Paradox pulls "discriminatory" Stellaris mod that made all human - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Flubbman;50387552]game company refuses to endorse and host literal racism on their website, sounds completely reasonable to me[/QUOTE] "Literal racism"

Meanwhile enslaving and purging entire species is a default feature in the game.

I keep seeing the same responses after clarification but none of these people seem to realize why it was removed from the workshop.

[QUOTE=Milkdairy;50388235]I keep seeing the same responses after clarification but none of these people seem to realize why it was removed from the workshop.[/QUOTE] because people never read posts in threads, they just see the title and comment. just like with youtube videos.

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50388168]"Literal racism"[/QUOTE]originally it was passable if very questionable, it was when the creator added the white supremacist subtext that paradox rightfully took it down from the website (without deleting it) "no multi-culturalism" by itself is a view you can hold without being racist, though it's perfectly understandable to not want someone pushing their political agenda (and such a controversial one at that) on your game's website. Coupled with removing every race except for white people with european names though... yeah, it's pretty clear what he's doing and what he thinks.

I really don't have a problem with this Paradox is a gaming company not your facebook page to preach hate speech and push an agenda. Most other mod sites would pull it just for that reason.

I dunno, I don't agree with the mod but they say they removed it because it was "clearly displayed on their product page" and yet the store pages don't show mods as far as I'm aware and I'm pretty sure the community page only shows popular mods. Unless /pol/ was flooding it with ratings I doubt it was that prominently displayed. Taking it down has probably made 100x more people aware that this mod even exists than would have otherwise known about it.

[QUOTE=Anderan;50388425]I dunno, I don't agree with the mod but they say they removed it because it was "clearly displayed on their product page" and yet the store pages don't show mods as far as I'm aware and I'm pretty sure the community page only shows popular mods. Unless /pol/ was flooding it with ratings I doubt it was that prominently displayed. Taking it down has probably made 100x more people aware that this mod even exists than would have otherwise known about it.[/QUOTE]I doubt the company is interested in preventing the mod from being popular, they just don't want the political angle the author edited into the description (specifically that odd youtube channel) shown on one of their officially-supported modding platforms.

Just ask mods to add (CLARIFICATION PROVIDED) to thread title and then you will get less same vein responce. Although i wonder if a mod that creates transgender socialist non white furry turned civilastion with a link to angry feminist youtube channel fillied with obese people ramblings, would mod get a same treatment, just for sake of trial and error.

So I guess it's racist now to want to play as a people you better identify with. I understand Paradox doesn't [I]have[/I] to allow people free reign with whatever mods they chose to create and host but this is just ridiculous and trying too hard to be PC. Rather with these types of people I'm willing to bet the word they'd use is "problematic" :v: I find it even funnier, if only tangentially related, that in EUIV it is objectively better to have a nation full of the same race or "culture" as it's listed in the game, and provinces that don't have the accepted culture are less productive and helpful to the nation, as if to imply that a nation full of the same race is better (which I would still argue is true but that's besides the point). Kinda goes against the idea that Paradox is pushing multiculturalism that the mod's author is implying.

[QUOTE=Anderan;50388425]I dunno, I don't agree with the mod but they say they removed it because it was "clearly displayed on their product page" and yet the store pages don't show mods as far as I'm aware and I'm pretty sure the community page only shows popular mods. Unless /pol/ was flooding it with ratings I doubt it was that prominently displayed. Taking it down has probably made 100x more people aware that this mod even exists than would have otherwise known about it.[/QUOTE] They probably mean they don't want to see the mod on their official workshop. Seems justified enough to me.

The mod page linked to a White Supremacist youtube channel as well before it was taken down. [editline]25th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Hoffa1337;50388154]You can commit genocide on Jews in CK2. Also paradorks are banning / deleting posts on their subreddit too.[/QUOTE] That isn't the point. the Author of the mod was a full on white supremacist it seems.

The thing a lot of people here seem to be missing is that the mod is still available. It's been stated multiple times in this thread. You can get the mod and be space nazis all you like, but Paradox won't host the mod for you.

[QUOTE=Naught;50387618][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/4ktt2l/paradox_pulls_discriminatory_stellaris_mod_that/d3ht2c6[/url][/QUOTE] I can understand now why it was removed. Hate speech shouldn't be allowed in mod descriptions.

Don't want to have potential investors think that you're a racist company because they don't understand what mods are when you're about to float your company.

[QUOTE=wystan;50388565]So I guess it's racist now to want to play as a people you better identify with. I understand Paradox doesn't [I]have[/I] to allow people free reign with whatever mods they chose to create and host but this is just ridiculous and trying too hard to be PC. Rather with these types of people I'm willing to bet the word they'd use is "problematic" :v: I find it even funnier, if only tangentially related, that in EUIV it is objectively better to have a nation full of the same race or "culture" as it's listed in the game, and provinces that don't have the accepted culture are less productive and helpful to the nation, as if to imply that a nation full of the same race is better (which I would still argue is true but that's besides the point). Kinda goes against the idea that Paradox is pushing multiculturalism that the mod's author is implying.[/QUOTE] I have no idea what you are on right now, but even a very cursory read through of the thread will show you how this has nothing to do with being PC (let alone too PC) and it is just something Paradox doesn't want to associate themselves with, especially with the links to that odd youtube channel. They have not banned the mod, they are just not hosting it themselves.

From the sounds of it, someone else can upload the same exact mod without the political message and it would stay up just fine.

[QUOTE=Cliff2;50389259]From the sounds of it, someone else can upload the same exact mod without the political message and it would stay up just fine.[/QUOTE] And that's exactly what happened but in reverse. The mod was kept despite the company not appreciating the undertones. And then the creator took the time to go full on redpill and so that's when PDox culled it

so why not lock germany as a playable nation in HoI4?

[QUOTE=uitham;50389378]so why not lock germany as a playable nation in HoI4?[/QUOTE] Because HOI4 and CK2 are reflecting actual historical racism and genocide without making a modern real world political statement like this mod author was

[QUOTE=uitham;50389378]so why not lock germany as a playable nation in HoI4?[/QUOTE] There is also no terror-bombing, concentration camps, gulags or any real option to commit atrocities in HoI series. You can see where Paradox stands on those issues.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;50386851]Someone go make a X-ethnicity only mod wihtout all the underlying agenda and I bet Paradox wouldn't give a crap.[/QUOTE] If you read the whole article there's another mod that would the human race into 4 ethnicities, I think it's an interesting mod because colonisation along national or ethnic lines is a common theme in sci-fi if they ban that as well then I won't be buying stellaris. Next month they are releasing a game where you can literally be Hitler is some guys shitty workshop mod really that offensive?

[QUOTE=waylander;50389642] if they ban that as well then I won't be buying stellaris.[/QUOTE] So you won't be buying Stellaris because you can't be arsed to manually install mods?

[QUOTE=Fetret;50389468]There is also no terror-bombing, concentration camps, gulags or any real option to commit atrocities in HoI series. You can see where Paradox stands on those issues.[/QUOTE] the rape of nanjing is included, im pretty sure

[QUOTE=waylander;50389642] Next month they are releasing a game where you can literally be Hitler is some guys shitty workshop mod really that offensive?[/QUOTE] Read the thread, the reason was the guy was pushing a political agenda, the mod page had a link to white supremacy stuff.

[QUOTE=archangel125;50386451]Not that I support them taking down mods because they find them objectionable, but that's a really weird fucking mod, and the author sounds like a nutjob anyway. So... was anything of value really lost?[/QUOTE] Having pride in your race makes you a nutjob ok

[QUOTE=Jmir 54;50391054]Having pride in your race makes you a nutjob ok[/QUOTE] theres a difference between 'pride' in your race, and being a white supremacy nutjob.

[QUOTE=Jmir 54;50391054]Having pride in your race makes you a nutjob ok[/QUOTE] Hmm. You know what, actually yeah, it does. Give me one rational reason having pride in something that doesn't exist makes sense.

[QUOTE=archangel125;50386554]Scientifically speaking, race is a social construct. You have certain identifiable phenotypes of humans because for millenia they lived in fairly distinct groups, in fairly distinct climates, and didn't really mix much (leading to distinguishing physical traits), but the fact that all humans are thought to have a common origin in continential Asia/Africa, are able to produce fertile offspring with each other, as well as the fact that while mapping the human genome, scientists found more variation across people of the same 'race' than they found between individuals of different phenotypes, has led them to conclude that 'race' doesn't exist in the way it seems to in most people's minds. [B]Ethnicity, then, is the culture that an individual [I]identifies[/I] with. [/B] Not so much the characteristics they were born with. So if, for example, I was someone with a Chinese background who was born and raised in Canada, and adopted its culture, if I moved to China at some point, but still held on to my Canadian culture, my ethnicity would be Canadian, not Chinese.[/QUOTE] Wow you guys regard "canadian" as an ethnicity? That's.....greata and weird at the same time. Nobody in Argentina would say he's "argentina" in terms of ethnicity or race. If you ask to an argentine what nationality is he, he will say "argentine", but if you ask him about his ethnic group or race, he will answer back with something "Gallego -Spanish- or 3/4 gallego and 1/4 german or french or 'tano or jewish" and so on

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50391227]Wow you guys regard "canadian" as an ethnicity? That's.....greata and weird at the same time. Nobody in Argentina would say he's "argentina" in terms of ethnicity or race. If you ask to an argentine what nationality is he, he will say "argentine", but if you ask him about his ethnic group or race, he will answer back with something "Gallego -Spanish- or 3/4 gallego and 1/4 german or french or 'tano or jewish" and so on[/QUOTE] Right, That's the (incorrect) colloquialism for the word "ethnicity". In truth it refers to one's culture, not one's genetic background. If you don't believe me, here is Google's definition for the word: [img]http://i.imgur.com/gCg4ULs.png[/img]