Feds Order Chicago School to Allow Locker Room Access for Transgender Student - Polidicks

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49046279]But o think the argument goes back to "if they're not comfortable with it, they can change in private" What's really making them uncomfortablr, seeing a prnis in the locker room, or being seen by what they think is a boy in the locker room? If it's the former, then that's just an irrational fear. If it's the latter then they need to realize that she's not a boy, and she's likely not even attracted to you. I'm not comfortable going to the locker room at a public pool and being around old naked guys. Do I tell them they have to get out? No I just go change in private[/QUOTE] So now all the girls should change in private if they are uncomfortable, and the one transgender who had to before now doesnt? So its a literal role reversal for 1 person for the vast majority? Lol what? How are you having such a hard time understanding that high school teenage girls have a very valid complaint of being uncomfortable around a dick and balls with someone who hasnt transitioned yet with the surgery. Yes, that actually matters a lot to people, why cant you understand that and see that those people arent exactly in the fault. We are talking specifically about high school girls in a locker room. If I was that transgender I would suck it up, and change privately because I wouldnt want to make everyone else in the locker room uncomfortable. If I went through the surgery and shit, id tell them to fuck off. Yet in this case, that hasnt happened yet.

[QUOTE=SinjinOmega;49046084]Why do I feel like this whole thing is a shitstorm simply because no one here can stop calling eachother "Transphobic" or "Overly-Progressive". I'm paraphrasing here but goddamn, both sides have a good point. I'm in the camp that "If you have a penis you go to the men's room.", but at the same time I also feel like there is a solution that works for everyone. We simply just haven't found one yet.[/QUOTE] You cannot solve a problem that does not exist. If people can't handle having a transgender in their bathroom it's their problem. Wait, there is a problem, and it's not with being transgender, it's with people being dumb and unable to accept that there are more people in the world that deserve respect too.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49046305]So now all the girls should change in private if they are uncomfortable, and the one transgender who had to before now doesnt? So its a literal role reversal for 1 person for the vast majority? Lol what? How are you having such a hard time understanding that high school teenage girls have a very valid complaint of being uncomfortable around a dick and balls with someone who hasnt transitioned yet with the surgery. Yes, that actually matters a lot to people, why cant you understand that and see that those people arent exactly in the fault. We are talking specifically about high school girls in a locker room. If I was that transgender I would suck it up, and change privately because I wouldnt want to make everyone else in the locker room uncomfortable. If I went through the surgery and shit, id tell them to fuck off. Yet in this case, that hasnt happened yet.[/QUOTE] What do they have to be afraid of a dick for? It's not like she's going to rape them. She's likely not even attracted to them. Once again, it really just goes back to an irrational fear of the opposite sex's genitals. It's got nothing to do with being seen naked by someone of the opposite sex. What does the surgery matter? The surgery just turns your penis inside out to look like a vagina. It'd still there. Are you saying the entire reason for discomfort has NOTHING to do with whether or not she's a boy or girl, NOTHING to do with the fear of being seen naked by the opposite gender, it's 100% because they are intimidated by a PENIS? That's irrational fear right there

Jesus fucking Christ where are our mods? The first two pages of this thread are filled with some of the most disgustingly blatant transphobia I've ever seen in my 5 years on this forum. If anyone is reading this, please do the forums a favor and report them.

[QUOTE=Fouytan222;49046440]Jesus fucking Christ where are our mods? The first two pages of this thread are filled with some of the most disgustingly blatant transphobia I've ever seen in my 5 years on this forum. If anyone is reading this, please do the forums a favor and report them.[/QUOTE] Giving them this sort of attention isn't gonna help either. They're either gonna use it as ammo or they'll fuck off to their imageboard and post about it there. Report and ignore instead.

[QUOTE=Fouytan222;49046440]Jesus fucking Christ where are our mods? The first two pages of this thread are filled with some of the most disgustingly blatant transphobia I've ever seen in my 5 years on this forum. If anyone is reading this, please do the forums a favor and report them.[/QUOTE] I disagree. Transphobia is hate combined with ignorance. I think the people here just need to be shown the way the other side sees it. It can be very hard to try to comprehend trans lifestyle and mentality if all you've ever been exposed to your entire life is the gender role you were given. Nobody here has said "He's not a girl, he's a freak" or "Transgenders are mentally ill" or anything. I think that most people here are pretty accepting but they just draw the line at the locker room. [editline]4th November 2015[/editline] And banning someone for having these opposing views isn't going to convince them otherwise. If you want more acceptance, we need to have dialogue about the subject

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49046421]What do they have to be afraid of a dick for? It's not like she's going to rape them. She's likely not even attracted to them. Once again, it really just goes back to an irrational fear of the opposite sex's genitals. It's got nothing to do with being seen naked by someone of the opposite sex. What does the surgery matter? The surgery just turns your penis inside out to look like a vagina. It'd still there. Are you saying the entire reason for discomfort has NOTHING to do with whether or not she's a boy or girl, NOTHING to do with the fear of being seen naked by the opposite gender, it's 100% because they are intimidated by a PENIS? That's irrational fear right there[/QUOTE] I cant explain to you why people are uncomfortable with others genitalia. This is really falling on you at this point. It makes plenty of people uncomfortable, trans or not trans, why the fuck cannot you not see this? Why not just let everyone with dicks and balls into the girls locker room? Hmm? Why not allow gay boys in the girls changing locker rooms? I mean they arent attracted to the girls, I mean why not? Your argument is pretty much coming down to "why have anyone separated at all ever in bathrooms/changing rooms" but I seriously cant sit here and explain over and over that type of stuff in those places makes people uncomfortable. You are just in the wrong here. Other people matter and so do their feelings, especially the entire majority of the girls. But nah, they deserve to feel uncomfortable and shit going to school from now on because 1 person. Just because YOUR comfortable with this, does not mean others are, especially teenaged high school girls who have said they are ALL uncomfortable with it. Once again, they dont matter fucking at ALL. I want you to really realize, this is coming from someone who if I was personally one of those girls, I wouldnt give a fuck. I dont care who changes in front of me or uses the bathrooms I do as long as they arent creeping on me, which would be a negative for any person. If this was planet fitness or some shit, id be for the transgender because thats a choice to be a part of a place like that, the locker rooms are 100% optional, and its pretty much adults. Yet right now we are specifically talking about young teenage girls at a high school who dont have a choice to do gym or change if my school history is anything to go by. The only choice they have is to change privately, so now they are in the exact same position the transgender girl was in before the change. So how is this helpful?

[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;49045131]In short, someone who's transgender is simply someone whose gender identity is different from their biological sex. Allowing things like these makes transgender folks feel more comfortable about themselves and their body (whether or not that's pre or post surgery). There's been studies on this. Plenty of them. The simple answer is that their brains are naturally wired more like the gender they identify as, rather than the gender dictated by the sex organs they were born with.[/QUOTE] It's also important to note that usually it's not just about social gender, but often people with gender dysphoria feel physically uncomfortable and wrong for having their sexual organs, which is the main reason trans people don't just change the way they dress and act, but also go through transitional surgery. But sometimes, trans people don't feel that physical dysphoria and don't worry about the surgery. It is actually physically quantifiable, gender dysphoria, which is something that isn't talked about. It's not a purely social thing but has biological factors: [quote]Genetic variation, hormones, and differences in brain functioning and brain structures provide evidence for the biological etiology of the symptoms associated with GID. Twin studies indicate that GID is 62% heritable, evidencing the genetic influence or prenatal development as its origin.[21] In male-to-female transsexuals, GID is associated with variations in an individual's genes that make the individual less sensitive to androgens.[1] Zhou et al. (1995) found that in one area of the brain, male-to-female transsexuals have a typically female structure, and female-to-male transsexuals have a typically male structure[/quote] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#Diagnosis[/url] I think the main issue fuelling transphobia is that people just don't understand it. The reality is, it's a genuine condition and that's a consensus within the scientific community on the matter, and the best steps for managing it are to allow that person to transition from an early age. There's negligible cases of someone being diagnosed and realising later they weren't transgender, by the way, the people performing the diagnoses generally know what they're doing.

[QUOTE=Fouytan222;49046440]Jesus fucking Christ where are our mods? The first two pages of this thread are filled with some of the most disgustingly blatant transphobia I've ever seen in my 5 years on this forum. If anyone is reading this, please do the forums a favor and report them.[/QUOTE] "THEY'RE EXPRESSING OPPOSING VIEWS, REPORT THEM!!! MODDDDDDDDS" srsly m8. Some people are just saying they don't agree with some points brought up, not outright calling for some sort of genocide or attacking a group of people.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49046525]I cant explain to you why people are uncomfortable with others genitalia. This is really falling on you at this point.[/quote] Exactly; it's an irrational fear. If you can't explain it, it's irrational. [quote]It makes plenty of people uncomfortable, trans or not trans, why the fuck cannot you not see this? Why not just let everyone with dicks and balls into the girls locker room? Hmm? Why not allow gay boys in the girls changing locker rooms? I mean they arent attracted to the girls, I mean why not?[/quote] Listen: I realize it makes people uncomfortable. I'm saying it shouldn't. Honestly, why NOT allow gay guys in? Why not? What's the problem? [quote]Your argument is pretty much coming down to "why have anyone separated at all ever in bathrooms/changing rooms" but I seriously cant sit here and explain over and over that type of stuff in those places makes people uncomfortable. You are just in the wrong here. Other people matter and so do their feelings, especially the entire majority of the girls.[/quote] I'm saying why do we have communal changing rooms? Who decided that girls are okay being naked around other girls and guys are okay being naked around other guys. If someone is uncomfortable with a situation, they should remove themselves from that situation. It's just a colossal double standard. I don't want to be naked in front of anybody except for my girlfriend. When I'm in a locker room, I change in the stalls. [quote]But nah, they deserve to feel uncomfortable and shit going to school from now on because 1 person.[/quote] Once again, they can just change in the stalls. If I'm at a locker room and I see some old dude whose balls are down to his knees walking around naked, I don't say "hey bruh I don't want you to see my dick, go to the stall to change". No, I go to the stall myself because the world doesn't revolve around me

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49046562]Exactly; it's an irrational fear. If you can't explain it, it's irrational. Listen: I realize it makes people uncomfortable. I'm saying it shouldn't. Honestly, why NOT allow gay guys in? Why not? What's the problem? I'm saying why do we have communal changing rooms? Who decided that girls are okay being naked around other girls and guys are okay being naked around other guys. If someone is uncomfortable with a situation, they should remove themselves from that situation. It's just a colossal double standard. I don't want to be naked in front of anybody except for my girlfriend. When I'm in a locker room, I change in the stalls. Once again, they can just change in the stalls. If I'm at a locker room and I see some old dude whose balls are down to his knees walking around naked, I don't say "hey bruh I don't want you to see my dick, go to the stall to change". No, I go to the stall myself because the world doesn't revolve around me[/QUOTE] Why cant the transgender just change in the stalls of shes so uncomfortable? You asking me long standing societal questions, shit thats been around longer than either of us have been alive. People just give a fuck and there really isnt much wrong with that concerning changing rooms/bathrooms to an extent, at the very least in schools.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49046592]Why cant the transgender just change in the stalls of shes so uncomfortable? You asking me long standing societal questions, shit thats been around longer than either of us have been alive. People just give a fuck and there really isnt much wrong with that concerning changing rooms/bathrooms to an extent, at the very least in schools.[/QUOTE] Apparently she's not uncomfortable. And I'm guessing it's a political statement, really. Yeah, but just because something is a standard in society doesn't make it right. People were probably uncomfortable when black people got to use the white bathrooms and locker rooms. They were wrong then. You can't just say "it's wrong because society says so", you have to use reason. You're just appealing to emotion here.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49046617]Apparently she's not uncomfortable. And I'm guessing it's a political statement, really. Yeah, but just because something is a standard in society doesn't make it right. People were probably uncomfortable when black people got to use the white bathrooms and locker rooms. They were wrong then. You can't just say "it's wrong because society says so", you have to use reason. You're just appealing to emotion here.[/QUOTE] Im appealing to the entirety of all the girls feeling uncomfortable now when going to school. In fact, appealing to emotion is appealing to the transgender girl because her emotion was feeling like a freak(so she did care). In both cases its actually appealing to emotion. People just feel more comfortable being around the same sex and sexual organs when it comes to being undressed near them. You cannot use race as an example, because even with black people couldnt use white bathrooms, there were still women and men bathrooms/locker rooms. Transgender, sex, and sexual organs have nothing to do with race, or even come close.

[QUOTE=Fouytan222;49046440]Jesus fucking Christ where are our mods? The first two pages of this thread are filled with some of the most disgustingly blatant transphobia I've ever seen in my 5 years on this forum. If anyone is reading this, please do the forums a favor and report them.[/QUOTE] Get over yourself, good gravy. No one here has said anything hateful

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;49046721]Get over yourself, good gravy. No one here has said anything hateful[/QUOTE] Funny thing is, the one that actually did got permabanned in this very thread already lol.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49046687] People just feel more comfortable being around the same sex and sexual organs when it comes to being undressed near them. You cannot use race as an example, because even with black people couldnt use white bathrooms, there were still women and men bathrooms/locker rooms. [/QUOTE] Not trying to fling shit (even though I do not believe in any of the points you have made in this thread and I think you are wrong), but what are you basing this statement on? I'm uncomfortable being naked around anyone, and to be completely honest I think I would prefer get undressed in front of a woman than a man. Do you feel you can make such a blanket statement because you assume it has always been the case? Isn't the existence of segregated changing rooms make it a vicious cycle where you are uncomfortable getting undressed in front of the opposite sex because you are told not to do it and you get segregated into single sex changing rooms from the start? And you can certainly use race as an example, I don't know why you think you can't. I think the best option is to have massive unisex rooms with cubicles for every individual. No one has to see anyone or anything. Let's keep all interactions to a minimum.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49046562]Honestly, why NOT allow gay guys in? Why not? What's the problem?[/QUOTE] With a quick glance you cannot tell apart a gay man from a straight man visually. In other words unless you explain to all current and future members which males are gay and thus will use the locker room this will cause massive confusion. Even that would fail to be enough to avoid discomfort. This needlessly complicates something that doesn't need to be complicated. Just because something is irrational doesn't mean that distress won't be caused. The world is irrational and you need to account for that. Making laws or important decisions based on some form of idealism is foolish. Reality is cruel and inconvenient and we need to simply work around it to arrive at the most practical solution. To me the solution seems to be add a couple of stalls for shy people and people that don't easily fit in due to other issues gay/transgender/whatever. This would work just fine as long as you don't attach any shame to changing in private. Forcing the matter legally would just mean that people that exercised their rights would be bullied for using them. It wouldn't really help anyone and would probably end up making everybody unhappy.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/02/us/document-letter-from-the-us-dept-of-education-to-daniel-cates.html[/url] Linked here is the full letter of complaint. It's much more information regarding the subject and the school's actions

Honestly, I never once changed in front of other girls in my high school locker room. Almost everyone went to go change in private. I'm not sure where the whole "they're just EXPOSING COCK AND BALLS" comes from. People aren't just whipping out their junk or their breasts in locker rooms, especially not in high school????? There are adults in those locker rooms too and doing so would be a huge breach of district policy. Showers typically are individual and if they're not, then that particular school is [I]very[/I] far behind recent standards. If I'm gonna be uncomfortable, I'm gonna be uncomfortable around everyone, not just one particular individual whose junk I'm probably not even gonna see because why would I want to? Male or female???? I feel like a lot of this discomfort comes from this preconceived notion that locker rooms are a full nude free-for-all, when that's not the case at all. Along with the whole "he's obviously still a boy and therefore he must be attracted to me and will want to show me his genitals at some point". Like? I doubt that's happening. It's a bunch of presumed situations that are more than likely not happening. I can understand the discomfort of the girls because it's something they're undoubtedly not used to, but at the same time, transgender individuals are becoming more and more confident in revealing themselves and will start to want to have fair treatment in public spaces. This is not and will not ever be a unique situation and it requires some adaptation as well as education. There's no solid solution to it, presently, because we as a society have not progressed enough to provide one that works for everyone. People will be unhappy, regardless. Because what happens when she goes into a men's locker room and [I]they[/I] complain about being uncomfortable? What then? There's no real viable solution. [editline]4th November 2015[/editline] That being said, I would much prefer middle/high schools to have[I] individual[/I] changing areas that are fully accessible to ALL genders/sexes. Probably would've used that and ONLY that if they existed when I was still in school. Changing around other people was not fun. [editline]4th November 2015[/editline] But that goes into schools not having appropriate budget and funding and that's a whole 'nother topic, I think.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;49044920]Instead of saying "people are uncomfortable, we need to protect them from feeling like that," why don't we just do what we did with black people and gay people and [i]push people towards feeling less uncomfortable through understanding[/i]? I was in theatre in high school and I regularly had to get into costume around gay men. Was I uncomfortable? At first, maybe, and then I realized that there was no reason to be because I wasn't interested in them anyways and because the public perception of gays as crazy sexual deviants was shot out of the sky through huge social movements. Let's do the same for trans people. Would you prevent a woman with an oversized clitoris from changing in the same room? She looks like a man down there. It's uncomfortable for the other girls. What about an obese girl? It's uncomfortable for the other girls to look at her, she should be moved away. At some point, protecting the comfort of the "normal" people begins to impinge on the rights of the "unusual" people. If the Federal Government can recognize that, everyone else should start realizing the same.[/QUOTE] I get what you're saying, but I don't exactly agree with your point (although I do to some degree). Do you remember how the U.S. tried to make people comfortable with blacks at the end of segregation? Because it wasn't by "understanding", but by force. They pushed people together and said "deal with it". While this may be one way to go about it, it doesn't create the smoothest transition, nor does it promote the correct views and dynamics. There was a LOT of pain in that process. In my opinion, forcing the issue like this is taking that same failed approach to a genuine issue, and all it's going to do is cause people to shut down and be hateful instead of allowing them to open up and be welcoming. I can imagine that even if she does start using the girls locker room, she will be ostracized and shunned for it because in reality, there is nothing in place to provide the understanding. This will end up in a painful process for everyone when in reality, it doesn't have to be. There is no reason to be using the same flawed strategies of the past this day in age.

[QUOTE=SinjinOmega;49046084]Why do I feel like this whole thing is a shitstorm simply because no one here can stop calling eachother "Transphobic" or "Overly-Progressive". I'm paraphrasing here but goddamn, both sides have a good point. I'm in the camp that "If you have a penis you go to the men's room.", but at the same time I also feel like there is a solution that works for everyone. We simply just haven't found one yet.[/QUOTE] Single-room unisex bathrooms [editline]4th November 2015[/editline] idk about locker rooms though I'm uncomfortable undressing in front of anyone I don't know well

[QUOTE=V12US;49045230]In reality, the picture of a little man and woman stand for penis-room and vagina-room, but ofcourse you can't just put a picture of a penis or a vagina on the door. It does't matter what gender you identify as. If you have a penis, you go in the penis-room. It doesn't matter how badly you want to get a vagina in the future, or whether you wear women's clothing. It's irrelevant. Penises go in the penis-room. You complain about your wishes of going in the vagina-room don't get respected, eventhough you wear the name and the clothes of the vagina? How about you first learn to respect the wishes of vaginas to not be confronted with a penis when they are in the vagina-room. [B][I]You are not the center of the world and you cannot expect the world to accomodate the wishes of a single person if those wishes end up seriously discomforting everyone else.[/I][/B][/QUOTE] Yeah, I think people will be less uncomfortable if trans people just used the facilities associated with their genitalia. I mean, that's really the big thing, isn't it? Making sure nobody is uncomfortable, and logically, you go in the restrooms associated with your genitals, right? Like, take Michael Hughes for example, he's a transgender man: [t]http://i.imgur.com/FNIR0WG.jpg[/t] I don't see how him being in a men's room would make anyone more comfortable. I mean, he's got a vagina right? [I]Clearly[/I] he belongs in the "vagina-room".

[QUOTE=Blue Meanie;49043519]Why the hell does everyone think girls should have to remove their clothing in front of someone who (in their head) switched genders, possibly with taking certain medicines to seem more feminine and literally could have done it for any number of reasons in their head which are unconfirmed?[/QUOTE] Oh boy do I have to start ripping into people again? I suggest stoping because you're entire argument is based on false assumptions and ignorance. [quote] I'm sorry but this is weird as hell, a lot of locker rooms don't even have stalls unless their is a toilet part of it. I know most people probably disagree with me, I don't know why though, I don't know why something like this that is weird as fuck gets allowed in a highschool full of kids.[/quote] "Oh god think of the children they might see a willy if they're staring at someone while they change!" [quote] This weird shit is not some 'learning to accept' bullshit, it's girls getting forced to be in an extremely uncomfortable situation, what a fucking disgrace.[/quote] A comparatively minor discomfort relative to what the trans individual is experiencing. Since when has minor discomfort been an excuse to discriminate? [quote] I understand she identifies as a female for years, some of them probably have no problem with her, yet the more I read stories like this I see someone being able to change in the girls locker room just for saying "I'm a girl now", or a 'trans gendered' 'woman' who looks nothing like one, has no tits, has a saggy old ballsack who is actually just a 50 year old dude using the female locker rooms completely naked.[/quote] You have some serious misconceptions about trans people. Furthermore since when was "having tits" a criteria for being classified as a woman? I guess prepubescent girls and women who've had Mastectomy aren't women [quote] No, I'm sorry this is a complete fucking delusion, I have no problem with these people but you do not get to be fucking creepy, saying "oh you must be sexist" or "How ignorant you are..." because they wanna use the opposite gender's dressing room.[/quote] It's not the opposite gender though. They identify as women, thus they are women. [quote] Their needs to be a whole separate one for it, not fucking forcing women to deal with seeing a disgusting old naked dude.[/quote] Now we get to the calling part where you start referring to transpeople as "it" and say we should have our own segregated facilities. [quote] For this scenario, I can guarantee some of them are extremely uncomfortable[/quote] So? When trans individuals start to actually be accepted in society then this will be a non-issue. As it stands discomfort should not stand in the way of the rights of trans people. People will get used to it. [quote] this weird shit just needs to be handled differently without forcing people to deal with creepy weird-ass stuff like this when they just wanna go to school and have a normal day without having to see a dick-bulge in the female locker room, that pretty fuckin inappropriate.[/quote] "oh no mommy i saw willy" has less to do with trans people and more to do with the asinine taboo America has regarding genitalia. Furthermore most trans people are quite adept at "hiding their willy" [quote] Just have a genderless changing room, don't force people to deal with something awkward and uncomfortable.[/quote] "Just segregate them to their own changing room it'll be fine"

I mean I guess if you compare it to racial segregation it makes a bit more sense, because I mean it makes sense kind of. The stigma surrounding it makes people uncomfortable but that's all viable to change [editline]4th November 2015[/editline] Like people are a lot more comfortable with gay people now after a lot of social campaigning and stuff and things have changed quite a bit

[QUOTE=V12US;49045617]Sexuality and racism have nothing to do with each other. You cannot justify this whole debacle by comparing it to racial segregation.[/quote] Trangenderism has absolutely nothing to do with who you stick your dick in. Furthermore its a quite valid comparison as there is no reason to segregate other then asinine social taboos and bigotry. [quote] No, I just don't see the point in sticking around for ten+ pages after everyone's already made their points. This is a discussion, not a debate. You don't "win" a discussion.[/QUOTE] Then why do you post in the first place lmao

[QUOTE=SinjinOmega;49046084]Why do I feel like this whole thing is a shitstorm simply because no one here can stop calling eachother "Transphobic" or "Overly-Progressive". I'm paraphrasing here but goddamn, both sides have a good point. I'm in the camp that "If you have a penis you go to the men's room.", but at the same time I also feel like there is a solution that works for everyone. We simply just haven't found one yet.[/QUOTE] This. The discussion here is pretty childish on both sides for the most part: people are trying to push the fact that the world isn't black and white, but haven't really even grasped that idea themselves.

[QUOTE=Mr. Jelly;49048624][t]http://i.imgur.com/FNIR0WG.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] those girls look super comfortable with the guy in the girls bathrooms. :downs: but it's cool, coz maybe he identifies himself as a girl.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;49053092]those girls look super comfortable with the guy in the girls bathrooms. :downs: but it's cool, coz maybe he identifies himself as a girl.[/QUOTE] He identifies as a man, he is a trans man (female to male) showing the absurdity of forcing trans women to use the mens room and trans men to use the womens room.

[QUOTE=mrknifey;49053092]those girls look super comfortable with the guy in the girls bathrooms. :downs: but it's cool, coz maybe he identifies himself as a girl.[/QUOTE] I think you need to reanalyze what he's trying to imply with that image.

[QUOTE=Mr. Jelly;49048624]Yeah, I think people will be less uncomfortable if trans people just used the facilities associated with their genitalia. I mean, that's really the big thing, isn't it? Making sure nobody is uncomfortable, and logically, you go in the restrooms associated with your genitals, right? Like, take Michael Hughes for example, he's a transgender man: [t]http://i.imgur.com/FNIR0WG.jpg[/t] I don't see how him being in a men's room would make anyone more comfortable. I mean, he's got a vagina right? [I]Clearly[/I] he belongs in the "vagina-room".[/QUOTE] Why did he take a picture of it though?