• New UN Report on How to Feed the World's Hungry: Ditch Corporate-Controlled Agriculture
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;28590151]You mean a world-food production model that relies on fossil fuels for fertilizer and transporting food thousands of miles from where it was grown isn't sustainable?[/QUOTE] No way!
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28590095]Remember, monopolies don't exist and if they do it's for the benefit of the people.[/QUOTE] and don't forget, anyone who would work on this, anyone with that kind of knowledge would HAVE to be coerced into it and wouldn't possibly be okay with doing it for any other reason than obscene riches.
[QUOTE=Last or First;28588423]Problem, Monsanto and other corporations? Seriously, awesomeness.[/QUOTE] This has nothing to do with GMOs.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28590197]and don't forget, anyone who would work on this, anyone with that kind of knowledge would HAVE to be coerced into it and wouldn't possibly be okay with doing it for any other reason than obscene riches.[/QUOTE] Of course! Laissez-faire market is best market!
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;28590490]Of course! Laissez-faire market is best market![/QUOTE] we all know how mediocre socialist democracies are [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] and how nothing great comes out of them and there's no one creative in them because they've no desire to be without capitalism fucking christ it scares me people are stupid enough to believe this fucking shit.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28590532]we all know how mediocre socialist democracies are [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] and how nothing great comes out of them and there's no one creative in them because they've no desire to be without capitalism fucking christ it scares me people are stupid enough to believe this fucking shit.[/QUOTE] Lord we can't be THAT mediocre. America is the free-est, greatest country that has ever existed!
Well the refusal of GE crops makes a little bit of sense (if they can't realistically maintain an over-abundance of crops that GE yields) but the author's allegiance to organic crops is strong and comes off a little weird. They dont really say anything about removing the "private" farms, though, from what i can tell they mostly want farmers of the local regions to grow their own food and want countries to stop fucking up their economy by injecting large amounts of subsidized crops into their regions. (Which is a government problem, really) I don't see what this has to do with free markets everyone is posting about, in fact their solution seems more free market than anything.
They should work on mechanizing and automating farming, joining them together into larger and larger estates and making the farmers move to the cities. Its been done since the early 1700s and it has worked very well for humans, had we not done it then we would be still stuck in the middle ages.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;28587817]Organic agriculture feeding everybody? Ahahaha.[/QUOTE] Well good to know I'm not the only one who's tired about all these lolorganic people.
[QUOTE=s0beit;28590718]I don't see what this has to do with free markets everyone is posting about, in fact their solution seems more free market than anything.[/QUOTE] We were referring to Strider's touting of absolutely free markets and his ignorance of monopolies in history.
Good people are trying more efficient methods.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;28590851]Well good to know I'm not the only one who's tired about all these lolorganic people.[/QUOTE] The problem I find with organic farming is that it is far too backward, inefficient and actually unhealthy for people. There's all these idiots who think that it will be natural and good for you, but with the wonders of human intervention farming production has increased steadily for the past 10,000 years. With genetic modification we can improve on that further. (There's idiots who tell people not to eat such food to starving people in Africa who then starve.) To throw away 1000s of years of farming developments and go back to the same methods the cavemen's children used is ridiculous.
i grow my own tomatos dozens and dozens of tomatos in my yard
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;28591001]The problem I find with organic farming is that it is far too backward, inefficient and actually unhealthy for people. There's all these idiots who think that it will be natural and good for you, but with the wonders of human intervention farming production has increased steadily for the past 10,000 years. With genetic modification we can improve on that further. (There's idiots who tell people not to eat such food to starving people in Africa who then starve.) To throw away 1000s of years of farming developments and go back to the same methods the cavemen's children used is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Fucking hippie luddites.
you know, reading stuff like this, I really fucking hate my country's pro-business policy.
[QUOTE=OrionChronicles;28591288]you know, reading stuff like this, I really fucking hate my country's pro-business policy.[/QUOTE] But without competition how will people know how to short change you?
zeitgeist was right.
[QUOTE=J!NX;28588503]You mean by poisoning the Africans with that shitty food? Nice job.[/QUOTE] Beggars can't be choosers
[QUOTE=s0beit;28590718]Well the refusal of GE crops makes a little bit of sense (if they can't realistically maintain an over-abundance of crops that GE yields) but the author's allegiance to organic crops is strong and comes off a little weird. They dont really say anything about removing the "private" farms, though, from what i can tell they mostly want farmers of the local regions to grow their own food and want countries to stop fucking up their economy by injecting large amounts of subsidized crops into their regions. (Which is a government problem, really) I don't see what this has to do with free markets everyone is posting about, in fact their solution seems more free market than anything.[/QUOTE] How is it more or even less Free market? It's both Capitalist, it's just that corporation controlled farms are the worse Capitalised farming has to offer. It's not like it's going from a kolkhoz to a private farm.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;28591001]The problem I find with organic farming is that it is far too backward, inefficient and actually unhealthy for people. There's all these idiots who think that it will be natural and good for you, but with the wonders of human intervention farming production has increased steadily for the past 10,000 years. With genetic modification we can improve on that further. (There's idiots who tell people not to eat such food to starving people in Africa who then starve.) To throw away 1000s of years of farming developments and go back to the same methods the cavemen's children used is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] its not organic farming's fault we haven't actually made any progress because how backwards and stupid capitalism is.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;28590787]They should work on mechanizing and automating farming, joining them together into larger and larger estates and making the farmers move to the cities. Its been done since the early 1700s and it has worked very well for humans, had we not done it then we would be still stuck in the middle ages.[/QUOTE] forcing people into cities unprepared to take them and replacing large numbers of low-level jobs with just a few jobs requiring high-level training? perfect no it didn't work very well. did you forget about the ridiculous overcrowding and abominable conditions of urban centers at the turn of the century? plus modern farms in America run pretty much entirely on subsidy the author of the article in the OP actually knows what she is talking about. Attempts to modernize farming in developing countries with things like fertilizer and gm crops have been disastrous due to unforeseeable environmental complications
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;28592820]no it didn't work very well. did you forget about the ridiculous overcrowding and abominable conditions of urban centers at the turn of the century? plus modern farms in America run pretty much entirely on subsidy the author of the article in the OP actually knows what she is talking about. Attempts to modernize farming in developing countries with things like fertilizer and gm crops have been disastrous due to unforeseeable environmental complications[/QUOTE] Firstly, conditions did improve in the early 19th century. People in cities lived longer in 1830 than they did in 1730. The increasing wages and slow decline in the price of everything eventually led to many people being able to afford goods and have jobs, and with government intervention the lives of many improved especially later on in the century. The industrial revolution made the nations in Europe rich and powerful. Trade boomed, colonies grew, railways and factories sprouted like mushrooms and the only way this could be done is if people left the farms to work in the cities and the more efficient farmland run by men with business rather than subsistence in mind led to increased production. GM food is brilliant, you can modify it to use less water, grow faster, be more resistant to disease and improve on it. How the fuck does GM food affect the environment? Who even said so? Some idiot hippy who smokes pot all day and thinks that technology is bad? Fertilizer, that is good for agricultural production. As long as the chemicals don't leak into the rivers or shit you are fine to grow crops with it. The previous solution of using animal dung is much more inefficient and shitty (Literally). If you think modern farming methods are bad and that the industrial revolution was bad. Just think that most of your life is around because of them. And that if neither existed you would live in a backwards society of peasant farmers under a feudal lord. Your parents most likely crippled by the age of 30 and you working from dawn to dusk every day of your life from the age of 2 in a muddy field until you died.
This makes me sound like a heartless asshole but still, I think it might be time to start fighting the overpopulation instead of supporting it.
[QUOTE=Eric95;28593105]This makes me sound like a heartless asshole but still, I think it might be time to start fighting the overpopulation instead of supporting it.[/QUOTE] However, when we do reach critical levels, our population will level off till it is equal birth and deaths.
You guys DO realize that hydroponics are entirely organic, right? It's totally workable indoors, which means no pesticides. Also, they're constantly receiving the NATURAL nutrients they need, which means no need for growth hormones or anything of the likes.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;28593885]Also, they're constantly receiving the NATURAL nutrients they need, which means no need for growth hormones or anything of the likes.[/QUOTE] Growth hormones aren't related to missing nutrients, and natural isn't necessarily 'good.'
[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28592704]How is it more or even less Free market? It's both Capitalist, it's just that corporation controlled farms are the worse Capitalised farming has to offer. It's not like it's going from a kolkhoz to a private farm.[/QUOTE] It's more free market because farm subsidizes are anti-free market. They dump their excess into third world countries distorting their market with ill-gotten resources.
[QUOTE=Thy Reaper;28593912]Growth hormones aren't related to missing nutrients, and natural isn't necessarily 'good.'[/QUOTE] Alright, here's an example: [url]http://www.hydroponics-at-home.com/hydroponics-nutrients.html[/url]
couldn't we theoretically fuse atoms together and create heavier elements using fusion?
[QUOTE=Swilly;28593283]However, when we do reach critical levels, our population will level off till it is equal birth and deaths.[/QUOTE] Thats such a load of crock. Sure we wont have more children then is physically possible but in the end all the environmental damage we caused will create a lot of poor hungry barely living humans.
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