Happy Gun Appreciation Day! Anti-Gun Control rallies attract 1000's - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;39283252]Your argument is "Sorry, but it's true"? The AWB is the wrong way to go, but strong gun control IS fucking vital.[/QUOTE] well we can argue all day about the effectiveness or moral standing of strong gun control. however, my point is that sociopathic politicians like obama are using the deaths of fucking children to advance their political ideology by trying to drum up hysteria and paranoia among people who are already rightfully scared by what has been happening. this isn't about "gun control"; this is about bad people using a tragedy to further their own goals.

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;39283286](notably during the Bush administration), but suddenly when gun owners do it their "crazies".[/QUOTE] Amen. People are willing to admin "Bush was a terrible president" but they don't know why he was terrible. He was a complete Tyrant. The tea party didn't rise up because of Barack Obama. They rose up in Bush's final months because they were so sick of the tyranny. Barack Obama is just as bad of a tyrant, except he's charasmatic so people love him- thus he can get away with more.

[QUOTE=OvB;39283236]The guy is stating his opinions. [B]You cannot tell me there are not politicians that would love to get rid of guns no exceptions[/B]. And I did acknowledge the swastikas. Maybe you should get your head out of your ass?[/QUOTE] who cares? they're lone rangers and there's literally no possibility of a full on gun ban. if you want to protest a full on gun ban or confiscation policy wait until that is something people are seriously considering

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39283299] lmfao multiple swastikas how sad[/QUOTE] Many of them refer to legislature, actually.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];39283298']Feinstein is pushing a bill on the 22nd about new, heavy restrictions on guns, and Obama presented two proposals to Congress- an assault weapons ban and a universal background check for all gun buyers bill. Where have you been?[/QUOTE] No one is banning all guns.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;39283292]Also ignoring the weird paranoid "come and get them" banner. And what is the fucking point of having a rally against a point that doesn't actually exist in any form of legislation?[/QUOTE] So the government can go and think (I know right, sounds pretty crazy) "Huh, do we really want to do this? Look at all these angry people!"

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;39283292]And what is the fucking point of having a rally against a point that doesn't actually exist in any form of legislation?[/QUOTE] Because it serves as a warning. It is a show of how many people would be upset if legislation were to be introduced. Acting after legislation is already enacted into law... well that's just too late.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;39283292]Also ignoring the weird paranoid "come and get them" banner. And what is the fucking point of having a rally against a point that doesn't actually exist in any form of legislation?[/QUOTE] A rally showing support for something that's been under heavy political scrutiny and ignorant hated? Gee, I wonder what the point of that is!

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;39283323]No one is banning all guns.[/QUOTE] no shit people are trying to ban glorified hunting rifles that are used in the vast minority of murders because they look scary.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39283320]Many of them refer to legislature, actually.[/QUOTE] if that's their intent theyre absolute idiots.. partly for comparing gun control legislation to nazi germany but mostly for thinking that waving around swastikas is a legitimate way of offering comparison of current policy to nazi germany. maybe put one of those red circles with a cross through it over the swastika so people know you're not an anti-semitic white supremacist racist attending a gun rally?

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;39283323]No one is banning all guns.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;1_LaBJvI0BI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_LaBJvI0BI[/video] [QUOTE=Diane Feinstein]If I could have had 51 votes for a flat out ban, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have.[/QUOTE] Circa 1995 Perhaps you should be made aware that this woman is drafting legislation already.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39283320]Many of them refer to legislature, actually.[/QUOTE] Your point? Unless the legislature is proposing a bill that kills Jews or the crippled, there is zero excuse to accuse your opponents of being a Nazi.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;39283230]These statistics are based on what exactly?[/QUOTE] 60 lawful million gun owners as of 2011, with the number increasing every year. And ~5 of them do something like this in a year.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39283320]Many of them refer to legislature, actually.[/QUOTE] It's still pretty dumb to wave a swastika around in a protest, it makes everybody look bad.

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;39283286]"OMG a swastika, I'm so concerned." Oh wait. Who honestly gives a single flying fuck. I have no problem if you want to call your town, state, or federal government nazis. It's called free speech. There are plenty of protests where swastikas where hauled out (notably during the Bush administration), but suddenly when gun owners do it their "crazies".[/QUOTE] If someone thinks that they are crazy, they might as well call them crazy. you know, free speech.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39283361]if that's their intent theyre absolute idiots.. partly for comparing gun control legislation to nazi germany but mostly for thinking that waving around swastikas is a legitimate way of offering comparison of current policy to nazi germany. maybe put one of those red circles with a cross through it over the swastika so people know you're not an anti-semitic white supremacist racist attending a gun rally?[/QUOTE] I agree with you there, the swastikas are uncalled for, but we shouldn't have that as the focal point over the rest of the topic.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39283371][B]Circa 1995[/B][/QUOTE] when you were typing out "Circa 1995" did you stop and think "hm maybe this isn't a great point"? you should have people are rallying in 2013 about legislation that was proposed by a single congresswoman over a decade ago?

a few swastikas always ruins everyone's fun :(

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39283396]when you were typing out "Circa 1995" did you stop and think "hm maybe this isn't a great point"? you should have people are rallying in 2013 about legislation that was proposed by a single congresswoman over a decade ago?[/QUOTE] The same congresswoman is supposed to introduce another AWB bill soon.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39283396]when you were typing out "Circa 1995" did you stop and think "hm maybe this isn't a great point"? you should have people are rallying in 2013 about legislation that was proposed by a single congresswoman over a decade ago?[/QUOTE] Because she is still in Congress and is preparing a new form of the legislation that was passed in the 90s.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39283396] people are rallying in 2013 about legislation that was proposed by a single congresswoman over a decade ago?[/QUOTE] No they aren't, have you paid any attention to the news lately. They're protesting the return of an even more pointless and even more restrictive redux of the '95 legislation by the same congresswoman.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39283396]when you were typing out "Circa 1995" did you stop and think "hm maybe this isn't a great point"? you should have people are rallying in 2013 about legislation that was proposed by a single congresswoman over a decade ago?[/QUOTE] If I'm not mistaken, Diane Finestein is still the driving force behind the anti-gun lobby.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39283361]if that's their intent theyre absolute idiots.. partly for comparing gun control legislation to nazi germany but mostly for thinking that waving around swastikas is a legitimate way of offering comparison of current policy to nazi germany. maybe put one of those red circles with a cross through it over the swastika so people know you're not an anti-semitic white supremacist racist attending a gun rally?[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ,who gives a single flying [I]shit?[/I] Can we stop talking about a why there are a few swastikas in the crowd? It make not be the most ~tolerant/liberal~ way to call your government a bunch of nazis for trying to infringe on your rights, but it sure as hell works.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39283277]Based on the fact that there are over 100 million legaly owned firearms in the United States and 16 mass shootings in 2012.[/QUOTE] What a great statistic. I really like the graph as well. But really, you find 16 mass shootings and how many "normal" shootings to be a-ok? Really, you can disagree with me on whether gun control is a problem or not, but it seems that many of you guys don't even acknowledge the problem: [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;39259064]If there were 20,000 firearms in the US and there were 10,000 firearms related deaths a year I would agree with you. But there are over [b]300 million[/b] firearms in the US with around 10,000 deaths a year. Banning them and confiscating them will do absolutely no good. All you would be doing is taking the firearms out of already safe users who have harmed nobody and have no intention of doing so. I've said this several hundred times before since these debates flared up and I'll say it again. A better pursuit would be to work on poverty levels in urban environments, social issues, and our failing mental healthcare.[/QUOTE] I mean, 10,000 deaths? That's a fucking lot. It's 3,44 per 100,000 if my tired brain did this right, and that's 3 times the murder rate in Denmark, gun-related or not. That's a problem. Dismiss stricter gun laws or whatever, but acknowledge the problem and search for a different solution instead of making 7 billion threads about guns in SH. I mean fucking look at this: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1240926[/url]

[QUOTE=OvB;39283417]If I'm not mistaken, Diane Finestein is still the driving force behind the anti-gun lobby.[/QUOTE] You aren't mistaken. She's using the sadness and anger from Newtown as the new driving force for her facisistic, gun grabbing agenda. Oh and by the way there is a video of her from the 90s talking about how she has a concealed carry permit. What a hypocrite. All of them are.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;39283159]You don't need an AR-15 to defend yourself. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Craig Willmore;39283270]ok but can I have this [img]http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/39012.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] ?

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39283434]What a great statistic. I really like the graph as well. But really, you find 16 mass shootings and how many "normal" shootings to be a-ok? [/QUOTE] No one is accepting mass shootings as normal or "okay". Part of the problem is the media. It has been proven that after shootings there will be a lot of copy cats. E.G: The Columbine High School massacre in 1999. Just a month later, on 5/20/99 there was a school shooting. Also here is the 16 shootings statistic: [URL]http://www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fifteen-us-mass-shootings-happened-2012-84-dead#[/URL] 16 is pretty high for one year. I think for all of the 2000s, there was a total of 23. There were a total of 46 in the 1990s. [editline]19th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39283434]I mean fucking look at this: [URL]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1240926[/URL][/QUOTE] That's the liberal New York state government for you. They were so eager to ban guns, they were so stupid and didn't even read the damn bill before they voted on it. I can see these guys are really dependable when it comes to passing legislation.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39283496]No one is accepting mass shootings as normal or "okay". Part of the problem is the media. It has been proven that after shootings there will be a lot of copy cats. E.G: The Columbine High School massacre in 1999. Just a month later, on 5/20/99 there was a school shooting. Also here is the 16 shootings statistic: [url]http://www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fifteen-us-mass-shootings-happened-2012-84-dead#[/url] [editline]19th January 2013[/editline] That's the liberal New York state government for you. They were so eager to ban guns, they were so stupid and didn't even read the damn bill before they voted on it. I can see these guys are really dependable when it comes to passing legislation.[/QUOTE] Look man gun rights are cool and all but you don't need to blame everything that has to do with gun control on liberals as a whole

Pro-gun people need to stop being little babies and just accept that the president of the united states knows more about politics and gun control than they do.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39283496]No one is accepting mass shootings as normal or "okay". Part of the problem is the media. It has been proven that after shootings there will be a lot of copy cats. E.G: The Columbine High School massacre in 1999. Just a month later, on 5/20/99 there was a school shooting. Also here is the 16 shootings statistic: [url]http://www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fifteen-us-mass-shootings-happened-2012-84-dead#[/url][/QUOTE] I found 16 to be very believable, but I see "knee-jerk!" written in every gun thread, and you still use statistically insignificant figures to prove a point. If you call people out on something, don't do it yourself the moment after. And the media [I]is[/I] handling this the wrong way, but they're handling a lot of stuff in the wrong way. Besides, I'm not talking about mass shootings.