Paradox pulls "discriminatory" Stellaris mod that made all human - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Fetret;50389468]There is also no terror-bombing, concentration camps, gulags or any real option to commit atrocities in HoI series. You can see where Paradox stands on those issues.[/QUOTE] The Rape of Nanking is included (as others have pointed out), where 300,000 Chinese civilians were massacred and raped and had their city plundered. So is the Great Purge for the Soviet Union that resulted in 600,000 to 1.2 million deaths (it kills off a bunch of your military commanders). Pretty sure there's also a general event for all countries that mentions the League of Nations and the killing of Ethiopians when Italy invades them. And then of course you can research atomic bombs and use them at will. Oh, there's also a July 20th Plot reprisals event if the assassination attempt on Hitler fails that causes commanders to die and which also mentions the thousands of executions that historically followed in real life. They might also have a bombing of Shanghai event for Japan/China as well (I know I played either a mod or the vanilla Darkest Hour that included this). Also, this is the same company that produced Crusader Kings II-- that Medieval life simulator where you can marry your sister and have her squatch out a litter of inbred children. Then you can murder, blind, castrate, and imprison your inbred children (even rape and sell them into slavery with mods). All while you cuckold the dozens of other womenfolk in your realm and have little bastard children with them, contract/spread horrible STDs in the process like syphilis, etc. You can even practice polygamy as a Muslim or pagan ruler (or, again, with appropriate mods as a Christian one). And let's not forget Victoria and Europa Universalis talking about slaves (which are a pretty big mechanic in Victoria, especially as the United States and Brazil), the colonization and subjugation of Africa and the Americas, etc. Or of course fucking Stellaris, the game that's being discussed here, which as others have pointed out allows everything from slavery to the genocide of entire alien races as you colonize the galaxy. ...but no, clearly terror bombing campaigns (which actually happened of course in World War II and were hugely significant because of their impacts, especially against Germany and Japan), concentration camps and the Holocaust, gulags, even prisoner of war camps and POWs as a gameplay mechanic (both of these things are bannable on their forums if you suggest them as features, as their rules point out)... that's just taking things too far lol. [editline]25 May 2016[/editline] For the record, I understand why they got rid of this guy's mod and refuse to have anything to do with it. That's not what I'm getting at. My point is that Paradox is fucking retarded about how they handle this stuff. I downloaded it anyway, because I got tired of seeing Asian and black people with German and Russian names, and I got tired of seeing white people with Asian names. Etc. Plus it basically allows me to play galactic-tier Iron Sky. :v:

Probably it's a PR move or some shit like it rape of nanjing? Nobody from the west denies that, and what's more, their forum isn't full of japanese nor will be flooded with japanese nationalists who will shit spam every sub with "evidence" of how it's "made up". The same goes for Katyn. Idk if it's included in the game, but you won't the legions of putin lovers who will say it was a nazi psy ops. Now, include the holocaust and you're in for a world of crap. Get ready for the legions of neo nazis and "fachos" that will say it shouldn't be an event, that it didn't happen. And so on. The same goes for the European firebombings. Pretty sure if you include the Dresden firebombing and some comment about how retarded in military terms was, you would get a thousand million responses like "Lol they deserved it", "Bullshit it wasn't that awful" and endless discussion. Remember, when the Japanese or Russian internet-o-sphere gets anglicanized and invades our/this internet-o-sphere, forget about Nanjing or Katyn. It's the only logical explanation I can find for this.

great so they're babysitting steam workshop too

The Nanking event was only in HOI2 and it was dubbed the massacre of Nanking IIRC.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50386492]Exactly. I could literally go around and eliminate all non-white races on my planets as that is a feature in the game and is more or less encouraged with some empires and their "xenophobic" tendencies. But remember, this is the same company that refuses to allow players to add swastikas to mods (you'll be permabanned from their forums) but has no qualms about mentioning the rape of nanjing.[/QUOTE] It's because the Swastika is illegal in a lot of European countries and they could have issues with it. At least that's my guess.

[QUOTE=Fetret;50389468]There is also no terror-bombing, concentration camps, gulags or any real option to commit atrocities in HoI series. You can see where Paradox stands on those issues.[/QUOTE] Terror bombing is abstracted in Strat Bombing and National Unity. The Rape of Nanjing is also in HoI3 with mods, so PI likes to pick and choose what they show.

I wonder if theres a mod that makes all the humans bald with coffee skin and 7 feet tall and all have "creative" names like christmas or butterfly

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50391737] The same goes for the European firebombings. Pretty sure if you include the Dresden firebombing and some comment about how retarded in military terms was, you would get a thousand million responses like "Lol they deserved it", "Bullshit it wasn't that awful" and endless discussion. [/QUOTE] The Dresden Firebombings weren't retarded. You say this now in hindsight because you know the war would end a few months later but Allied High Command was scared as fuck with the recent repulsion the Nazi's were making in the Ardennes. They feared the war taking another year or possibly two. The causality count was already staggering and they wanted to take no risk and completely shut down the Nazis. The Dresden bombings not only crippled their industry ensuring they had no means to fight a longer drawn out fanatical war, which the Nazi's no doubt would have pursued. It also crippled their defensive in the east. Dresden was a major railway center and many troops/supplies were being moved their to stop the Soviet counteroffensive.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;50392357]The Dresden Firebombings weren't retarded. You say this now in hindsight because you know the war would end a few months later but Allied High Command was scared as fuck with the recent repulsion the Nazi's were making in the Ardennes. They feared the war taking another year or possibly two. The causality count was already staggering and they wanted to take no risk and completely shut down the Nazis. The Dresden bombings not only crippled their industry ensuring they had no means to fight a longer drawn out fanatical war, which the Nazi's no doubt would have pursued. It also crippled their defensive in the east. Dresden was a major railway center and many troops/supplies were being moved their to stop the Soviet counteroffensive.[/QUOTE] The funny thing is you just proved him right.

[QUOTE=Saphirx;50391830]great so they're babysitting steam workshop too[/QUOTE] [url]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tv8IEXSuuyMJ:steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/%3Fid%3D682291921%26searchtext%3D+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=br[/url] Look at the youtube link on the right side info bar. that is the reason why it was removed. [editline]26th May 2016[/editline] And most devs babysit the workshop. they have their own moderators.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;50394826][URL]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tv8IEXSuuyMJ:steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/%3Fid%3D682291921%26searchtext%3D+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=br[/URL] Look at the youtube link on the right side info bar. that is the reason why it was removed. [editline]26th May 2016[/editline] And most devs babysit the workshop. they have their own moderators.[/QUOTE] fair enough, the guy has some questionable content on his channel. and the "no multiculturalism here" was a weird comment he made. i'm just not okay with PI deleting mods because they're deemed inappropriate. what was the harm with his mod? why even complain though when /gsg/ exists.

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;50392357]The Dresden Firebombings weren't retarded. You say this now in hindsight because you know the war would end a few months later but Allied High Command was scared as fuck with the recent repulsion the Nazi's were making in the Ardennes. They feared the war taking another year or possibly two. The causality count was already staggering and they wanted to take no risk and completely shut down the Nazis. The Dresden bombings not only crippled their industry ensuring they had no means to fight a longer drawn out fanatical war, which the Nazi's no doubt would have pursued. It also crippled their defensive in the east. Dresden was a major railway center and many troops/supplies were being moved their to stop the Soviet counteroffensive.[/QUOTE] What? Dredsen was specifically controversial because it [I]had no strategic benefit.[/I] They bombed German heritage sites, not factories or military bases. The only benefit to it was morale damage to the German people which I don't think is a good enough reason to bomb a culturally significant city for no reason. There's a reason why Wehraboos latch on to this specific bombing, it was largely an unjustified action on the part of the allies that saw no strategic gains for them. The Axis consisted of some of the most evil nations known to human kind but that doesn't mean every single Allied decision against them was justified.

[QUOTE=Saphirx;50394878]fair enough, the guy has some questionable content on his channel. and the "no multiculturalism here" was a weird comment he made. i'm just not okay with PI deleting mods because they're deemed inappropriate. what was the harm with his mod? why even complain though when /gsg/ exists.[/QUOTE] Its description was promoting a deeply unpleasant political stance that Paradox didn't want to be associated with, so they removed it from their website. They're under no obligation to host material that they feel will reflect badly on them. The mod is still available on other sites.

[QUOTE=Lysander32;50395038]What? Dredsen was specifically controversial because it [I]had no strategic benefit.[/I] They bombed German heritage sites, not factories or military bases. The only benefit to it was morale damage to the German people which I don't think is a good enough reason to bomb a culturally significant city for no reason. There's a reason why Wehraboos latch on to this specific bombing, it was largely an unjustified action on the part of the allies that saw no strategic gains for them. The Axis consisted of some of the most evil nations known to human kind but that doesn't mean every single Allied decision against them was justified.[/QUOTE] Speer said that if the allies had bombed a single ball bearing factory somewhere in Bavaria they would have brought the German army to a screeching halt

[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;50395145]Speer said that if the allies had bombed a single ball bearing factory somewhere in Bavaria they would have brought the German army to a screeching halt[/QUOTE] Well, they bombed plenty of ball bearing factories and production was often resumed in under a week Striking the oil plants, on the other hand, really did bring the wehrmacht to a halt

[QUOTE=Govna;50391648]The Rape of Nanking is included (as others have pointed out), where 300,000 Chinese civilians were massacred and raped and had their city plundered. So is the Great Purge for the Soviet Union that resulted in 600,000 to 1.2 million deaths (it kills off a bunch of your military commanders). Pretty sure there's also a general event for all countries that mentions the League of Nations and the killing of Ethiopians when Italy invades them. And then of course you can research atomic bombs and use them at will. Oh, there's also a July 20th Plot reprisals event if the assassination attempt on Hitler fails that causes commanders to die and which also mentions the thousands of executions that historically followed in real life. They might also have a bombing of Shanghai event for Japan/China as well (I know I played either a mod or the vanilla Darkest Hour that included this). Also, this is the same company that produced Crusader Kings II-- that Medieval life simulator where you can marry your sister and have her squatch out a litter of inbred children. Then you can murder, blind, castrate, and imprison your inbred children (even rape and sell them into slavery with mods). All while you cuckold the dozens of other womenfolk in your realm and have little bastard children with them, contract/spread horrible STDs in the process like syphilis, etc. You can even practice polygamy as a Muslim or pagan ruler (or, again, with appropriate mods as a Christian one). And let's not forget Victoria and Europa Universalis talking about slaves (which are a pretty big mechanic in Victoria, especially as the United States and Brazil), the colonization and subjugation of Africa and the Americas, etc. Or of course fucking Stellaris, the game that's being discussed here, which as others have pointed out allows everything from slavery to the genocide of entire alien races as you colonize the galaxy. ...but no, clearly terror bombing campaigns (which actually happened of course in World War II and were hugely significant because of their impacts, especially against Germany and Japan), concentration camps and the Holocaust, gulags, even prisoner of war camps and POWs as a gameplay mechanic (both of these things are bannable on their forums if you suggest them as features, as their rules point out)... that's just taking things too far lol. [editline]25 May 2016[/editline] For the record, I understand why they got rid of this guy's mod and refuse to have anything to do with it. That's not what I'm getting at. My point is that Paradox is fucking retarded about how they handle this stuff. I downloaded it anyway, because I got tired of seeing Asian and black people with German and Russian names, and I got tired of seeing white people with Asian names. Etc. Plus it basically allows me to play galactic-tier Iron Sky. :v:[/QUOTE] Or it could be that Paradox doesn't want to host mods linking to actual white nationalist propaganda on their official sites.

[QUOTE=plunger435;50396608]Or it could be that Paradox doesn't want to host mods linking to actual white nationalist propaganda on their official sites.[/QUOTE] [url=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRjmJIaYVmdSHBJJqfSH-bw/videos]I wouldn't focus on the white nationalist aspect.[/url] He's got exactly one video about the idea of Europeans leaving a legacy, and the rest of his videos are not about the subject. Was he making a joke in poor taste about multiculturalism? Yes. Should he have directly linked to the video pertaining to the mod, or made a channel dedicated to news about the mod? Probably. Was he espousing a racist and xenophobic opinion using this mod? No. Was he trying to [I]spread[/I] any racist and xenophobic opinions using this mod? Unless you mean in the most roundabout way possible, no. Personally, I feel that the author really could have done something to avoid this, but Paradox removing the mod outright is a bit silly. Not gonna stop me from enjoying their games, but it did make me roll my eyes a bit.

[QUOTE=plunger435;50396608]Or it could be that Paradox doesn't want to host mods linking to actual white nationalist propaganda on their official sites.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Govna;50391648]For the record, I understand why they got rid of this guy's mod and refuse to have anything to do with it. That's not what I'm getting at.[/QUOTE] Reading comprehension is good.

[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;50396721][URL="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRjmJIaYVmdSHBJJqfSH-bw/videos"]I wouldn't focus on the white nationalist aspect.[/URL] He's got exactly one video about the idea of Europeans leaving a legacy, and the rest of his videos are not about the subject. Was he making a joke in poor taste about multiculturalism? Yes. Should he have directly linked to the video pertaining to the mod, or made a channel dedicated to news about the mod? Probably. Was he espousing a racist and xenophobic opinion using this mod? No. Was he trying to [I]spread[/I] any racist and xenophobic opinions using this mod? Unless you mean in the most roundabout way possible, no. Personally, I feel that the author really could have done something to avoid this, but Paradox removing the mod outright is a bit silly. Not gonna stop me from enjoying their games, but it did make me roll my eyes a bit.[/QUOTE] No I'm pretty sure the guy is a white supremacist. on Martin Schulz kicking the Golden Dawn MEP out of Pariliament [URL="http://Video decrying the Greek PM for kicking a neo-nazi faction out of parliament."]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPNqvon_Ow4[/URL] I'll just use the titles of the videos now: US Soldiers and White Privilege - Political Indoctrination by Obama [URL="http://US Soldiers and White Privilege - Political Indoctrination by Obama"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZE-sRWJVxY[/URL] Donald Trump, David Duke and the KKK: The Left-Wing Inquisition [URL="http://Donald Trump, David Duke and the KKK: The Left-Wing Inquisition"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AwSAQMwXdQ[/URL] Donald Trump Supporter Threatened by Hispanics [URL="http://Donald Trump Supporter Threatened by Hispanics"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkPaGqNDoec[/URL] Europe is becoming a Left-Wing Dystopian Future [URL="http://Europe is becoming a Left-Wing Dystopian Future"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHqeZwEaEhI[/URL] An Argument for the Continued Existence of Europeans [URL="http://An Argument for the Continued Existence of Europeans"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gc1qF-25O0[/URL] Saying European people are superior due to proper breeding is definitely some white supremacist shit. [editline]26th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Govna;50396813]Reading comprehension is good.[/QUOTE] Paste your full quote next time. [QUOTE=Govna;50391648]For the record, I understand why they got rid of this guy's mod and refuse to have anything to do with it. That's not what I'm getting at.[B] My point is that Paradox is fucking retarded about how they handle this stuff.[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=plunger435;50396884]Paste your full quote next time.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Govna;50391648][QUOTE=Fetret;50389468]There is also no terror-bombing, concentration camps, gulags or any real option to commit atrocities in HoI series. You can see where Paradox stands on those issues.[/QUOTE] [b]The Rape of Nanking is included (as others have pointed out), where 300,000 Chinese civilians were massacred and raped and had their city plundered. So is the Great Purge for the Soviet Union that resulted in 600,000 to 1.2 million deaths (it kills off a bunch of your military commanders). Pretty sure there's also a general event for all countries that mentions the League of Nations and the killing of Ethiopians when Italy invades them. And then of course you can research atomic bombs and use them at will. Oh, there's also a July 20th Plot reprisals event if the assassination attempt on Hitler fails that causes commanders to die and which also mentions the thousands of executions that historically followed in real life. They might also have a bombing of Shanghai event for Japan/China as well (I know I played either a mod or the vanilla Darkest Hour that included this). Also, this is the same company that produced Crusader Kings II-- that Medieval life simulator where you can marry your sister and have her squatch out a litter of inbred children. Then you can murder, blind, castrate, and imprison your inbred children (even rape and sell them into slavery with mods). All while you cuckold the dozens of other womenfolk in your realm and have little bastard children with them, contract/spread horrible STDs in the process like syphilis, etc. You can even practice polygamy as a Muslim or pagan ruler (or, again, with appropriate mods as a Christian one). And let's not forget Victoria and Europa Universalis talking about slaves (which are a pretty big mechanic in Victoria, especially as the United States and Brazil), the colonization and subjugation of Africa and the Americas, etc. Or of course fucking Stellaris, the game that's being discussed here, which as others have pointed out allows everything from slavery to the genocide of entire alien races as you colonize the galaxy. [i]...but no, clearly terror bombing campaigns (which actually happened of course in World War II and were hugely significant because of their impacts, especially against Germany and Japan), concentration camps and the Holocaust, gulags, even prisoner of war camps and POWs as a gameplay mechanic (both of these things are bannable on their forums if you suggest them as features, as their rules point out)... that's just taking things too far lol.[/i] [editline]25 May 2016[/editline] For the record, I understand why they got rid of this guy's mod and refuse to have anything to do with it. That's not what I'm getting at. [i]My point is that Paradox is fucking retarded about how they handle this stuff.[/i][/b] I downloaded it anyway, because I got tired of seeing Asian and black people with German and Russian names, and I got tired of seeing white people with Asian names. Etc. Plus it basically allows me to play galactic-tier Iron Sky. :v:[/QUOTE] Again, reading comprehension is good. No one else had trouble understanding this.

[QUOTE=Govna;50397118]Again, reading comprehension is good. No one else had trouble understanding this.[/QUOTE] And like I pointed out, how is Paradox 'fucking retarded' for removing links to real life white nationalist propaganda?

[QUOTE=plunger435;50397270]And like I pointed out, how is Paradox 'fucking retarded' for removing links to real life white nationalist propaganda?[/QUOTE] What part of... [quote]For the record, I understand why they got rid of this guy's mod and refuse to have anything to do with it. That's not what I'm getting at.[/quote] ...was unclear? I'm not talking about the mod. I don't give a fuck about the mod. I'm talking about Paradox's paradoxical/retarded behavior towards things like terror bombing, prisoners of war, genocide, slavery, racism, etc. in their games in general. Why is it that some of this stuff is alright, and they'll include it in their games, but other stuff is taboo and bannable if you bring it up to them? I don't think anybody besides you had trouble understanding that this was my point.

[QUOTE=Lysander32;50395038]What? Dredsen was specifically controversial because it [I]had no strategic benefit.[/I] They bombed German heritage sites, not factories or military bases. The only benefit to it was morale damage to the German people which I don't think is a good enough reason to bomb a culturally significant city for no reason. There's a reason why Wehraboos latch on to this specific bombing, it was largely an unjustified action on the part of the allies that saw no strategic gains for them. The Axis consisted of some of the most evil nations known to human kind but that doesn't mean every single Allied decision against them was justified.[/QUOTE] It was definitely overkill in hindsight but without knowing when the war would end and considering requests from the Soviets to damage transport hubs, the factories that did exist there (including a poison gas factory) and it being a major communications hub I can see why they would consider it. I know the Nazi's championed it as a war crime that was unjustified due to Dresden being "purely a cultural city" yet we have quotes from the time like these that cast doubts on those assertions. [QUOTE=Dresdner Jahrbuch 1942] "Anyone who knows Dresden only as a cultural city, with its immortal architectural monuments and unique landscape environment, would rightly be very surprised to be made aware of the extensive and versatile industrial activity, with all its varied ramifications, that make Desden......one of the foremost industrial locations of the Reich" [/QUOTE] [QUOTE= Alfred Jodl, Chief of the Joint General Staff of the German Army High Command]"Attacks on Dresden eliminated it as a railroad junction completely."[/QUOTE] The casualty counts have also been wildly inflated by the likes of Kurt Vonnegut for political reasons yet are spread as fact. The whole idea that the allies wasted vast amounts of fuel and armaments during a still uncertain situation to destroy a supposedly strategically insignificant city is based on shaky logic. It's great to look back and act as armchair general but based on the realities and the info at the time Bomber Command clearly made a decision out of necessity rather than malice.

Dudes, have you been to the city? Have you seen the pictures of the aftermath? balls they wanted to destroy industry or take out a railroad junction!!! They leveled the-whole-god-damn city. With FIRE bombs. Idk what the reason is for that, but is just bullshit. Civilian demoralization? Already demoralized by that time. People weren't giving fucks about the war anymore. Source: Ian Kershaw's "The Hitler Myth". Contains reports from ex SDP and KPD, and gestapo members.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50398540]Dudes, have you been to the city? Have you seen the pictures of the aftermath? balls they wanted to destroy industry or take out a railroad junction!!! They leveled the-whole-god-damn city. [B]With FIRE bombs.[/B] Idk what the reason is for that, but is just bullshit. Civilian demoralization? Already demoralized by that time. People weren't giving fucks about the war anymore. Source: Ian Kershaw's "The Hitler Myth". Contains reports from ex SDP and KPD, and gestapo members.[/QUOTE] Incendiary bombs were commonly used in bombing raids, nothing I have seen suggests an unusual amount (relative to number of bombs dropped) were used on Dresden. You don't seem to have anything proving to you it was deliberately targeting civilians except appeals to emotion and a dubious claim it was purely to demoralise the germans. I don't like civilian injuries or deaths any more than you but there were clear strategic reasons for the bombing of Dresden and the arguments saying it was malicious have little to no evidence. Perhaps if the German High Command had surrendered earlier it would have been avoided but as it stood on 12/02/1945 the rail line was operational and available to ferry troops which would have prolonged the war and caused thousands of more deaths. Common sense, Bomber Command testimony and Nazi leadership testimony aren't enough to cast any doubt onto your belief it was malicious? You seem to be more interested in taking a stance than actually reaching a logical conclusion based in fact.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50398540]Dudes, have you been to the city? Have you seen the pictures of the aftermath? balls they wanted to destroy industry or take out a railroad junction!!! They leveled the-whole-god-damn city. With FIRE bombs. Idk what the reason is for that, but is just bullshit. Civilian demoralization? Already demoralized by that time. People weren't giving fucks about the war anymore. Source: Ian Kershaw's "The Hitler Myth". Contains reports from ex SDP and KPD, and gestapo members.[/QUOTE] Keep in mind that there was no precision bombing in 1945 applicable to heavily defended industrial zones, they needed to drop that tonnage of bombs to even get a few bombs to land next to the target

-snip- super late, sorry