[QUOTE=pewlarn;29336038]He must have done something to piss them off, why would they just do something like that to some innocent kid?[/QUOTE]
Some people are just very fucked up in the head.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;29336057]Alright, so technically my point still stands.
In other words, there are a lot of ways how this could happen, and why, I'll try to briefly cover two of them;
A) "hey.. i thought you, katie and kat, should go lure a boy to our place, then we kill him. at least we get his lunch money, but i just wanna BURN HIM"
Verdict; Psycho fucks and the punishment should be ruthless and harsh, even death is justified in my eyes.
B) "God damn that 15-year-old-boy is gonna snitch on our operation, we gotta kill him, here's the plan--"
Verdict; A murder, in such fashion, nearly just as bad as the A), maybe they didn't know how how handle a gun, they were messy on the job, whatever. sentence varying from ten to fifteen up to forty or so years, with or without parole. But wouldn't they get accountable for another crime in this case, the "secret operation" they had going, if that was the reason for a murder.
So, it can make a difference. But either way, these people are fucked[/QUOTE]
Snitching is a valid reason now?
[quote]Sheriff's department documents gave little information about what caused the killing other than brief statements by suspects about a dispute and a growing hatred.[/quote]
This all sounds very gang-related to me. Shit like this happens here, a lot.
It would be ok if they ate him later on
[QUOTE=johan_sm;29336444]Snitching is a valid reason now?[/QUOTE]
Well.. people have been killed for their sexuality, for the shape of their nose, for losing a game of checkers! You get the idea.
So, it is a reason to get killed. I'm not implying it's justified, but it explains it.
And it sure as fuck is different than killing for "fun"
Maybe the 15-year-old knew his killers, maybe he was involved in something with them, or maybe not!
If he was a stranger to them, and they just thought they should kill him for fun, it's a lot more senseless than killing for a loyalty issue, or whatever it was.
I'm not saying that they should walk free, they killed him after all.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;29335338]I vote to do what law does, isolate them from society.[/QUOTE]
And slowly drive them so insane they remain away FOREVER.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;29336057]Alright, so technically my point still stands.
In other words, there are a lot of ways how this could happen, and why, I'll try to briefly cover two of them;
A) "hey.. i thought you, katie and kat, should go lure a boy to our place, then we kill him. at least we get his lunch money, but i just wanna BURN HIM"
Verdict; Psycho fucks and the punishment should be ruthless and harsh, even death is justified in my eyes.
B) "God damn that 15-year-old-boy is gonna snitch on our operation, we gotta kill him, here's the plan--"
Verdict; A murder, in such fashion, nearly just as bad as the A), maybe they didn't know how how handle a gun, they were messy on the job, whatever. sentence varying from ten to fifteen up to forty or so years, with or without parole. But wouldn't they get accountable for another crime in this case, the "secret operation" they had going, if that was the reason for a murder.
So, it can make a difference. But either way, these people are fucked[/QUOTE]
So to you, criminal insanity warrants the death penalty, but cold calculating murder doesn't?
Are you fucking stupid?
[editline]21st April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;29337221]
I'm not saying that they should walk free, they killed him after all.[/QUOTE]
No they didn't. By definition, they have not done anything.
What the heck is going through their heads when they've killed and burned him, and are putting his ashes in a paint can?
Scary shit. Don't know how people can act in this way, no matter what the kid might of done.
i get the feeling they didn't really like him, might be wrong though
[QUOTE=faze;29335247]Those people are fucking asshats. I vote for death penalty. Who agrees?[/QUOTE]
Life sentance. You get to be abused your whole life, then you get to die alone in jail.
[QUOTE=Matthew1;29337684]i get the feeling they didn't really like him, might be wrong though[/QUOTE]
I think you might be on to something..
tell us more
wow you people are harsh
prisons are meant to rehabilitate people, not destroy them
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;29337299]So to you, criminal insanity warrants the death penalty, but cold calculating murder doesn't?
Are you fucking stupid?.[/QUOTE]
So it's stupid to go through the case thoroughly.. yeah.
You don't even know are they criminally insane, as in psycho, fucked up in the head.
They can be just stupid, and evil.
I'm not claiming to know the case, I don't know the 15 year old or how he looked like, was he mature or just an innocent defenseless kid, I don't know.
I mean all these things will get brought up in court anyway, or forever kept in secret. Or something like that.
It is unfortunate, but every story supposedly has two sides.
But it is also possible there's no sense behind this all, which means it was just a senseless act of violence.
Sometimes, quite often I'd imagine, people plead for criminally insane just for their own good, but of course it might be possible that the whole bunch (2 girls, and the other murderers) were ALL CRIMINALLY INSANE AND CANNOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.
Sure, it's possible. But I wouldn't count on that.
[b]edit[/b] bla bla fucking bla, and what do you mean "by definition they haven't done anything wrong" ?
The murder was over a love triangle/facebook feud
[url]http://www.ocala.com/article/20110421/ARTICLES/110429951/1005/sports01?Title=Facebook-posts-show-troubled-relationship-before-teen-s-murder[/url]
[quote]
In a separate conversation started on Facebook on April 7, Seath mocks Amber and accuses her of using drugs and cheating on him with Mike Bargo:
Seath: “hello everbody my name is amber wight and i smoke meth everday i love the stuff ….”
[/quote]
[quote][b]Michael Bargo, 18; Amber Wright, 15[/b]; her brother Kyle Hooper, 16; Charlie Ely, 18; and Justin Soto, 20, have been charged with first-degree murder. James Haven, 37, has been charged with accessory to murder for allegedly helping to dispose of the body and driving Bargo out of town. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Haxxer;29338043]wow you people are harsh
prisons are meant to rehabilitate people, not destroy them[/QUOTE]
They are meant to, but they do the opposite.
[QUOTE=Haxxer;29338043]wow you people are harsh
prisons are meant to rehabilitate people, not destroy them[/QUOTE]
For these sick fucks there is no hope.
[QUOTE=toaster468;29338495]For these sick fucks there is no hope.[/QUOTE]
your 13 year old lifetime might seem mundane, but take your lifetime times 7 and imagine that amount of time in a prison where you are not allowed to eat proper food, sleep well, see your family, have fun or even have a workout
imagine that happening to your best friend, would you allow that to happen to him, even if he did something horrible? wouldn't you want him to get better and become a hard working civilian again?
no? [b]you sick fuck.[/b]
[QUOTE=Noble;29338436]The murder was over a love triangle/facebook feud
[url]http://www.ocala.com/article/20110421/ARTICLES/110429951/1005/sports01?Title=Facebook-posts-show-troubled-relationship-before-teen-s-murder[/url][/QUOTE]
That explains it.
So, my hunch was right, they aren't criminally insane psycho fucks. And there was some "snitching" involved too by the victims part.
Well, they are fucking psycho, but they are held accountable for what they did, because they are sane... Whether they plead insanity, I don't know, I don't care.
First degree murder, there we have it. Some of them are going away for a loooong time.
[b]edit[/b] this is pretty interesting.. all of this.
[QUOTE=faze;29335247]Those people are fucking asshats. I vote for death penalty. Who agrees?[/QUOTE]
I don't.
[QUOTE=Haxxer;29338043]wow you people are harsh
prisons are meant to rehabilitate people, not destroy them[/QUOTE]
Honestly I think they're just meant to keep all the criminals away from society.
And when they get out maybe they'll think again before they fall back to crimes.
make them walk around in public wearing a sign that says I killed a fifteen year old boy please throw cans of paint at me
[QUOTE=Kalibos;29338827]make them walk around in public wearing a sign that says I killed a fifteen year old boy please throw cans of paint at me[/QUOTE]
Bring them out in public, carve their heart out, hold it up in the air and yell "BEHOLD, THE HEART OF A TRAITOR"
I think they even used to do that back in the "good" old days, the punishments were a whole lot harsher at least, unlike today.
I don't even see death penalty as the "extreme" punishment, it's justified in many cases, unlike some unnecessary torturing which some people here might suggest.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;29338861]Bring them out in public, carve their heart out, hold it up in the air and yell "BEHOLD, THE HEART OF A TRAITOR"
I think they even used to do that back in the "good" old days, the punishments were a whole lot harsher at least, unlike today.[/QUOTE]
What you're proposing is volumes worse than the act that caused you to post this in the first place
Welcome to ITN, Hypocrisy Central
[QUOTE=Noble;29338436]The murder was over a love triangle/facebook feud
[url]http://www.ocala.com/article/20110421/ARTICLES/110429951/1005/sports01?Title=Facebook-posts-show-troubled-relationship-before-teen-s-murder[/url][/QUOTE]
I think I lost some braincells reading their posts on facebook.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;29338861]Bring them out in public, carve their heart out, hold it up in the air and yell "BEHOLD, THE HEART OF A TRAITOR"
I think they even used to do that back in the "good" old days, the punishments were a whole lot harsher at least, unlike today.
I don't even see death penalty as the "extreme" punishment, it's justified in many cases, unlike some unnecessary torturing which some people here might suggest.[/QUOTE]
you're a goddamn moron
literally every post I've seen you make in this thread has been stupid just stop it
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;29338370]So it's stupid to go through the case thoroughly.. yeah.
[b]edit[/b] bla bla fucking bla, and what do you mean "by definition they haven't done anything wrong" ?[/QUOTE]
One, please stop posting in a format where you have
a
line break
after every three
words.
It's really annoying and it makes your posts incredibly tedious to read and to respond to. By my statement saying they haven't done anything wrong yet, I mean that all persons are innocent until proven guilty. As of yet, none of them have done a single thing related to this case. So by definition, they are all completely innocent, and it's wrong of us to assume otherwise.
(This is when you would begin a new paragraph, when your subject changes, or you've completely expanded upon a point. You can also begin new paragraphs that expand on the old for formatting reasons as well.) Now, responding to your first point, you devised a scenario in your original post that I was responding to that depicts these people as clearly being criminally insane, and said that that original scenario is worse than if they were killing for revenge or for money. So based on your response to your self-created little scenarios, you view the criminally insane as fit for murder, which is a human rights violation.
[QUOTE=Haxxer;29338043]wow you people are harsh
prisons are meant to rehabilitate people, not destroy them[/QUOTE]
And what if these people are otherwise sane individuals who simply don't think there's anything wrong with killing people? How do you rehabilitate someone if they don't think anything is wrong with them?
[QUOTE=Mingebox;29339145]And what if these people are otherwise sane individuals who simply don't think there's anything wrong with killing people? How do you rehabilitate someone if they don't think anything is wrong with them?[/QUOTE]
Through the mental health professions, you use the latest techniques, supported by the best available evidence, to reform them.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;29339145]And what if these people are otherwise sane individuals who simply don't think there's anything wrong with killing people? How do you rehabilitate someone if they don't think anything is wrong with them?[/QUOTE]
Do you know what rehabilitate means? You don't just throw somebody in a cell and tell them they can come out when they think about what they've done. You talk with them about what they've done and attempt to change their behavior through group sessions or drug treatments. Nobody is incapable of rehabilitation.
[QUOTE=Sanius;29339189]Nobody is incapable of rehabilitation.[/QUOTE]
Except the people who refuse it, in which case I have nothing against life imprisonment
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