• EgyptAir MS804 Wreckage found near Karpathos
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[QUOTE=MissZoey;50352349]More likely if you blow up a shop in Paris you'll get about 5-20 people, with a plane that's high up you're pretty much confirmed to kill 50+[/QUOTE] Brussels sort of proved otherwise, a bomb in a busy airport gets you potentially hundreds of people
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;50352335]Sure, but it doesn't destroy the plane so fast that the pilots have no time to call out a mayday, and also if it were turbulence then they would know from weather reports/other flights nearby. Considering people who've seen the wreck and are experienced say it looks like a terrorist, it's probably a terrorist.[/QUOTE] Except there are conflicting reports if anyone has even seen the wreck. Besides which you can't really see a wreck when its underwater. Also, its worth reading the full quote from the "it could be terrorism" dude: [quote]John Goglia, a former U.S. National Transportation Safety Board member, said early indications point more to a bomb than to a structural or mechanical failure for EgyptAir Flight 804. The Airbus A320 crashed into the Mediterranean Sea early Thursday while carrying 66 passengers and crew from Paris to Cairo. Goglia says "given the fact that (the pilot) made those abrupt turns without broadcasting any maydays would indicate to me that something catastrophic like a device happened." [b]He says a mechanical failure "still has to be considered, but at this point I would put that down pretty low." He likewise says that a structural failure, like a piece of the airplane's aluminum skin ripping away from metal fatigue, is possible but unlikely.[/b] He says "the recorders will tell us," referring to the black boxes, the plane's flight-data and cockpit-voice recorders that are a key part of nearly every crash investigation.[/quote] source: [url]http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fc727f93547b4f97b8813c1ea83c3da1/latest-no-distress-call-missing-egyptair-plane[/url]
[QUOTE=Sableye;50352360]Brussels sort of proved otherwise, a bomb in a busy airport gets you potentially hundreds of people[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/34df13cdfe01647e9ab7ca25029752cb.png[/IMG] Injuries, yes, but in terms of flat out kills, bringing a plane down will near enough always kill more.
[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;50352292]Another good question is why would you detonate it near the end of its flight? Surely a terrorist would value a bombing in paris/france way more than in the fucking ocean.[/QUOTE] plans don't always go the way you think they will
[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;50352363]Except there are conflicting reports if anyone has even seen the wreck. Besides which you can't really see a wreck when its underwater. Also, its worth reading the full quote from the "it could be terrorism" dude: source: [url]http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fc727f93547b4f97b8813c1ea83c3da1/latest-no-distress-call-missing-egyptair-plane[/url][/QUOTE] You are pretty blatantly ignoring key sections such as [quote] but at this point I would put that down pretty low[/quote] and [quote]is possible but unlikely[/quote] Why exactly is it too early for us to discuss if it's terrorism when the officials have stated that it was more likely than not terrorism?
[QUOTE=Thlis;50352681]You are pretty blatantly ignoring key sections such as and Why exactly is it too early for us to discuss if it's terrorism when the officials have stated that it was more likely than not terrorism?[/QUOTE] How did I ignore them if I quoted them and specifically bolded that paragraph?
Terrorism, what terrorism? The New World Order's agenda of multiculturalism is working, isn't it?
[quote]'No signs of blast' at missing airplane A US review of satellite images has produced no signs of an explosion on board, Reuters news agency reports, quoting officials from multiple US agencies. The unnamed sources told Reuters that the US has not ruled out any possible causes for the crash, including mechanical failure, terrorism or a deliberate act by the pilot or crew. Many international governments are assisting in the search for the airplane.[/quote] [quote]EgyptAir 'retracts wreckage claim' EgyptAir has retracted its claim that wreckage from its missing plane had been found in the Mediterranean, CNN reports. This would confirm an earlier statement by Greece's lead air accident investigator Athanasios Binis, who said the wreckage found near the Greek island of Karpathos was not from the missing Airbus A320.[/quote] source: [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-africa-36328976[/url] This is exactly what is wrong with pointing the finger at terrorism when this shit happened less than 24 hours ago. A bunch of unsubstantiated shit, people fear mongering etc. If the wreckage isn't found then I'm sure we'll have to put up with another set of MH370-like theories. Fact of the matter is, the ocean is a big place. If its at the bottom of the ocean, then it is no small task to find it.
[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;50352973]source: [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-africa-36328976[/url] This is exactly what is wrong with pointing the finger at terrorism when this shit happened less than 24 hours ago. A bunch of unsubstantiated shit, people fear mongering etc. If the wreckage isn't found then I'm sure we'll have to put up with another set of MH370-like theories. Fact of the matter is, the ocean is a big place. If its at the bottom of the ocean, then it is no small task to find it.[/QUOTE] They're a lot more likely to find the wreckage than with MH370. The Med is one of the most actively transited seas on earth. If we know where it went down, it's only a matter of time. It may take days, weeks, months, but it will be found. MH370 was a mystery because it took off in a random direction before crashing, and the fuel left on board meant it could be literally anywhere in a huge radius. Though even with that, wreckage has washed up in the Indian ocean.
[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;50352363]Except there are conflicting reports if anyone has even seen the wreck. Besides which you can't really see a wreck when its underwater. Also, its worth reading the full quote from the "it could be terrorism" dude: source: [url]http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fc727f93547b4f97b8813c1ea83c3da1/latest-no-distress-call-missing-egyptair-plane[/url][/QUOTE] I did only say it was probably terrorism, not that it was. It was in response to your suggestion that extreme turbulence caused it, when only a catastrophic event can really take an aircraft down so fast it can't mayday. It may have been a mechanical failure, it may have been turbulence, but given how well designed these planes are, it's not likely. That said, given the retraction of someone having found the wreckage, it's back to being pure speculation.
[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;50352973]source: [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-africa-36328976[/url] This is exactly what is wrong with pointing the finger at terrorism when this shit happened less than 24 hours ago. A bunch of unsubstantiated shit, people fear mongering etc. If the wreckage isn't found then I'm sure we'll have to put up with another set of MH370-like theories. Fact of the matter is, the ocean is a big place. If its at the bottom of the ocean, then it is no small task to find it.[/QUOTE] Stop being such a drama queen, everything points to it being terrorism, all the experts concur. Big Don called it in well early: [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4375819/don.PNG[/IMG]
you guys are talking about terror attacks like they go for raw killcount. The point is making a statement with the situation. Being on a plane thousands of feet in the air over open water is one of the worst case scenarios you could have an attack happen during due to the minimal chance of survival. You can't run away or hide behind anything, if it's bad enough to injure you but not kill you it's likely shit's going south anyways since you're not on solid ground and ambulances/police/fire crews aren't just going to show up in 30 seconds. Shit like this will cause heavy waves of fear and repulsion without having to go to such large scale operations as the airport attacks
[QUOTE=Limed00d;50351546]As mentioned in a previous thread, it doesn't seem like a terrorist attack. If there were any terrorist attacks it would be done on the airport, not on a plane, out in the middle of nowhere. Seems more like a malfunction in my opinion. But who knows, only time will tell what it actually was. But I'm gonna remain skeptical on it being a terrorist attack until further evidence is found.[/QUOTE] You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
[QUOTE=AlHyunn;50353330]You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] if you're going to say something that, at least explain to him why
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50351917]Has to be terrorists. Even explosive decompression gives enough time for a quick mayday. The only thing that would prevent any sort of communications would be a sudden actual explosion. 66 people is more than enough for ISIS or another group to target.[/QUOTE] A spark in a fuel tank that's 95% drained would cause this, too. It's entirely possible that something of the sort happened here...I wouldn't rule out a snackbar sighting but at the same time I wouldn't rule out a fuel tank problem either. Until they pick through the ashes and find out for sure either option is just as viable.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50354780]A spark in a fuel tank that's 95% drained would cause this, too. It's entirely possible that something of the sort happened here...I wouldn't rule out a snackbar sighting but at the same time I wouldn't rule out a fuel tank problem either. Until they pick through the ashes and find out for sure either option is just as viable.[/QUOTE] Because multi million dollar commercial planes are designed so shoddily that 'oops there was a spark in the fuel tank' is just a regular probable scenario.
When you look at egypt's history with isis and the fact that isis promised revenge for paris and stuff, it makes more sense that they could have been trying to show the size of their terror-peen If nobody claims it in a few days I'll be surprised that a sudden catastrophic malfunction could have brought down a modern a320 flying from paris to cairo [editline]20th May 2016[/editline] If it is isis, then whatever the fuck is going on in the intelligence department does not seem to be working
if it was a mechanical failure, that would be sloppy maintenance checking by the french airport, which i highly doubt. probably a attack.
[QUOTE=dai;50353298]you guys are talking about terror attacks like they go for raw killcount. The point is making a statement with the situation. Being on a plane thousands of feet in the air over open water is one of the worst case scenarios you could have an attack happen during due to the minimal chance of survival. You can't run away or hide behind anything, if it's bad enough to injure you but not kill you it's likely shit's going south anyways since you're not on solid ground and ambulances/police/fire crews aren't just going to show up in 30 seconds. Shit like this will cause heavy waves of fear and repulsion without having to go to such large scale operations as the airport attacks[/QUOTE] That fear in the isn't experienced as much, or at all, by us though, maybe by those on the plane, but it matters more to make a statement to everyone who isn't on the plane as they will be the survivors to see the aftermath. Killing more people is likely to make a stronger statement and cause waves of fear.
Some of you self proclaimed experts need to consider the expert opinions that are readily available in the media before spouting about fuel tanks and mechanical failure. It was terrorism, plain and simple. Oh and no, this doesn't make me racist or xenophobic. It means I have read the current info available and made a rational call based on all of this info. Simples.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50356508]Some of you self proclaimed experts need to consider the expert opinions that are readily available in the media before spouting about fuel tanks and mechanical failure. It was terrorism, plain and simple. Oh and no, this doesn't make me racist or xenophobic. It means I have read the current info available and made a rational call based on all of this info. Simples.[/QUOTE] You're just dying to have someone call you a racist, aren't you
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50356508]Some of you self proclaimed experts need to consider the expert opinions that are readily available in the media before spouting about fuel tanks and mechanical failure. It was terrorism, plain and simple. Oh and no, this doesn't make me racist or xenophobic. It means I have read the current info available and made a rational call based on all of this info. Simples.[/QUOTE] [I]Racist[/I]
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50356508]Some of you self proclaimed experts need to consider the expert opinions that are readily available in the media before spouting about fuel tanks and mechanical failure. It was terrorism, plain and simple. Oh and no, this doesn't make me racist or xenophobic. It means I have read the current info available and made a rational call based on all of this info. Simples.[/QUOTE] Terrorism is the most likely cause, as this catastrophic a failure is rarely due to the pilot or mechanical failures, but everyone else has said it [I]could be[/I] mechanical/non terrorist, which is very different to saying it was. It's just a possibility.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50356508]Some of you self proclaimed experts need to consider the expert opinions that are readily available in the media before spouting about fuel tanks and mechanical failure. It was terrorism, plain and simple. Oh and no, this doesn't make me racist or xenophobic. It means I have read the current info available and made a rational call based on all of this info. Simples.[/QUOTE] Nobody should be calling your racist or xenophobic for saying "it is probably a terror attack" IMO you would also be justified in saying "it is probably a terror attack perpetrated by a radical Islamist terror group sympathetic/associated with ISIS." That said I don't think anybody will unironically call you racist for saying those things.
Or maybe a bird flew into the propeller.
Updated OP with the new article. [QUOTE]Debris and [B]body parts[/B] have been found in the Mediterranean Sea by teams searching for a missing EgyptAir plane, Greek and Egyptian officials say.[/QUOTE]
Likelihood that its a terrorist attack, sure. But that doesnt mean you rule out other causes. Quick to jump to terrorism and not investigate is a dumb move by any person. Theres other explanations that could end with the same results. The beauty of the aviation community is that they dont give a shit if it was terrorism or not. They're going to investigate the cause on why the airplane caused. Its not their job to place blame.
The Aviation Herald has some great information on it if anyone's interested. [url]http://avherald.com/h?article=4987fb09&opt=0[/url] The last ACARS messages really caught my eye [quote]00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW 00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR 00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE 00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE 00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR 00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT 00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT no further ACARS messages were received[/quote]
[QUOTE=tyanet;50361492]The Aviation Herald has some great information on it if anyone's interested. [url]http://avherald.com/h?article=4987fb09&opt=0[/url] The last ACARS messages really caught my eye[/QUOTE] Can you translate what they all mean together?
[QUOTE=MissZoey;50363803]Can you translate what they all mean together?[/QUOTE] I think they mean there was a bomb.
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