Happy Gun Appreciation Day! Anti-Gun Control rallies attract 1000's - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Crimptor;39284102]Yes, that is correct. But what is your point?[/QUOTE] If Freedom of Speech isn't limited by the era, why should the right to keep and bear arms be limited by era?

[QUOTE=OvB;39283783]Semi-automatic firearms were invented a few decades over 100 years ago. They've just been improved and refined over the course of time. Then they were made with black-plastic and given pistol grips.[/QUOTE] But I thought plastic didn't even exist 100 years ago?

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39284100] Yes, as cruel as it sounds. But we already do that. It is the "life in prison without a chance of parole" sentence.[/QUOTE] but if you are released from prison, finish your probationary sentence/parole sentence, shouldn't you be considered a free human being with your human rights restored? if you make the claim that they are still a danger to society(at least a danger enough that they can't have their constitutional rights restored), then logically they should have been given a "life in prison without parole" sentence instead of being released at all. [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] and felony tax evasion is charged on a lot of people who aren't mob bosses btw. "The typical tax evader in the United States is a male under the age of 50 in the highest tax bracket and with a complicated return, and the most common means of tax evasion is overstatement of charitable contributions, particularly church donations." [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_in_the_United_States[/url]

[QUOTE=Crimptor;39284128]But I thought plastic didn't even exist 100 years ago?[/QUOTE] Grammar. "Then they were." As implying in the future. A semi-automatic is anything that just fires each time you pull the trigger; without any external action (cocking the hammer on a single action revolver, per se.) At least if my memory serves me. The word automatic in "semi-automatic" seems to really scare people.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39284132]but if you are released from prison, finish your probationary sentence/parole sentence, shouldn't you be considered a free human being with your human rights restored?[/QUOTE] I think it depends on the right. Most of the time they do, with the exception of owning firearms and voting. (I believe felons can't vote, but I'd have to double check.) I think they should be allowed to vote. [QUOTE=yawmwen;39284132]if you make the claim that they are still a danger to society(at least a danger enough that they can't have their constitutional rights restored), then logically they should have been given a "life in prison without parole" sentence instead of being released at all.[/QUOTE] I look at it this way: If you get a certain number of DUIs, you license is permanently taken away. Why? Because you have a history of driving under the influence. The same goes for violent offenders: If you have a history of being violent, of course you shouldn't have the right to bear arms. Provided, not all felons are violent, ect. ect.

[QUOTE=Crimptor;39284102]Yes, that is correct. But what is your point?[/QUOTE] You have to consider the original intentions of the amendments 1 and 2 and understand how they apply today. The 1st Amendment was designed to protect freedom of speech, etc., and it still does so today through all contemporary forms of media. The 2nd Amendment guaranteed us the right to bear arms so that we may defend ourselves as well as protect against a government gone tyranny. Sure, things were done with muskets and flintlocks back then, but you can't overlook the fact that that's all they had access to at the time. Now-a-days, the government gets big, scary, black-polymer-stock rifles, so we do too. [editline]19th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Crimptor;39284128]But I thought plastic didn't even exist 100 years ago?[/QUOTE] Bad Reading x1

[QUOTE=Apache249;39284173]You have to consider the original intentions of the amendments 1 and 2 and understand how they apply today. The 1st Amendment was designed to protect freedom of speech, etc., and it still does so today through all contemporary forms of media. The 2nd Amendment guaranteed us the right to bear arms so that we may defend ourselves as well as protect against a government gone tyranny. Sure, things were done with muskets and flintlocks back then, but you can't overlook the fact that that's all they had access to at the time. Now-a-days, the government gets big, scary, black-polymer-stock rifles, so we do too.[/QUOTE] Edit. misread your post.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39284169]I think it depends on the right. Most of the time they do, with the exception of owning firearms and voting. (I believe felons can't vote, but I'd have to double check.) I think they should be allowed to vote.[/quote] felons cannot vote. [quote]I look at it this way: If you get a certain number of DUIs, you license is permanently taken away. Why? Because you have a history of driving under the influence. The same goes for violent offenders: If you have a history of being violent, of course you shouldn't have the right to bear arms. Provided, not all felons are violent, ect. ect.[/QUOTE] there are two problems with this argument. the first is that driving isn't considered a right, it is a privilege. secondly, the court actually does deem you too dangerous to be allowed to drive in society. so that privilege is permanently stripped. in the case of a felon, you are saying that they are two dangerous to own a legal object in society in a society that considers such ownership a fundamental right of a human being. if they are too dangerous to exercise one of the most fundamental rights in society, why are they even walking the streets? on the other hand you can say that owning a weapon is [i]not[/i] a fundamental right, but a privilege. in which case that makes every right in the constitution a privilege that can be taken at will by the government for whatever arbitrary reason they can find to justify it. also from this standpoint your idea of "well gun ownership is constitutional and a right" goes out the window when arguing with the anti-gunners.

[QUOTE=thisispain;39283554]literally the only point to posting this was so that the same people who always post these threads or post in the firearms thread can stroke themselves, call people fascists, mass rate dumbs, then bolt by calling kopimi or sigma or whoever a douche or something like this is worse than the mlp shit we've had on this forum, and that's a high standard to reach[/QUOTE] I stroke myself in SH even when there [i]isn't[/i] a firearm thread.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39284220]there are two problems with this argument. the first is that driving isn't considered a right, it is a privilege. secondly, the court actually does deem you too dangerous to be allowed to drive in society. so that privilege is permanently stripped. in the case of a felon, you are saying that they are two dangerous to own a legal object in society in a society that considers such ownership a fundamental right of a human being. if they are too dangerous to exercise one of the most fundamental rights in society, why are they even walking the streets? on the other hand you can say that owning a weapon is [i]not[/i] a fundamental right, but a privilege. in which case that makes every right in the constitution a privilege that can be taken at will by the government for whatever arbitrary reason they can find to justify it. also from this standpoint your idea of "well gun ownership is constitutional and a right" goes out the window when arguing with the anti-gunners.[/QUOTE] Your argument here is pretty air tight and I can't really give you anything back on it except this: Yes, barring felons from owning firearms is technically a violation of the second amendment.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39284267]Your argument here is pretty air tight and I can't really give you anything back on it except this: Yes, barring felons from owning firearms is technically a violation of the second amendment.[/QUOTE] Fuck the second amendment. Yeah I said it what ya gonna do eh?

[QUOTE=Scot;39284296]Fuck the second amendment. Yeah I said it what ya gonna do eh?[/QUOTE] Another insightful post from our local Brit extraordinaire.

[QUOTE=Scot;39284296]Fuck the second amendment. Yeah I said it what ya gonna do eh?[/QUOTE] I'm going to assume you probably aren't an American citizen, and thus you probably wouldn't understand what it is all about. While I disagree with what you've said, I respect the fact that it is your opinion, and you have the ability to voice it towards myself and this forum in general.

[QUOTE=Scot;39284296]Fuck the second amendment. Yeah I said it what ya gonna do eh?[/QUOTE] saying fuck the 2nd amendment to an american is like saying you guys all worship the queen in britain. it takes a very special amount of cultural and historical ignorance of the other country.

[QUOTE=Scot;39284296]Fuck the second amendment. Yeah I said it what ya gonna do eh?[/QUOTE] Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland, it was never British to begin with. Yeah I said it what ya gonna do eh?

[QUOTE=UziXxX;39283162]No, but it doesn't hurt when you make a pro-what-ever thread and have people agree with you rather than rate you boxes because they don't agree.[/QUOTE] as opposed to posting in a pro whatever thread because you disagree and getting rated boxes instead of coherent arguments? why are you so insecure about your opinion that you have to engage in self-congratulatory bullshit while persecuting anyone who disagrees? [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39284431]Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland, it was never British to begin with. Yeah I said it what ya gonna do eh?[/QUOTE] what's that supposed to mean?

What strikes me as the most odd thing about this entire farce is that the people protesting the US government's "facist/tyrannical/totalitarian" ways are so late to the game it's almost funny You can pick any number of equally if not more disturbing laws implemented in the last few decades and they contain even more of this freedom-imposing language, like the Patriot Act or the NDAA. How many gathered in the protest of these laws? I guess when there's a very clear message it's easier to rally against it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;39284401]saying fuck the 2nd amendment to an american is like saying you guys all worship the queen in britain. it takes a very special amount of cultural and historical ignorance of the other country.[/QUOTE] hardly, anyone who knows anything about britain knows that the queen doesn't have any real power while I've been exposed to american culture all my life (as have most westerners) and have read quite a bit about your history and I still don't understand it - you really need to be brought up in america and have all this self righteous bullshit drilled into you from birth before you can truly understand it I'd wager

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39284584] you really need to be brought up in america and have all this self righteous bullshit drilled into you from birth before you can truly understand it I'd wager[/QUOTE] Okay seriously, now you're just being a self-righteous cunt.

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39284584]hardly, anyone who knows anything about britain knows that the queen doesn't have any real power while I've been exposed to american culture all my life (as have most westerners) and have read quite a bit about your history and I still don't understand it - you really need to be brought up in america and have all this self righteous bullshit drilled into you from birth before you can truly understand it I'd wager[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]self righteous bullshit[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=demoguy08;39284559]What strikes me as the most odd thing about this entire farce is that the people protesting the US government's "facist/tyrannical/totalitarian" ways are so late to the game it's almost funny You can pick any number of equally if not more disturbing laws implemented in the last few decades and they contain even more of this freedom-imposing language, like the Patriot Act or the NDAA. How many gathered in the protest of these laws? I guess when there's a very clear message it's easier to rally against it.[/QUOTE] exactly, your government instituted dozens of laws intended to strip the rights away from people, hold them without charge etc in the guise of counter terrorism and the thing that makes you stand up and fight for your rights is taking away something that you shouldn't have in the first place?

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39284615]taking away something that you shouldn't have in the first place?[/QUOTE] Why shouldn't we have it, then? What makes it so bad?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39284594]Okay seriously, now you're just being a self-righteous cunt.[/QUOTE] no your culture is just stupid in so many respects, which is a shame because it's an amazing country

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39284633]no your culture is just stupid in so many respects,[/QUOTE] Oh, fuck off [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39284628]Why shouldn't we have it, then? What makes it so bad?[/QUOTE] because you shouldn't have instruments of death readily available unless there's a tangible, provable need for them and there just isn't

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39284584]hardly, anyone who knows anything about britain knows that the queen doesn't have any real power while I've been exposed to american culture all my life (as have most westerners) and have read quite a bit about your history and I still don't understand it - you really need to be brought up in america and have all this self righteous bullshit drilled into you from birth before you can truly understand it I'd wager[/QUOTE] So, when you shit on your keyboard, how do you form sentences, do you type at all, or does the feces do it for you? Not all Americans are self righteous redneck assholes, and to call us self righteous is to state your own ignorance, as for the Northern Ireland bit, I believe its what the commoners call a 'Joke'.While such petty humor my not be as appealing to an aristocrat such as your self, we Self-righteous plebeians enjoy basking in the laughter such a grammatical query provides us.

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39284584]hardly, anyone who knows anything about britain knows that the queen doesn't have any real power while I've been exposed to american culture all my life (as have most westerners) and have read quite a bit about your history and I still don't understand it - you really need to be brought up in america and have all this self righteous bullshit drilled into you from birth before you can truly understand it I'd wager[/QUOTE] yea i understand the queen doesn't hold any real power. however, i still don't understand how you guys could call yourself a theocratic monarchy in an age of republicanism and democracy. it is an alien concept to me, much like how gun culture might be a alien concept to you. and it's not that hard to see that our history from early colonization to the present day has been heavily tied in with private gun ownership.

What are you trying to achieve by insulting our culture?

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39284639]Oh, fuck off[/QUOTE] nah your culture is dumb and the reason I don't understand it is because it's too dumb for me to understand

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39284615]exactly, your government instituted dozens of laws intended to strip the rights away from people, hold them without charge etc in the guise of counter terrorism and the thing that makes you stand up and fight for your rights is taking away something that you shouldn't have in the first place?[/QUOTE] this is fallacious. many americans have been protesting and standing up about shit like the tsa, ndaa, and other infringing activities for years.