I hope these get put away for life. Something like that is just unacceptable and sick
Can we at least run tests on the 6 people? I want to know what makes them tick.
[QUOTE=R3allybored;29422145]Can we at least run tests on the 6 people? I want to know what makes them tick.[/QUOTE]What kind of a stupid suggestion is that?
Wow. i'm speechless..
[QUOTE=johan_sm;29422315]What kind of a stupid suggestion is that?[/QUOTE]
he's probably referring to a psychiatric evaluation
[QUOTE=ccg;29390149]That's really fucked up. Just imagine the pain the boy's mother is going through right now because of them.
:smith:[/QUOTE]
Maybe she has already forgiven them, and loves them.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;29422315]What kind of a stupid suggestion is that?[/QUOTE]
How is it stupid? The more study we do on violent behaviors, the more knowledge we'll have to develop means to prevent crime that actually work.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;29424430]How is it stupid? The more study we do on violent behaviors, the more knowledge we'll have to develop means to prevent crime that actually work.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty funny.
People have tried everything to stop the violence. Some guy even told that if you didn't do anything bad, you'd go to heaven. But as we all know, he got killed for that.
Like the guy says in the video game, as long as there's two people left on the planet, [b]someone's gonna want someone DEAD[/b] for whatever reason, be it betrayal or whatever delicate.
It's just us you know, I think.
[QUOTE=JDK721;29411343]no it's not. executing them will solve nothing.[/QUOTE]
If that was your own child you would have said the opposite.
[QUOTE=Random94;29445916]If that was your own child you would have said the opposite.[/QUOTE]
nope
[QUOTE=Random94;29445916]If that was your own child you would have said the opposite.[/QUOTE]
nope
[QUOTE=JDK721;29445958]nope[/QUOTE]
So you are going to let them walk away in good health after spending a 10 year prison sentence, and they will walk out of prison still in good health and with experience therefore whenever they murder again, they know now how to evade arrest and prison time, therefore this just makes them more experienced and skilled whenever they want to do anything like this again.
[QUOTE=Random94;29446314]So you are going to let them walk away in good health after spending a 10 year prison sentance, and they will walk out of prison still in good health and with experience therefore whenever they murder again, they know now how to evade arrest and prison time.[/QUOTE]
10 year prison sentence? what? they're probably going to get a much longer sentence than that.
and about evading arrest/prison time, that's not really likely if you murder someone.
[QUOTE=JDK721;29446341]10 year prison sentence? what? they're probably going to get a much longer sentence than that.
and about evading arrest/prison time, that's not really likely if you murder someone.[/QUOTE]
I mean that as an example (dont know US laws), also evading arrest as in destroying evidence due to learning from past mistakes, this just makes them experienced in commiting murder and getting away with it.
[QUOTE=Random94;29446314]So you are going to let them walk away in good health[/QUOTE]
Oh, no. I would never do that! I would rather murder them in cold blood which would miraculously undo whatever they did and I would get a free ride to heaven.
[QUOTE=Sanius;29446444]Oh, no. I would never do that! I would rather murder them in cold blood which would miraculously undo whatever they did and I would get a free ride to heaven.[/QUOTE]
I didint mean killing them in revenge, i meant that they would be taken to court, tried, then executed, that gets rid of them and any threat they pose to the community(also why should society give tax money to fund meals and health care for these murderers, they dont deserve it), also how are you so sure he will learn anything from his experience in prison?
[QUOTE=Random94;29446467]I didint mean killing them in revenge, i meant that they would be taken to court, tried, then executed, that gets rid of them and any threat they pose to the community.[/QUOTE]
They pose just as much a threat as anybody else, unless they have a bomb strapped to themselves that will blow up at any given time. Killing somebody, whether sanctioned by the government or not, is bad.
[QUOTE=Sanius;29446502]They pose just as much a threat as anybody else, unless they have a bomb strapped to themselves that will blow up at any given time. Killing somebody, rather sanctioned by the government or not, is bad.[/QUOTE]
they actually pose a greater risk than the petty criminal, a murderer threatens the life of another human being, and actually keeping them for years and keeping them in prison and giving them a feeling of saftey,food and recreation wont teach them a lesson, so they will leave prison without being disciplined, they could even learn new skills from far more dangerous criminals that they could be freinds with.
for exmaple would a 20-25 year prison sentence stop [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Garavito]Luis Garavito[/URL] from victimising hundreds young boys again?
Any updates on the story behind this?
[QUOTE=Random94;29446694]they actually pose a greater risk than the petty criminal, a murderer threatens the life of another human being, and actually keeping them for years and keeping them in prison and giving them a feeling of saftey,food and recreation wont teach them a lesson, so they will leave prison without being disciplined, they could even learn new skills from far more dangerous criminals that they could be freinds with.[/QUOTE]
"Hey guys, are prison system is shit and people are coming out of it desensitized and violent, think we should do something about that?"
"NAH LETS JUST KILL EVERYONE THAT WILL SOLVE IT"
[QUOTE]for exmaple would a 20-25 year prison sentence stop [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Garavito]Luis Garavito[/URL] from victimising hundreds young boys again?[/QUOTE]
This is irrelevant because serial killers do not go to jail for 20-25 years.
(Hint: they go to jail for much longer)
[QUOTE=JDK721;29445958]no it's not. executing them will solve nothing.[/QUOTE]
the fact that it solves nothing itself means [b]NOTHING[/b]
but i'm by no means implying these people in this particular case should be executed, but a some sort of kidnapping and murdering someone, in such fucking fashion, should grant someone a life sentence at least. that's what you'd probably suggest too, or something like that. so it's a thin line between the words life and death here again
so, death penalty is so justified punishment i can't think of a better one for those who've got convicted for the all kinda evil shit they've done ever since the dawn of god damned man! why are you so blue eyed?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;29453707]the fact that is solves nothing itself means [b]NOTHING[/b][/QUOTE]
what
yeah you think on that, if you don't mind reading the rest of my post. I tend to edit, as my mind wanders
[QUOTE=JDK721;29411343]no it's not. executing them will solve nothing.[/QUOTE]
It'll solve the space issues and lighten the financial burden of penitentiaries on normal non-murdering citizens.
I seriously don't understand life sentences. Especially multiple life sentences. Why spend ~$24,922 [url=http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-does-it-cost-per-year-to-keep-someone-in-prison][1][/url] a year to keep this one person in jail when they could just be dead. Not taking up money and space.
Why? I mean it costs money to keep them alive, they contribute nothing to society, they kill people, the world is becoming overpopulated, they have no one that loves them. There is literally no reason not to just get rid of them.
[QUOTE=-Mud-;29453360]"Hey guys, are prison system is shit and people are coming out of it desensitized and violent, think we should do something about that?"
"NAH LETS JUST KILL EVERYONE THAT WILL SOLVE IT"[/quote]
The thing that you and people like you don't get is they are fundamentally messed up. Fubar. They are not going to be fixed and no number of shrink visits or years of prison time will change that. Plus, keeping people in prison [b]isn't free[/b]. Its far from it.
Its not like courts will toss the death penalty around willy nilly. They sentence it to people who deserve it and who have staggering amounts of evidence against them.
[QUOTE=0xDev;29484431]It'll solve the space issues and lighten the financial burden of penitentiaries on normal non-murdering citizens.[/QUOTE]
Just FYI, deciding who lives or dies based on how much money they cost the state is a horrible thing to do, and you are a horrible person for thinking it.
[QUOTE]
I seriously don't understand life sentences. Especially multiple life sentences. Why spend ~$24,922 [url=http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-does-it-cost-per-year-to-keep-someone-in-prison][1][/url] a year to keep this one person in jail when they could just be dead. Not taking up money and space.[/QUOTE]
Psst it's because killing people is barbaric and does nothing to solve the problem or provide justice to those involved.
[QUOTE]
Why? I mean it costs money to keep them alive, they contribute nothing to society, they kill people, the world is becoming overpopulated, they have no one that loves them. There is literally no reason not to just get rid of them.
[/QUOTE]
1. Not as much as it costs to execute them.
2. This is not grounds for execution, and you should feel bad for thinking it is.
3. [i]Killed[/i] people, past tense, they don't continue to kill people in prison.
4. No it isn't.
5. This is baseless, stupid, and yet another poor justification for execution.
[QUOTE]
The thing that you and people like you don't get is they are fundamentally messed up. Fubar. They are not going to be fixed and no number of shrink visits or years of prison time will change that. Plus, keeping people in prison [b]isn't free[/b]. Its far from it.
Its not like courts will toss the death penalty around willy nilly. They sentence it to people who deserve it and who have staggering amounts of evidence against them.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates]Because our justice system is infallible[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution]and innocent people have never, ever, been executed.[/url]
So, abolish the death sentence because human life is sacred? Well I got a newsflash for you, human life is far from sacred.
Hell, why are the lives of livestock animals less sacred then? I don't see cows going out raping, stealing, using and selling drugs, murdering and torturing people, let alone driving cars or going to work. Oh wait, they do go to work, to the slaughterhouse. So we sentence their lives to death anyway, but for good reasons; because we want to turn them into edible meat lumps.
But in some truly evil murderers/rapists case, we like to think they are all puppy-eyed, and we don't want to sentence them to death because; they are humans. What a privilege!
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;29486587]So, abolish the death sentence because human life is sacred? Well I got a newsflash for you, human life is far from sacred.
Hell, why are the lives of livestock animals less sacred then? I don't see cows going out raping, stealing, using and selling drugs, murdering and torturing people, let alone driving cars or going to work. Oh wait, they do go to work, to the slaughterhouse. So we sentence their lives to death anyway, but for good reasons; because we want to turn them into edible meat lumps.
But in some truly evil murderers/rapists case, we like to think they are all puppy-eyed, and we don't want to sentence them to death because; they are humans. What a privilege![/QUOTE]
Your misanthropy doesn't really factor in law or ethics. Human life is indeed sacred. Even then, it's not up to OTHERS to decide the life of another.
I find it funny how those who are for the death penalty are almost always conservatives who constantly whine about how they want less government, yet they are perfectly fine with the government asserting that they own their lives and can take it away as they please.
[QUOTE=Sanius;29486852]I find it funny how those who are for the death penalty are almost always conservatives who constantly whine about how they want less government, yet they are perfectly fine with the government asserting that they own their lives and can take it away as they please.[/QUOTE]
Can't get much more anti-life then Conservatives.
[QUOTE=amute;29486798]Your misanthropy doesn't really factor in law or ethics. Human life is indeed sacred. Even then, it's not up to OTHERS to decide the life of another.[/QUOTE]
I'm not misanthropic, I've just come to realize what humanity is about in general; it's everything between the good AND the bad. Humans can be ruthless, evil, benevolent, creative, whatever, and you know it.
But then who is it up to, to decide the life of another who has proven himself to have no respect for life at all? Is it up to God? Hmm?
Or are you saying that some violent tattooed killer methhead should be given the choice to DIE if he get's convicted for lifetime? Lol. There's not much freedom of choice in that either, or sure but the outcome is the same.
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