• Kansas Legislature Wants to Ban Google Fiber
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[QUOTE=Ericson666;43743613]I thought Kansas was fucking thrilled to have been chosen first for Google Fiber[/QUOTE] Kansas was, their ISP's are not though, because they know that with Google Fiber, they have to reform their services to compete, or die. And they don't want that, they want their monopoly.
I may have read it wrong (I'll know by the inevitable shower of boxes :/ ) but I don't think they are saying "Google Fiber is bad, go away". It seems like they are saying that they don't want municipalities to own and operate their own network. That that should remain a private thing, not a government owned and operated thing. Which is good in my mind. I read it twice and still have the impression that that is what they are saying. So I must have really missed something. The way around this would be for local governments to subsidize business that would put implement the Google whatever plan (I know nothing about whatever that is). The telecommunication tubes would remain privately controlled and Time Warner can go cry in a corner. -edit Meaning that only the model used in Topeka can't be used. It does not rule out a private organization from doing it.
Wonder how much money they were bribed with to do this.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;43743021]"fair competition" pfffffttttttttttttt since when have cable companies ever played fair?[/QUOTE] More importantly, what is "fair competition" if not "who provides the best product wins"?
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;43743641]But the capital of Kansas is Topeka. And I'm not even from Kansas.[/QUOTE] In 2010, Kansas renamed Topeka to Google for the month of March/April when Google was doing that competition for which state would get Google Fiber.
whats funny is its SUCH a bad bill that no senator would even put their name on it. thats right, nobody apparently has even submitted the bill, it just poof, appeared. even though everybody knows who wrote and introduced the bill (hint: he works for the cable companies) i can't believe shit like this is even allowed, the FCC should have the right to take out bills like this [editline]31st January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=mysteryman;43743456]So if i'm understanding this correctly, they're saying google fiber is too good and it's unfair for other multi million dollar ISPs to handle? You could, y'know, just have the ISPs actually improve their service instead of stopping other companies from being better. Jeeze it's like all the students in a gradeschool ganging up on the kid that answers question in class during recess for making the rest of them look bad in front of the teacher.[/QUOTE] no no, the ISPs say that google fiber is impossible thus it cannot exist and should not be allowed to compete because they still advertise DSL packages all across the country even though DSL was out dated 10 years ago
Here in Nebraska if you live anywhere rural you are guaranteed to have only one company holding a monopoly on the area and charging whatever they want for whatever quality of service they want. This bill simply protects such companies.
Hopefully this will never be made into law. So goddamn relevant: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso[/media]
[QUOTE=Antdawg;43743084]haha reminds me of Telstra here. every other ISP tries hard to compete with one another, but Telstra just ignores the competition and offers plans that are complete ripoffs yet people actually get their plans through Telstra because they just don't know any better. Telstra - $80 month for telephone rental, ADSL1/2 and an amazing 5GB download quota (woah!) My ISP (Logitel) - $80 month for telephone rental, ADSL1/2 and 200GB combined up/down quota absolutely amazes me wondering how Telstra keeps in business[/QUOTE] We're paying $200/m for Telstra 100gb internet + Foxtel + Homephone
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;43744483]We're paying $200/m for Telstra 100gb internet + Foxtel + Homephone[/QUOTE] haha wtf. Even if I got the full Foxtel package with all the sports channels, entertainment channels etc on top of my current Internet plan I would still be paying less (around $180 per month) than that while getting twice the download quota, and of course all the channels. Hell, if I pay $15 on top of that I can get the HD versions of some of those channels as well and I'd still be paying less than what your household pays. but then again you probably get decent speeds. I wouldn't be complaining if I was getting the full 8 megabit that my line supports, but it's stressful arguing with the ISP and the real estate on how to fix my issue.
How is this going to stop Google? It wouldn't surprise me of Google already made plans to counter this shit long before they entered the market.
I'm pretty sure googles lawyers would shit all over the bill regardless of how much the politicians supported it (hint they dont). Google already invested a metric fuckton in the infrastructure. If this passes then Google would lose a major investment.
[QUOTE=mysteryman;43743456]So if i'm understanding this correctly, they're saying google fiber is too good and it's unfair for other multi million dollar ISPs to handle? You could, y'know, just have the ISPs actually improve their service instead of stopping other companies from being better. Jeeze it's like all the students in a gradeschool ganging up on the kid that answers question in class during recess for making the rest of them look bad in front of the teacher.[/QUOTE] The main reason the ban is stupid is because... simply, Capitalism! they can't compete with google fiber? they can fuck off that's why capitalism is great. Competition creates technological improvements. Imagine if Google fiber didn't change but became very average. Now imagine if we banned everything in some insane degree for the sake of "Fairness" in "Competition". That really ruins the benefit of a capitalist market. I don't even think that's socialism, it's more on the side of retardism really. If we made competition between all companies "Fair" and "even" we would be still living in 2014 tier tech by 2114
[QUOTE=J!NX;43744872]The main reason the ban is stupid is because... simply, Capitalism! they can't compete with google fiber? they can fuck off that's why capitalism is great. Competition creates technological improvements. Imagine if Google fiber didn't change but became very average. Now imagine if we banned everything in some insane degree for the sake of "Fairness" in "Competition". That really ruins the benefit of a capitalist market. I don't even think that's socialism, it's more on the side of retardism really. If we made competition between all companies "Fair" and "even" we would be still living in 2014 tier tech by 2114[/QUOTE] Coincidentally that's the plot to a political satire I just read [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron[/url] [editline]31st January 2014[/editline] Except in a social context.
[QUOTE=J!NX;43742702]Oh gee google fiber is only you know technological progress[/QUOTE] Yeah but unlike Google Fiber, they're paying money to law makers to try and impede them because they're a better and cheaper alternative that will take all their customers. Internet used to be somewhat pricey, then the major ISPs offered lower rates until they weren't around anymore then BOOM. $60 to $120 a month with data caps for just internet. Cheap internet at insane speeds and no caps? We could do that but we don't want to spend the money on building it! Instead we'll just give money to people who can possibly stop Google from doing it. I fucking hate this country
[QUOTE] telecommunications and broadband services are provided through fair competition [/QUOTE] [QUOTE][U]fair competition[/U][/QUOTE] [QUOTE][U][B]fair competition[/B][/U] [/QUOTE] I fucking hate Kansas, I want to go back to Oregon.
Oh, the state helping a monopoly or a oligopoly in detriment of the consumers....what a surprise.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;43743084] absolutely amazes me wondering how Telstra keeps in business[/QUOTE] Your provide still uses Telstra gear. Logitel will be paying rental to Telstra.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;43744626]haha wtf. Even if I got the full Foxtel package with all the sports channels, entertainment channels etc on top of my current Internet plan I would still be paying less (around $180 per month) than that while getting twice the download quota, and of course all the channels. Hell, if I pay $15 on top of that I can get the HD versions of some of those channels as well and I'd still be paying less than what your household pays. but then again you probably get decent speeds. I wouldn't be complaining if I was getting the full 8 megabit that my line supports, but it's stressful arguing with the ISP and the real estate on how to fix my issue.[/QUOTE] We get around 800kb/s-1mb/s which to me is decent enough because shit downloads fast and never stutters when I'm streaming full HD content
[QUOTE=Last or First;43744114] So goddamn relevant: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso[/media][/QUOTE] This video was taken down for defamation a while ago. I'm glad to see that its back up.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;43744483]We're paying $200/m for Telstra 100gb internet + Foxtel + Homephone[/QUOTE] we pay around that for 500GB Telstra Cable (100mb/s) and all the foxtel channels
Fuck me, this is some "Atlas Shrugged" shit. Except it's not indignance over competitive equality that's driving it... not really. It's a bunch of fuckers unWILLING to do what's necessary to compete. Who is John Galt indeed...
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43746732]This video was taken down for defamation a while ago. I'm glad to see that its back up.[/QUOTE] Are you serious? They don't even talk about any provider specifically. That's just outright censorship having that video taken down.
[QUOTE=E1025;43747172]Are you serious? They don't even talk about any provider specifically. That's just outright censorship having that video taken down.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/09/04/anti-telecom-ad-banned-canada_n_3868963.html[/url]
it says it wont apply retroactively which means they cant touch the entire metro area which is basically the only trace of civilization in the state anyway
Wow this is incredibly shitty. I guess I need to move to Texas now.
duuuuuuust in the wind all these decent internet speeds are just duuuuuuuuust in the wind
Capitalism is so great for free markets.
[QUOTE=RentAhobO;43782190]Capitalism is so great for free markets.[/QUOTE] Ironically (regarding your comment), this is an issue because it's government intervention in the market. Not a fault with capitalism, and the market is obviously not a free market if things like this can happen.
So weird, In the UK - I get unlimited quota, no throttling, and 100mbps fibre optic lines for around £25, television included etc. I don't exactly live in a centralised city/town either.
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