Happy Gun Appreciation Day! Anti-Gun Control rallies attract 1000's - Polidicks

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39291686]Well, if there's reasons why it shouldn't, yes, you should need some reason for as well.[/QUOTE] You better start banning a lot of things then. If you asked a question like "what's your reason for guns to be legal" and I'd answer "because people enjoy them" you'd say something like "that's not good enough reason for people to die because of them, you don't need guns". Following that logic we should ban smokes, alcohol, sports cars, fast food, pretty much all extreme sports, cars in cities, matrial arts, etc etc. The only reason for those things to exist is because people like them. You don't need any of that and people die because of those things. Ban.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39291686]Well, if there's reasons why it shouldn't, yes, you should need some reason for as well.[/QUOTE] Well, if that's the case, we should probably be making swimming pools illegal too. There is quite a number of deaths that happen from swimming pools each year, mostly children, and there is no actual need for pools.

I don't know why you guys thought of it as an argument against guns. It wasn't. The argument for a having guns is that "they're fun" and that's the argument for a lot of stuff, including swimming pools and what not. It's a very valid argument, and we should remember to have fun once in a while. My argument is that there's a lot more arguments [I]against[/I] guns than for them, something that may not be the case for swimming pools. That's entirely different.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39292462]I don't know why you guys thought of it as an argument against guns. It wasn't. The argument for a having guns is that "they're fun" and that's the argument for a lot of stuff, including swimming pools and what not. It's a very valid argument, and we should remember to have fun once in a while. My argument is that there's a lot more arguments [I]against[/I] guns than for them, something that may not be the case for swimming pools. That's entirely different.[/QUOTE] How is it not argument against guns? You're saying that "here's a lot more arguments [I]against[/I] guns than for them". Almost same exact "arguments" can be made for banning swimming pools. People die because of them, you don't actually need them, ban. The difference here is, there's actually less arguments against banning swimming pools than banning guns. Consequences of banning guns are actually far worse.

[QUOTE=kooper44;39287025]out of curiosity, how would guns protect from the government exactly when they have planes, tanks, and bombs. It just seems that no matter what, they would always end up overpowered.[/QUOTE] Taliban has been doing a pretty good job at it. And that is when the soldiers you are going up against can't relate with the insurgents...

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39292609]How is it not argument against guns? You're saying that "here's a lot more arguments [I]against[/I] guns than for them". Almost same exact "arguments" can be made for banning swimming pools. People die because of them, you don't actually need them, ban. The difference here is, there's actually less arguments against banning swimming pools than banning guns. Consequences of banning guns are actually far worse.[/QUOTE] The last line of my post was about what I'm arguing in general, the first part what my other post was about. Try reading my first post and note all the zero times it mentions guns. It was a general argument about what should be legal and what shouldn't. And you're not gonna get me to argue about swimming pools and guns, that's totally ridiculous.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39293015]The last line of my post was about what I'm arguing in general, the first part what my other post was about. Try reading my first post and note all the zero times it mentions guns. It was a general argument about what should be legal and what shouldn't. [/QUOTE] The reasoning is still flawed. Every single thing will have people who enjoy it. You don't need any more reason for something to be legal. And there are reasons to regulate guns, not to ban them.

[QUOTE=Ridge;39292799]Taliban has been doing a pretty good job at it. And that is when the soldiers you are going up against can't relate with the insurgents...[/QUOTE] No they haven't. Not until the Taliban overthrows the American military can you say they have been successful.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39293079]The reasoning is still flawed. Every single thing will have people who enjoy it. You don't need any more reason for something to be legal. And there are reasons to regulate guns, not to ban them.[/QUOTE] But where should the line be drawn, can I own a Howitzer? Or an M1 Abrams? How much more fun does an assault rifle bring you than a pistol?

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39293079]The reasoning is still flawed. Every single thing will have people who enjoy it. You don't need any more reason for something to be legal. And there are reasons to regulate guns, not to ban them.[/QUOTE] Everything will have someone enjoying them, but that's not a basis for legality. It's a reason to consider it, but in itself it can be meaningless if there's other stuff arguing against it.

[QUOTE=thisispain;39283146]you people have a damn thread, do you just want to make threads to circle jerk each other in?[/QUOTE] Oh no pro-gun people are posting in gun news threads how terrible

[QUOTE=phygon;39293574]Oh no pro-gun people are posting in gun news threads how terrible[/QUOTE] can we move onto more important things than these endless threads about how evil gun control is? about fifty get posted a day

[QUOTE=Falubii;39293326]But where should the line be drawn, can I own a Howitzer? Or an M1 Abrams? How much more fun does an assault rifle bring you than a pistol?[/QUOTE] First of all assault rifles are already banned. Second semiauto rifles (if that's what you're talking about) are used in 0,25% of homicides. Quarter of a percent. What do you want to achieve by banning them? Reduce the number of homicides involving rifles from 300 to 200, since people who are planning mass murder clearly won't give a fuck that possessing a rifle is illegal. [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39293360]Everything will have someone enjoying them, but that's not a basis for legality. It's a reason to consider it, but in itself it can be meaningless if there's other stuff arguing against it.[/QUOTE] Like I said, you don't need a reason for something to be legal. You need reasons to make things illegal though. If you think that there has to be a reason for something to be legal and the the fact that people like the thing is not enough reason to make it legal then ban everything that causes deaths and isn't used for practical reasons. Starting with smokes, alcohol and sports cars.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39293769]Like I said, you don't need a reason for something to be legal. You need reasons to make things illegal though. If you think that there has to be a reason for something to be legal and the the fact that people like the thing is not enough reason to make it legal then ban everything that causes deaths and isn't used for practical reasons. Starting with smokes, alcohol and sports cars.[/QUOTE] You should probably change you're username to "Strawman Sil".

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39293872]You should probably change you're username to "Strawman Sil".[/QUOTE] I'm a strawman because your logic makes no sense and could be used to justify banning sports cars, get over yourself.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39293907]I'm a strawman because your logic makes no sense and could be used to justify banning sports cars, get over yourself.[/QUOTE] No. It couldn't. If you wanted to ban sports cars you'd have to prove they were statistically more dangerous than normal ones, and otherwise only equally useful, while also taking into consideration whether the difference is really large enough to warrant anything like that. In the end, it might turn out that the difference in accidents was entirely made up of bad drivers - enforce stricter control on who's driving them, then. And before you say "but it's the same with assault rifles!!11!" - I don't want to ban those or anything like that. I want to enforce much stricter control across the board, making sure that criminals can't get their hands on (mainly hand)guns quite as easily. Stop being silly.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39294302]No. It couldn't. If you wanted to ban sports cars you'd have to prove they were statistically more dangerous than normal ones, and otherwise only equally useful, while also taking into consideration whether the difference is really large enough to warrant anything like that. In the end, it might turn out that the difference in accidents was entirely made up of bad drivers - enforce stricter control on who's driving them, then. And before you say "but it's the same with assault rifles!!11!" - I don't want to ban those or anything like that. I want to enforce much stricter control across the board, making sure that criminals can't get their hands on (mainly hand)guns quite as easily. Stop being silly.[/QUOTE] What legislation do you propose that's actually going to affect criminals getting illegal guns

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39294324]What legislation do you propose that's actually going to affect criminals getting illegal guns[/QUOTE] Sorry, I've talked about that in other threads and it's getting late here in Denmark. I'm not going to talk about that now. Hit me up with a PM or something and I'll look into it a bit.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39292462]I don't know why you guys thought of it as an argument against guns. It wasn't. The argument for a having guns is that "they're fun" and that's the argument for a lot of stuff, including swimming pools and what not. It's a very valid argument, and we should remember to have fun once in a while. My argument is that there's a lot more arguments [I]against[/I] guns than for them, something that may not be the case for swimming pools. That's entirely different.[/QUOTE] there's only one argument against guns [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Falubii;39293326]But where should the line be drawn, can I own a Howitzer? Or an M1 Abrams? How much more fun does an assault rifle bring you than a pistol?[/QUOTE] there are easily hundreds of privately owned howitzers and tanks in the US [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;39293655]can we move onto more important things than these endless threads about how evil gun control is? about fifty get posted a day[/QUOTE] news is news if you don't like news stay out of news forums

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;39294324]What legislation do you propose that's actually going to affect criminals getting illegal guns[/QUOTE] Well, we do know these things: * Illegal guns in most cases, start out life as a legally manufactured weapon * At some stage in time, the legally manufactured weapon passed outside of the law and to a criminal Therefore, two things could be tried: * Target the manufacture of guns. Perhaps too many are being made that are somehow slipping out/being misplaced/etc? * Target the passing of firearms into criminal activities. Perhaps record the movement and numbers of firearms to see whats happening to them and see what we can do to prevent them passing into illegal ownership?

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39294302]No. It couldn't. If you wanted to ban sports cars you'd have to prove they were statistically more dangerous than normal ones, and otherwise only equally useful, while also taking into consideration whether the difference is really large enough to warrant anything like that. In the end, it might turn out that the difference in accidents was entirely made up of bad drivers - enforce stricter control on who's driving them, then. And before you say "but it's the same with assault rifles!!11!" - I don't want to ban those or anything like that. I want to enforce much stricter control across the board, making sure that criminals can't get their hands on (mainly hand)guns quite as easily. Stop being silly.[/QUOTE] I don't understand you man. Seems like we have the same thing in mind. Not banning but regulation. You have pretty much stated my position and what I was leading up to in this post. Why the fuck do you make arguments supporting the ban then?

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39294375]there's only one argument against guns [/QUOTE] Sorry, I didn't realize, could you clarify for me the wording of this argument?

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39294375] news is news if you don't like news stay out of news forums[/QUOTE] not when it's posting the same fucking news story again and again

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39294440]Sorry, I didn't realize, could you clarify for me the wording of this argument?[/QUOTE] "guns kill" it's not even a good argument [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;39294442]not when it's posting the same fucking news story again and again[/QUOTE] it's not the same news story every time

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39294438]I don't understand you man. Seems like we have the same thing in mind. Not banning but regulation. You have pretty much stated my position and what I was leading up to in this post. Why the fuck do you make arguments supporting the ban then?[/QUOTE] I didn't at any point? My first post was exclusively about your wording and you guys made it an argument. It wasn't. That was what I was trying to say in my second post, at which time I also stated my position on the matter. [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ButtsexV3;39294509]"guns kill" it's not even a good argument [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] it's not the same news story every time[/QUOTE] That's a statement, not an argument. You can pull a lot of arguments from it, like "when criminals get their hands on guns, they have the ability to kill a person much easier" or one about self-defense or whatever, but it's not an argument. Stop trying to trivialize the matter, no matter how much it makes it easier for you to understand.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;39293769]Like I said, you don't need a reason for something to be legal. You need reasons to make things illegal though. If you think that there has to be a reason for something to be legal and the the fact that people like the thing is not enough reason to make it legal then ban everything that causes deaths and isn't used for practical reasons. Starting with smokes, alcohol and sports cars.[/QUOTE] He was pretty clear about this. [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39292462]I don't know why you guys thought of it as an argument against guns. It wasn't. The argument for a having guns is that "they're fun" and that's the argument for a lot of stuff, including swimming pools and what not. It's a very valid argument, and we should remember to have fun once in a while. My argument is that there's a lot more arguments [I]against[/I] guns than for them, something that may not be the case for swimming pools. That's entirely different.[/QUOTE] Take a reading comprehension class please.