TIME- "Exclusive: Marvel’s New Iron Man Is a Black Woman" - Polidicks

Don't know.. This seems kinda forced? I get they want to be all progressive and tolerant but how about making a new type of heroes that are.. Whatever you want to be right from the beginning? I'm fine with this if the writing is okay but this just feels like Marvel is trying to be chill and cool with the progressive social communities who might scream "DIRTY WHITE CIS SCUM" at them at some point because they figured most heroes are men + white.

It's pandering in the same way the Thor was pandering. "She's just like the old character be she's better." Like, FemThor was a batter Thor than Thor for no reason, now the Iron Man replacement is smarter than him and she's only 15. Anyone remember Miles Morales? The replacement for Peter Parker. Remember how he had an character arc about living up to the title of Spiderman? Remember how he didn't want to be Spiderman at first, or how once he became Spiderman he had to work hard to not be "The black Spiderman"? Remember when characters had fucking character?

[QUOTE=Buck.;50656459]Watch them make Wolverine into a Native American elderly lady next.[/QUOTE] Wolverine has been "dead" for almost a year now. Currently he's been replaced with alt universe Old Man Logan and X-23, his young adult female clone [QUOTE=adamsz;50656463]It sounds like an author inserted fan fic.[/QUOTE] Well she is based on the writers daughter [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Janus Vesta;50656468]It's pandering in the same way the Thor was pandering. "She's just like the old character be she's better." Like, FemThor was a batter Thor than Thor for no reason, now the Iron Man replacement is smarter than him and she's only 15. Anyone remember Miles Morales? The replacement for Peter Parker. Remember how he had an character arc about living up to the title of Spiderman? Remember how he didn't want to be Spiderman at first, or how once he became Spiderman he had to work hard to not be "The black Spiderman"? Remember when characters had fucking character?[/QUOTE] Now that he's in the main universe that's all he is though. When the Ultimate universe died a lot of Miles uniqueness in his world died with it. Have they even explained his new origin yet?

why not just make her a new character? I feel like people replacing established and loved characters with new and hip ones are just pandering. I mean im not big on comics in general but first(?) thor, now this? whats next, superman being replaced by an indian girl? it just feels off.

Marvel ought to take a page from DC's book. They put Wesley Willis into DC as a super hero with all-sight (which hurts him if he uses it), power over flies and is technically Wonder Woman's half brother. No trying to fit a mantle, no overtly convenient backstory that makes him a carbon copy of another hero, it's literally Wesley as a super hero and it's great representation. [img]http://comicsalliance.com/files/2013/01/screen-shot-2013-01-30-at-4.24.21-pm.jpg[/img] [img]http://comicsalliance.com/files/2013/01/5j2atmb6bijry7xz3fevcjsduwe-dbhwrbvcupdgxm1x6iuefnmeo-drjqek12y5j68qer06fguxdfmxc6kjyegbqdhgpaiwepttg9shaffxd9czuu4uzti.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/DKeXU.jpg[/img] Simply "filling the boots" is just a cheap business tactic that fails more than it works. More original characters are better than just swapping the person who wears the suit and always will be.

[QUOTE=Takuat;50656470] Now that he's in the main universe that's all he is though. When the Ultimate universe died a lot of Miles uniqueness in his world died with it. Have they even explained his new origin yet?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I meant Ultimate Spiderman. Hilarious that in killing Ultimate Marvel they've ruined both Spidermen and turned the new guy into the very thing he spent so long trying to avoid. The problem with changing characters for diversity's sake is the new characters have no depth to them, because they exist solely to pander. It's just like when comic relief characters were forced into stories, or when every major character got a dog. It adds very little and often just cheapens the universe. Everyone becomes a disposable skin that can be swapped into a hero suit.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50656429]You're really insecure if you think any character that's not a straight white man is pandering.[/QUOTE] -Thor is now a woman, even going so far as to change the inscription on Mjölnir to "if she be worthy" -Ms. Marvel is now a Muslim girl -While some other people commenting that Sam Wilson is currently the mainline Captain America, I let it slide for now, as he is an older established character that had previous connections to Steve. I just wish he wasn't be used as a framing device for Steve's new "plot developments" -The current Hulk is Amadeus Cho, an Asian [sp]and if the Civil War II leaks are proven true Banner will not survive the event[/sp] -Bendis' pet Spider-Man Miles is Black-Latino While my weakness of being a hetrosexual Anglo-Saxton identifying male is probably talking louder than rational thought process, this seems incredibly contrived. Nearly every new character that Marvel has pushed to the forefront for the past couple of years save for maybe Squirrel Girl and that cat lady I can't remember the name of is something to the tune of "A pre-existing property but now this aspect of them is different" usually being their race or gender change. On top of that it's usually a brand new character, except Miles on a technical level, X-23 and Sam.

At least she's attractive? :v:

Tis' merely japery! I hope.

i cant into smart and dont read comics when people say "civil war II" are they talking about comics only or does this stuff tie into the movies too

[QUOTE=WJS;50656516]i cant into smart and dont read comics when people say "civil war II" are they talking about comics only or does this stuff tie into the movies too[/QUOTE] Just comics, don't worry, the MCU hasn't been fucked too hard yet outside of the Thor films

I don't care if they have superheros of different race, sexuality, whatever, but why not make a NEW hero? Why do they feel the need to constantly change existing heroes? I know they've done this for a long time, I just don't understand why they do it.

[QUOTE=The Pretender;50656547]I don't care if they have superheros of different race, sexuality, whatever, but why not make a NEW hero? Why do they feel the need to constantly change existing heroes? I know they've done this for a long time, I just don't understand why they do it.[/QUOTE] why be creative when you can just attach a name to something and be more successful?

breaking news marvel now looking into new hulk more green than previous one and captain america more american than the last

[QUOTE=Conro101;50656391]It always seems strange when they invent an entirely new character to replace an old one. Seems like it'd make more sense from both a fan and story perspective for it to be someone established instead of trying to convince us that this new guy'll be great, trust us guys this is, of course, assuming there's a [I]very good reason[/I] to replace a character[/QUOTE] when i read the title i assumed it'd be misty knight [img]http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/avengersalliance/images/4/45/Misty_Knight_Dialogue_1.png/revision/latest?cb=20151030202245[/img] her metal arm is stark tech i think [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] but that's pretty much all i know about the character

This is hilarious. If only they made her trans they would tick all the boxes.

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;50656621]This is hilarious. If only they made her trans they would tick all the boxes.[/QUOTE] She needs to be disabled too.

I'm going to be honest, not sure how making a character a black woman/gay/spanish/jewish/etc is that impressive It was impressive when star trek did it [t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/99/f2/d8/99f2d86a6505830ac87be7de547b27e9.jpg[/t] But how is that really that big of a deal in todays climate? maybe I'm just overthinking this of course too, since I only see time mentioning it. Marvel didn't say shit. [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Primigenes;50656577]The problem is that this shit keeps making it harder and harder to take Marvel seriously. They keep replacing characters to drum up headlines and to pander to certain audiences and its disgusting. It's incredibly disingenuous and its offensive. Not even to say that all of the current comics are bad but just that this kind of random stuff when given the current state of Marvel is getting really annoying to see. Nothing feels like it can be taken seriously because the whole of Marvel seems to be operating alongside some agenda revolving around diversity quotas.[/QUOTE] What is even the point of having these in a comic about hero's tbh [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] like once you make race and sexuality something that is mentioned you kind of lose the message entirely

I don't read comics personally, so i'm probably not one to judge even given all sorts of character stereotypes and archetypes out there, but an MIT super teen genius who builds a working Iron Man suit while looking like a standard black woman stereotype just gives me the wrong feeling. Like it's trying too hard to appeal to a specific demographic.

[QUOTE=Primigenes;50656618]But the even bigger problem is the answer to your question. Marvel does this shit to drum up headlines and to garner sales. It's really disgusting and its tainting my image of the company. DC has been integrating minorities for awhile without trying as hard to just shove things in the readers face to the point where you feel like every character is a forced attempt at something.[/QUOTE] Is Marvel pushing this hard? The interview with Time doesn't even mention race until the interviewer brings it up. Seems to me that Marvel and DC have created new identities for the old characters since forever so I don't get the fuss about putting a new person beyond the Iron Man name. The writer is expressing aspects to the character that go far beyond 'she's a woman! and black!', so if it ends up being well-written, what's the problem here?

I'm fairly sure there's already a female iron man, I've read many of the comics. Why do re-release it?

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50656429]You're really insecure if you think any character that's not a straight white man is pandering.[/QUOTE] I really don't think thats the case since this has become a common trend in media since... i dunno... the sjw fad started? Yea, people are totally insecure for calling bullshit when it's quite noticeably in the air.

[QUOTE=CommanderPT;50656621]This is hilarious. If only they made her trans they would tick all the boxes.[/QUOTE] ur not Woke enough if you think that's all the boxes

[QUOTE=Shadaez;50656762]ur not Woke enough if you think that's all the boxes[/QUOTE] One legged obese Trans-gendered Muslim that is black/french/japanese with a jewish mother and oddly homosexual somehow Scientologist father

That's a nice afro, but how will it fit under that helmet?

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50656429]You're really insecure if you think any character that's not a straight white man is pandering.[/QUOTE] The real problem is that modern Marvel has an [I]absolutely awful[/I] track record of running it's female characters into the ground with gender politics for the sake of keeping up with the retarded trends of today. [IMG]http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/thor-5-thor-vs-absorbing-man.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://2static2.fjcdn.com/comments/Mansplaining+_217896c2e57a74d7813551bf2855e4e4.png[/IMG] All it does is tank their sales by alienating the old fans and forgetting that the new demographic they are aiming for doesn't even read comics to begin with. [QUOTE=Primigenes;50656577] [t]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/b--UZoF5_RC2oyvYLDYBbmMjtvtemX-jCDWfbufg5hMwGGvP89w55ghVwr0AqjcOaSrkQVB6oBc7=s0[/t][/QUOTE] Is this actually a Marvel comic that's actually being published and not the work of some 20-something artist on Tumblr? Jesus christ. It ticks a surprising amount of boxes on this chart: [T]http://65.media.tumblr.com/6ebf82031f3acd8f4f9f653d6083396e/tumblr_n971ogZdPa1qkod18o1_1280.jpg[/T]

[QUOTE=Conro101;50656391]It always seems strange when they invent an entirely new character to replace an old one. Seems like it'd make more sense from both a fan and story perspective for it to be someone established instead of trying to convince us that this new guy'll be great, trust us guys this is, of course, assuming there's a [I]very good reason[/I] to replace a character[/QUOTE] its part of the mass reboot they're doing to all the characters, characters have become over established and boring

[QUOTE=Primigenes;50656577][t]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/b--UZoF5_RC2oyvYLDYBbmMjtvtemX-jCDWfbufg5hMwGGvP89w55ghVwr0AqjcOaSrkQVB6oBc7=s0[/t][/QUOTE] wow, i can't tell if this is a real comic or horribly written author-insert fanart from tumblr was someone actually paid to write this horrible dialogue?

[QUOTE=Zyler;50656644]She needs to be disabled too.[/QUOTE] Don't forget that she needs to gain some weight because currently she is a privileged fat-shaming girl because she is thin and probably stressing out those who can never be as fit as her because genetics

if the character has a good reason for being iron (wo)man and its actually a good continuation then who cares but i wish they made a new hero with her rather than replacing a original marvel hero. can you imagine the backlash if a white woman played black panther