Paradox pulls "discriminatory" Stellaris mod that made all human - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bazsil;50386447]We embrace the idea that players mod the game to best represent how they want to play, unless its something that we don't like. Seriously, who the fuck cares? This has to be the most trivial shit ever. Both that someone went through the effort of making it, but moreso that they went through the effort of axing it.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously going to support freedom of expression in this case when it is clearly an example of a nutjob pushing their shitty white-superiority message? The only good argument I've seen for keeping the mod is for people who want to roleplay as spacefaring Nazis, but even then they should probably re-think what they are even doing in the first place.

Hopefully they stick to their guns on this one and don't give in to the vocal minority.

[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;50386821]Are you seriously going to support freedom of expression in this case when it is clearly an example of a nutjob pushing their shitty white-superiority message? The only good argument I've seen for keeping the mod is for people who want to roleplay as spacefaring Nazis, but even then they should probably re-think what they are even doing in the first place.[/QUOTE] but playing as a horrible despot is the best part of grand strategy games

[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;50386821]Are you seriously going to support freedom of expression in this case when it is clearly an example of a nutjob pushing their shitty white-superiority message? The only good argument I've seen for keeping the mod is for people who want to roleplay as spacefaring Nazis, but even then they should probably re-think what they are even doing in the first place.[/QUOTE] can't have the good things of free speech without the bad.

Someone go make a X-ethnicity only mod wihtout all the underlying agenda and I bet Paradox wouldn't give a crap.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50386813]I'm pretty sure if it was just a mod that added in a species that was just scarred up grizzled white guys, no one would care it was the creator parading around with his deus volk stormfront shit that got his mod shitcanned[/QUOTE] but don't you know? according to wii60 a publisher excercising their right to have an opinion is just politically correct censorship!

[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;50386821]Are you seriously going to support freedom of expression in this case when it is clearly an example of a nutjob pushing their shitty white-superiority message? The only good argument I've seen for keeping the mod is for people who want to roleplay as spacefaring Nazis, but even then they should probably re-think what they are even doing in the first place.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I am

[QUOTE=Wii60;50386848]can't have the good things of free speech without the bad.[/QUOTE] yes, free speech, a concept that means publishers can't express their opinions oh wait that isn't what free speech is at all?

[QUOTE=bitches;50386856]yes, free speech, a concept that means publishers can't express their opinions oh wait that isn't what free speech is at all?[/QUOTE] Paradox could of went "we do not endorse this mod because being a racist is really shitty" and just left it at that, but instead they took it down, silencing someone elses opinion. That would of let them express themselves and still let free speech thrive.

Why are you playing as Humans, anyway? Custom races are where it's at.

[QUOTE=Laferio;50386726]I don't understand this kind of logic lol. Make a game that allows you to literally enslave alien species- and choose literal government archetypes that allows your specific civilization xenophobia. Become a dictator that literally commits genocide against his own people when they want to migrate elsewhere. Commit genocide against other alien species in the name of humanity or whatever species you choose. Promote literal speciesism in that your civilization will enslave- then purge non-star faring civilizations, effectively making certain species extinct, and never to be heard of again. But oh fuck, you want a specific human phenotype? Burn in hell racist scum.[/QUOTE] Because it's actually offensive to an actual real group of people that actually exist? Their policy already says no racism. I don't see how removing racist mods isn't an extension of that.

[QUOTE=Wii60;50386880]Paradox could of went "we do not endorse this mod because <blah>" and just left it at that, but instead they took it down, silencing someone elses opinion. That would of let them express themselves and still let free speech thrive.[/QUOTE] It's their platform. They're a game company, not a political forum. If they don't like what you do or you say, they aren't obligated to let you use their stuff. And as long as people are free to upload their stuff elsewhere, I don't see what the issue is.

[QUOTE=Wii60;50386880]Paradox could of went "we do not endorse this mod because being a racist is really shitty" and just left it at that, but instead they took it down, silencing someone elses opinion. That would of let them express themselves and still let free speech thrive.[/QUOTE] That's basically exactly what they did. They don't endorse it so they took it off their own hosting. It's still available on third parties.

[QUOTE=Rubs10;50386889]Because it's actually offensive to an actual real group of people that actually exist maybe?[/QUOTE] didn't stop them from adding an "expel the jews" button in Crusader Kings :v

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50386909]didn't stop them from adding an "expel the jews" button in Crusader Kings :v[/QUOTE] To be fair, they had it coming. 550 gold for a negligible hit to Diplomacy is too good to pass up.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50386909]didn't stop them from adding an "expel the jews" button in Crusader Kings :v[/QUOTE] That makes sense within the context of the game. You can kill all the Christians if you want.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;50386881]Why are you playing as Humans, anyway? Custom races are where it's at.[/QUOTE] Thats the biggest take away here. Why play as boring ass fascist humans when you could literally play as fascist mushroom people?

[QUOTE=axelord157;50386943]Thats the biggest take away here. Why play as boring ass fascist humans when you could literally play as fascist mushroom people?[/QUOTE] Especially so considering how amazing the alien portraits are in Stellaris. [thumb]http://www.stellariswiki.com/images/4/47/Avian_massive_16.png[/thumb]

[QUOTE=axelord157;50386943]Thats the biggest take away here. Why play as boring ass fascist humans when you could literally play as fascist mushroom people?[/QUOTE] Reptilian Jews that find Sol and do crazy experiments on hoomans. My only thoughts on this are that it isn't a big deal whether its on the workshop or not, the only thing that bugs me is that it gets more traction and negativity because it involves white people and I don't think anyone would make a big deal out of this if it was something else.

[QUOTE=Wii60;50386880]Paradox could of went "we do not endorse this mod because being a racist is really shitty" and just left it at that, but instead they took it down, silencing someone elses opinion. That would of let them express themselves and still let free speech thrive.[/QUOTE] [B]you[/B] are the one crying about expression of freedom the mod STILL EXISTS ELSEWHERE yet you're saying they MUST host a blatantly and unapologetically racist mod on their own servers, silencing the publisher's own free speech? you are exactly as bad as you imagine your false "Politically Correct" social crisis to be, and advocate the same things you pretend to fight

[QUOTE=Wii60;50386880]Paradox could of went "we do not endorse this mod because being a racist is really shitty" and just left it at that, but instead they took it down, silencing someone elses opinion. That would of let them express themselves and still let free speech thrive.[/QUOTE] Paradox doesn't have the slightest legal, moral, or ethical obligation to protect their "free speech"

[QUOTE=Laferio;50386726]I don't understand this kind of logic lol. Make a game that allows you to literally enslave alien species- and choose literal government archetypes that allows your specific civilization xenophobia. Become a dictator that literally commits genocide against his own people when they want to migrate elsewhere. Commit genocide against other alien species in the name of humanity or whatever species you choose. Promote literal speciesism in that your civilization will enslave- then purge non-star faring civilizations, effectively making certain species extinct, and never to be heard of again. But oh fuck, you want a specific human phenotype? Burn in hell racist scum.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, all they are doing is removing a mod. You're making it sound like they're murdering someone for taking a mod authored by a proven white supremacist down.

want to apologize for overreacting, i only had like 3 hours of sleep today so i didn't give alot of time to think about stuff like a terms of use policy and shit like that. ignore my ramblings.

game company refuses to endorse and host literal racism on their website, sounds completely reasonable to me

[QUOTE=Flubbman;50387552]game company refuses to endorse and host literal racism on their website, sounds completely reasonable to me[/QUOTE] And this is pretty much it. They followed their own community rules and refused to host that mod on their own website.

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/4ktt2l/paradox_pulls_discriminatory_stellaris_mod_that/d3ht2c6[/url] [QUOTE=paradox] We saw the mod, thought it wasn't in very good taste, but let it remain. Then the creator of the mod decided to update the description of the mod to promote an "agenda" not related to computer games at all, and this was being clearly displayed on our product page. We decided it was a step too far and removed it. Eurogamer did not do a good job describing what exactly it was we removed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Naught;50387618][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/4ktt2l/paradox_pulls_discriminatory_stellaris_mod_that/d3ht2c6[/url][/QUOTE] Aaaand now entire thread can stop arguing and maybe that quote should be added to OP, That reasoning totally understandable. Also, personal question, on scale of 1 to 10 how modular is Stellaris in terms of society building? Can you go like, full way with own flags, hymns and doctrines added up in game, withhout need to go in manually change some values in txt?

[QUOTE=Naught;50387618][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/4ktt2l/paradox_pulls_discriminatory_stellaris_mod_that/d3ht2c6[/url][/QUOTE] A game journalism site misconstrued the actual issue, man that's never happened before.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;50387742]Aaaand now entire thread can stop arguing and maybe that quote should be added to OP, That reasoning totally understandable. Also, personal question, on scale of 1 to 10 how modular is Stellaris in terms of society building? Can you go like, full way with own flags, hymns and doctrines added up in game, withhout need to go in manually change some values in txt?[/QUOTE] You can full-on decide what your civilization is going to do/be/how they act via government doctrines/archetypes, you can devise your own species to be materialists, individualists, collectivists, spiritualists- shit like that. Each of those traits allows you to decide a form of government, ranging from a military junta to an oligarchy depending on what you choose for your species traits. Not sure if this answered your question or not, you can decide what your flag is going to be. If you don't think there's enough of different symbols for whatever custom flag you want to make- there's mods that add more.

You can commit genocide on Jews in CK2. Also paradorks are banning / deleting posts on their subreddit too.