Hong Kong: Pro-Democracy Rallies Continue Despite Crackdown - Polidicks

I'm a little worried that these protests are going to make China not want to do political reforms in the future. China has experimented with political reforms in the 90's by allowing villages to elect their leaders from a selection of Beijing approved candidates. It seems like the government tried to implement such a reform (and it is a reform, no matter how small and pointless it seems. Changes in China are done very gradually so as not to disrupt harmony) in Hong Kong and the protests will confirm their fears that are engrained in every Party member's head from the failure of Gorbachev's reforms, that political reforms lead to overthrow. As opposed to doing it gradually, they may just decide to stop doing it all if it is just going to lead to even more demands for freedom. Of course, Hong Kong is very different from the Mainland. Perhaps similar reforms will occur in the other cities? I can't say.

The whole thing just boils down to sensationalist media like Apple Daily fanning these pants-on-head teens to go violent They cover the negative side of the riot control but nobody realize the [i]protestors[/i] are affecting a lot of people for something in you can't change in a short term Their original target is so washed down by the mob mentality it becomes a whole lot of people getting angry at nothing (If I post this comment on some local website I'm pretty sure I'll get mobbed the next morning) You can't really compare this to Tiananmen or Kiev because the goal is honestly unreasonable from the beginning if you put research into it

[video=youtube;0r4jKkcDA7E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r4jKkcDA7E[/video]

[QUOTE=Super2Donny;46097994]The whole thing just boils down to sensationalist media like Apple Daily fanning these pants-on-head teens to go violent They cover the negative side of the riot control but nobody realize the [I]protestors[/I] are affecting a lot of people for something in you can't change in a short term Their original target is so washed down by the mob mentality it becomes a whole lot of people is just getting angry at nothing (If I post this comment on some local website I'm pretty sure I'll get mobbed the next morning) You can't really compare this to Tiananmen or Kiev because the goal is honestly unreasonable from the beginning if you put research into it[/QUOTE] Yup, these actions are going to cause a lot of troubles and the economy of Hong Kong will suffer. But I doubt this event will escalate to the current situation if it wasn't for some bad decisions on the government's side. Like, if they didn't build that wall outside the Government office, or if they didn't arrest Wong chi-fung, people wouldn't be this pissed and the number of protesters won't be this high. Hell, if they just replied to those protesters briefly with generic answers like "I understand your concerns." then don't do anything, the protesters would probably go "We've achieved another stage of victory, now let's applause for ourselves." and leave just like they did before.

[QUOTE=Super2Donny;46097994]The whole thing just boils down to sensationalist media like Apple Daily fanning these pants-on-head teens to go violent They cover the negative side of the riot control but nobody realize the [i]protestors[/i] are affecting a lot of people for something in you can't change in a short term Their original target is so washed down by the mob mentality it becomes a whole lot of people getting angry at nothing (If I post this comment on some local website I'm pretty sure I'll get mobbed the next morning) You can't really compare this to Tiananmen or Kiev because the goal is honestly unreasonable from the beginning if you put research into it[/QUOTE] ugh desiring self-government what [I]hippies[/I]

Also, it is a really bad decision for the police to use tear gas on the protesters in my opinion. I mean, they aren't burning cars or actively trying to harm the police. The whole event have been pretty peaceful most of the time. Meanwhile, the designer of the police's banners must be retarded. Who would put "We are going to use Tear Gas" and "Stay back or we'll shoot" on the two sides of the same banner. This have caused a lot of troubles today. [editline]28th September 2014[/editline] Well, no matter what happen after this, Hong Kong will no longer be the same.

[QUOTE=bitches;46098462]ugh desiring self-government what [I]hippies[/I][/QUOTE] hello ignorant internet person you would be informed since you live in hong kong do you not

[QUOTE=Super2Donny;46098597]hello ignorant internet person you would be informed since you live in hong kong do you not[/QUOTE] You know sometimes an outside perspective is a lot more insightful.

[QUOTE=Super2Donny;46098597]hello ignorant internet person you would be informed since you live in hong kong do you not[/QUOTE] People are angry right now because the government is hiding behind walls all day and ignoring their opinions. They aren't getting angry at nothing. While it is true that people might get mobbed posting stuffs supporting the government on the Internet, most of these posts made no sense or lack any real points other than 'the protesters are bad people, I hate them'. [editline]28th September 2014[/editline] People are feeling that they are losing the autonomy China 'promised'. That's one of the reasons why they're seeking for democracy.

I hope this spills over into the rest of China. 60 years of communist brutality is 60 years too long.

[QUOTE=Thlis;46099000]I hope this spills over into the rest of China. 60 years of communist brutality is 60 years too long.[/QUOTE] A sudden change on China's system would only end up bad. This need to be done gradually. This might work in Hong Kong because the UK used to rule it and people are more familiar with the concept of democracy, and people are seeking for more democracy for quite some time already.

[QUOTE=jason3232;46099079]A sudden change on China's system would only end up bad. This need to be done gradually. This might work in Hong Kong because the UK used to rule it and people are more familiar with the concept of democracy, and people are seeking for more democracy for quite some time already.[/QUOTE] If it spills over into the rest of China then I assume it would be that much harder to contain. It would be a lot more difficult to send tanks throughout all of China than just one area. It may be painful but maybe 10 years of hell would be better than 100 years of misery. [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;46099815]I don't have the exact term since my Poli-Sci textbook ain't anywhere near, but "bottom-up" revolutions (revolutions started by the commoners, as opposed to top-down which is from the ruling elite) tend to be bloody and change little to nothing. If China is to have a revolution, it needs to come from within the party or their wealthy elite.[/QUOTE] But how likely is it to ever come from the top?

[QUOTE=Thlis;46099769]If it spills over into the rest of China then I assume it would be that much harder to contain. It would be a lot more difficult to send tanks throughout all of China than just one area. It may be painful but maybe 10 years of hell would be better than 100 years of misery.[/QUOTE] I don't have the exact term since my Poli-Sci textbook ain't anywhere near, but "bottom-up" revolutions (revolutions started by the commoners, as opposed to top-down which is from the ruling elite) tend to be bloody and change little to nothing. If China is to have a revolution, it needs to come from within the party or their wealthy elite.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;46099815]I don't have the exact term since my Poli-Sci textbook ain't anywhere near, but "bottom-up" revolutions (revolutions started by the commoners, as opposed to top-down which is from the ruling elite) tend to be bloody and change little to nothing. If China is to have a revolution, it needs to come from within the party or their wealthy elite.[/QUOTE] Yeah for some reason I don't think the Communist party would want to break apart the Communist party

Update: It's continuing to happen [img]http://imgkk.com/i/g6hn.jpg[/img] [img]http://imgkk.com/i/kgsy.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-29398962[/url] [quote]Hong Kong police have used tear gas to disperse thousands of pro-democracy protesters near the government complex, after a week of escalating tensions. Dozens of demonstrators were arrested, with hundreds vowing to stay put to continue the protest. Protesters want the Chinese government to scrap rules allowing it to vet Hong Kong's top leader in the 2017 poll. Hong Kong Chief Executive CY Leung said the demonstration was "illegal" and elections would go ahead as planned. China has also condemned the protest, and offered "its strong backing" to the Hong Kong government. The broader Occupy Central protest movement threw its weight behind the student-led protests on Sunday, bringing forward a mass civil disobedience campaign due to start on Wednesday.[/quote]

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[QUOTE]P[B]rotests bring Hong Kong to a standstill.[/B] Police officers stand as protesters try to block a street to the financial Central district, near the government headquarters in Hong Kong. [t]https://s.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/jF15Xw2AMkl5_JbA9La6Hw--/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2ZpPWZpbGw7dz04Njg7cT05MDtuPTE7cm90YXRlPWF1dG8-/https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/140929/tear_gas_hong_kong_protests_1a2hon0-1a2honb.jpg[/t] [t]https://s.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/Y3nI_kG2jojBORrbO9Q7Nw--/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2ZpPWZpbGw7dz04Njg7cT05MDtuPTE7cm90YXRlPWF1dG8-/https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/140929/hong_kong_umbrella_1a2hq9g-1a2hq9n.jpg[/t] [t]https://s.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/OPXUS9CYUhLACOn4z4V.ZA--/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2ZpPWZpbGw7dz04Njg7cT05MDtuPTE7cm90YXRlPWF1dG8-/https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/140929/protests_hong_kong_800_1a2hoii-1a2hokv.jpg[/t] Source: [URL]https://au.news.yahoo.com/galleries/g/25134569/protests-bring-hong-kong-to-a-standstill/25134570/?cmp=fb[/URL][/QUOTE] This was just on my FB wall.....