the system could no longer sustain itself and there would have to be reform from both parties. That is why Trump won, more people I met voted for Trump for this reason than "i hate the blacks the jews the gypsies" kind of stuff. They voted for Trump because the system needed to die, and now that the time for the democratic party to change itself is here, they instead reject the notion and continue the same neoliberal push for more clintons for more wall street influence. The same thing they and the Republican party have been doing for years. Instead of addrsssing their issues, the democratic party is calling everyone racist for their mistakes, and will likely not learn anything and fail again in 2020. The time for change is now, and you are ignoring it, instead blaming it on the voterbase and not your own awful candidates. Slavoj Zizek explained this well [video=youtube;3JZmwQAZmak]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JZmwQAZmak[/video][/QUOTE] Even Zizek doesn't agree with accelerationism any more though