CERN outlines plan for 100km circumference supercollider - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;43859974]I'm starting to suspect the actual benefit of building these things, seeing as the LHC took so many years to build and all they have to show for is some tangled up theory about a single god damned particle. And now they wanna build even bigger one?[/QUOTE] Yes, because clearly understanding seemingly esoteric aspects of the reality we live in has never produced any benefit for the average person. Surely we'd know if all of our electronics were utilizing quantum mechanics or something. [editline]10th February 2014[/editline] How do you people get by without any curiosity? It must be very dull.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;43859974]I'm starting to suspect the actual benefit of building these things, seeing as the LHC took so many years to build and all they have to show for is some tangled up theory about a single god damned particle. And now they wanna build even bigger one?[/QUOTE] If you ever need a medical diagnosis in an MRI machine, and it saves your life, you can thank high-energy particle physics experiments such as the LHC for the fact that you're not dead. Why is exploring the universe not a worthwhile subject of research? Are you aware of how many things you use in your daily life that never would've existed if nobody had ever said "I wonder what happens if we do this..."? [B]The Internet[/B] is one of them.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43860329]If you ever need a medical diagnosis in an MRI machine, and it saves your life, you can thank high-energy particle physics experiments such as the LHC for the fact that you're not dead. Why is exploring the universe not a worthwhile subject of research? Are you aware of how many things you use in your daily life that never would've existed if nobody had ever said "I wonder what happens if we do this..."? [B]The Internet[/B] is one of them.[/QUOTE] Not to mention PET scans rely on antimatter, of all things.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43860329]If you ever need a medical diagnosis in an MRI machine, and it saves your life, you can thank high-energy particle physics experiments such as the LHC for the fact that you're not dead.[/QUOTE] I might be biased, but MRIs are fucking awesome. I mean, it's using a magnetic field to excite hydrogen atoms in tissues at a precise frequency, and then measuring the radio waves emitted as they settle down. It's insanely complicated, requires an insane amount of technology and precision to make, yet we almost take it for granted now.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;43854478]A black hole is not necessarily a star, it is any matter and energy compressed into a small enough space that the escape velocity is greater than the speed of light. Kind of. That's an oversimplification but it illustrates the idea well. [editline]9th February 2014[/editline] The LHC is not going to create black holes unless there are large extra dimensions (which is unlikely).[/QUOTE] they are looking using the ATLAS detector to try to find black holes that might possibly be created by the collisions

Are old particle accelerators useful at all for anything once larger ones are built? I'm wondering because the uni I applied to is always bragging about their [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Light_Source]"Canadian Light Source"[/url] facility, but it was built in 2004 and I assume long since surpassed by better facilities. Is it just useful for teaching or does useful science still come out of places like this

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43866881]Are old particle accelerators useful at all for anything once larger ones are built? I'm wondering because the uni I applied to is always bragging about their [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Light_Source]"Canadian Light Source"[/url] facility, but it was built in 2004 and I assume long since surpassed by better facilities. Is it just useful for teaching or does useful science still come out of places like this[/QUOTE] Wikipedia sez, [QUOTE]By the end of 2010 more than 1000 individual researchers had used the facility, and the number of publications had passed 500.[4] From 2009–2012 several key metrics doubled, including the number of users and the number of publications, with more than 190 papers published in 2011. More than 400 proposals were received for beam time in 2012, with approximately a 50% oversubscription rate averaged over the operational beamlines.[/QUOTE] The CLS may not necessarily be probing the universe at the level the LHC can, but I'm gonna guess that there's still a lot of science to be done at less than CERN-grade energy levels.

[QUOTE=Sableye;43866649]they are looking using the ATLAS detector to try to find black holes that might possibly be created by the collisions[/QUOTE] yes but they are probably not going to find them because they rely on large extra dimensions and large extra dimensions are silly and the LHC experiments have already started to destroy their credibility.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43866881]Are old particle accelerators useful at all for anything once larger ones are built? I'm wondering because the uni I applied to is always bragging about their [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Light_Source]"Canadian Light Source"[/url] facility, but it was built in 2004 and I assume long since surpassed by better facilities. Is it just useful for teaching or does useful science still come out of places like this[/QUOTE] Seeing as Particle Physics is [I]kind of[/I] just doing as many collisions as you can, and hoping for the best, because some of the possible particle interactions are so unlikely - any particle collider experiments of reasonable energy are pretty useful. Also the fact that it makes the uni look good probably helps.

"Lake Geneva" wtf... Good news anyway. More science tubes!

[QUOTE=Tomberry;43875888]"Lake Geneva" wtf... Good news anyway. More science tubes![/QUOTE] SCIENCE!

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[QUOTE=Capnscarlet;43875816]Seeing as Particle Physics is [I]kind of[/I] just doing as many collisions as you can, and hoping for the best, because some of the possible particle interactions are so unlikely - any particle collider experiments of reasonable energy are pretty useful. Also the fact that it makes the uni look good probably helps.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://home.web.cern.ch/about/experiments"]They most definitely are[/URL] (the "Non LHC Experiments" paragraph) I bet these things have longer waiting lines than most rides in Disneyland.

From that CERN page: [QUOTE]The Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer looks for dark matter, antimatter and missing matter from a module on the International Space Station[/QUOTE] Sounds amusingly like they're looking for shit they lost. On a different note though, I saw the AMS control room - looks exactly like you'd expect a space-thing control room, except a little... subdued [t]http://www.dgkelectronics.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/cern-open-days-2013/ams_control_room.jpg[/t] Big impressive chair in the middle is for the head professor guy who's never there, and that guy on the left is the only one (on shift) who's allowed to talk to NASA. They get extensive training apparently :v:

I get the feeling that at some point they'll have to build one in ocean. [QUOTE=Zephyrs;43842098]Pfft. Go big or go home. [IMG]http://gfbrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Ringworld.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I can help but think of this when seeing that: [IMG]http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100221050230/stargate/images/7/75/Supergate_vortex.jpg[/IMG] and this: [IMG]http://www.mightyheaton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/F3_05_elysium.jpg[/IMG]