TIME- "Exclusive: Marvel’s New Iron Man Is a Black Woman" - Polidicks

i'd rather see unique comics written by women be promoted, regardless of the gender and race of the MC, than a comic written by a man featuring a genderswap of an already established character.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50667211]There's no one way to do comics. You're just being pretentious here[/QUOTE] Uh, yes there is. Panel flow, art style, pacing, color theory, how the panel layout forms together, storytelling. Brian Michael Bendis, while a writer, has so many quirks in his books common amongs them that he's responsible for it, understands nothing about those. His "beat panels" are the worst.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50667158]alright i'm done fuck it we're not allowed to talk about what bad writing a man has done before in refrence to what we expect from him because it's inconsequential and we're all insecure[/QUOTE] yo, discuss it all you want. But proclaiming "NO HE CANNOT DO THIS IRON MAN IS DEAD" (hyperbolic, but really not that far off what I've been reading) isn't constructive at all. Comics do weird shit all the time, you can still discuss that weird shit. I'm not gonna stop you. But don't fucking act like it's the end of the world that a writer is doing something weird or dumb. It'll probably be retconned or dropped if it isn't good or popular enough.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50667223]I'd be more inclined to read the thread (which I read as much as I could stand before it just repeated itself) if you weren't acting like such a god damn moron about it. Spamming shit like "readeraderaderaedrasdrerREAD" isn't going to make people want to read the thread. They're just going to see you as a fucking nut. People have been reading the thread. People still disagree with you. Learn to accept this and actually argue or discuss with them instead of telling them "no ur wrong read the thread" all the fucking time. People might engage you more then.[/QUOTE] No they havent. They've been saying what you said to ignore my points, they dont address my points, they dont address anyones point, all they do is repeat "but why" "but why" "she's black so you sure you're not racist?"

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50667225]i'd rather see unique comics written by women be promoted, regardless of the gender and race of the MC, than a comic written by a man featuring a genderswap of an already established character.[/QUOTE] Thats what I would rather too but afaik that stuff has been being made but it just isnt selling Also I'd hardly call this a genderswap

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50667231]yo, discuss it all you want. But proclaiming "NO HE CANNOT DO THIS IRON MAN IS DEAD" (hyperbolic, but really not that far off what I've been reading) isn't constructive at all. Comics do weird shit all the time, you can still discuss that weird shit. I'm not gonna stop you. But don't fucking act like it's the end of the world that a writer is doing something weird or dumb. It'll probably be retconned or dropped if it isn't good or popular enough.[/QUOTE] But no one thinks it's going to do anything...? No one thinks it's killing comics or anything. They're just tired of bad stories from a very mediocre writer.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50667231]yo, discuss it all you want. But proclaiming "NO HE CANNOT DO THIS IRON MAN IS DEAD" (hyperbolic, but really not that far off what I've been reading) isn't constructive at all.[/QUOTE] Nobodies been saying that, or anything comparable, proof enough you've ignored all arguments present to try and get off zingers. [QUOTE=hexpunK;50667231]Comics do weird shit all the time, you can still discuss that weird shit. I'm not gonna stop you. But don't fucking act like it's the end of the world that a writer is doing something weird or dumb. It'll probably be retconned or dropped if it isn't good or popular enough.[/QUOTE] Not an excuse. People hate when this shit happens.

Yeah all that's been said is that this is stupid and then explained why they think that way, no one is saying ironman is dead or anything like that

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50667206]Maybe i'd relax if people would stop ignoring everything ive said to get witty zingers in.[/QUOTE] ... It's comics dude. It's a dying industry that relies on "outrage/clickbaity" shit. You seriously don't need to be this invested in this argument. This has been repeated from Jane Foster, to Miles Morales (who turned out to be decent, save for his bullshit spider venom), to Sam Wilson. It's pointless to keep on repeating your points, cuz in the end, none of it matters. "The Odinson(Original Thor)" gets a new hammer, Steve Rogers comes back as the other Captain America, and Morales... get's assimilated into 616. Tony's probably gonna don his Iron Man suit to go up against Captain Marvel for the climax of Civil War II, most likely die , maybe proving his point or something , having Riri be Iron Man, and in a few months, it turns out Tony faked his death or Tony is brought back from the dead, or Tony of Earth-Whatever the fuck decides to come into the mainline universe.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;50667237]Thats what I would rather too but afaik that stuff has been being made but it just isnt selling Also I'd hardly call this a genderswap[/QUOTE] Because its not being promoted. Marvel deliberately does stupid shit to anger fans. They've outright said this. They dont want to actually make original characters or stories, they want to fuck up existing ones to make people mad and make them buy it. Im tired of it. And yes, they HAVE said it. Funny, it hasnt been working. DC kicked their fucking ass recently.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50667233]No they havent. They've been saying what you said to ignore my points, they dont address my points, they dont address anyones point, all they do is repeat "but why" "but why" "she's black so you sure you're not racist?"[/QUOTE] Lol are you for fucking real with this People have spent like 18 fucking pages addressing your points but because you're so god damn emotional about this and wont relax and debate calmly like a normal human being you're not seeing that You're letting your preconceived notions (sound familiar?) about who youre arguing against affect your judgement of their argument which is an inherently flawed way to argue

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50667228]Uh, yes there is. Panel flow, art style, pacing, color theory, how the panel layout forms together, storytelling.[/QUOTE] Okay and you've just said there is only one true way a comic can use those things to be "objectively good"? Oh please, for someone who wants in to this industry you're sure not accepting of other styles aren't you? This particular writers style seems to have a fair bit of jank, but that still doesn't mean there is one way to do it. Tons of comics that are plenty successful all use different styles for their panel flow, their story pacing and how they use colour.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50667228]Uh, yes there is. Panel flow, art style, pacing, color theory, how the panel layout forms together, storytelling. Brian Michael Bendis, while a writer, has so many quirks in his books common amongs them that he's responsible for it, understands nothing about those. His "beat panels" are the worst.[/QUOTE] I guess there can only be one art style too? Not the kind of attitude that can make it far in a creative industry, I'm sorry to say. Good luck with that sir, you'll need it.

Nobody is saying that anything is dead, just that the same hollow exploitative marketing push from Marvel is getting tired. Just because shit will normalize later doesn't excuse that.

[QUOTE=LondierX;50667256]... It's comics dude.[/QUOTE] Its just movies dude. Its just books dude. Its just games dude. Good writing doesnt matter. Shouldnt matter, just eat the white paste and be happy. [QUOTE=LondierX;50667256]It's a dying industry that relies on "outrage/clickbaity" shit.[/QUOTE] Its dying BECAUSE Marvel keeps pulling this shit, and they're so big it hurts the industry as a whole. DC doesnt do this shit. Marvel keeps rehashing #1s, now #1s sales returns are going down, for example. [QUOTE=LondierX;50667256]You seriously don't need to be this invested in this argument.[/QUOTE] YOU dont decide WHAT I need to be invested in. [QUOTE=LondierX;50667256]This has been repeated from Jane Foster, to Miles Morales (who turned out to be decent, save for his bullshit spider venom), to Sam Wilson.[/QUOTE] Jane Foster is fucking awful, and Sam Wilson being Cap is unfortunate because he was his own character before, now he's another replacement. [QUOTE=LondierX;50667256]It's pointless to keep on repeating your points, cuz in the end, none of it matters. "The Odinson(Original Thor)" gets a new hammer, Steve Rogers comes back as the other Captain America, and Morales... get's assimilated into 616.[/QUOTE] You're part of the problem.

Yeah I remember this whole same song and dance happening back with Miles a few years ago It never changes because no matter what people will have their preconceptions about what the comic will be like before it even exists which is something I cant believe people are still doing with so much confidence itt

DC is destroying Marvel in print media. Why? Because DC has been handling it's characters with tact and thoughtfulness which is surprising for DC, and comics in general. Look at how Superman and Batman are being handled currently. It's very thoughtful. Much of the old characterization that was getting really fucking tired with both of them is being done away with and we're seeing actual character growth in these old as fuck characters. It's great. And how DC's handling Batmans new sidekick in the mainline continuity(He's black) is by not even talking about his race because Batman doesn't care that his sidekick is anything but himself. That's not tokenism. What Bendis writes IS tokenism.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50667265]I guess there can only be one art style too? Not the kind of attitude that can make it far in a creative industry, I'm sorry to say. Good luck with that sir, you'll need it.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ stop putting words in my mouth. Its the same as movies, with their writing, acting, cinematography, lighting, set design, props, and costumes. Or video games and their style, direction, story, gameplay, and presentation. Its a set of standards. [editline]7th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;50667263]Okay and you've just said there is only one true way a comic can use those things to be "objectively good"? Oh please, for someone who wants in to this industry you're sure not accepting of other styles aren't you? This particular writers style seems to have a fair bit of jank, but that still doesn't mean there is one way to do it. Tons of comics that are plenty successful all use different styles for their panel flow, their story pacing and how they use colour.[/QUOTE] Stop putting words in my mouth.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50667258] Marvel deliberately does stupid shit to anger fans.[/QUOTE] The reasonings of an adult, ladies and gentlemen.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50667278]Its just movies dude. Its just books dude. Its just games dude. Good writing doesnt matter. Shouldnt matter, just eat the white paste and be happy. Its dying BECAUSE Marvel keeps pulling this shit, and they're so big it hurts the industry as a whole. DC doesnt do this shit. Marvel keeps rehashing #1s, now #1s sales returns are going down, for example. YOU dont decide WHAT I need to be invested in. Jane Foster is fucking awful, and Sam Wilson being Cap is unfortunate because he was his own character before, now he's another replacement. You're part of the problem.[/QUOTE] You think I enjoy Marvel doing this shit? I'm just saying, there's no point giving a fuck anymore. Marvel's shit, and the majority of their writing staff is full of hacks, and at the end of the day, they're gonna go back to status quo in some contrived way or another.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;50667261]Lol are you for fucking real with this People have spent like 18 fucking pages addressing your points but because you're so god damn emotional about this and wont relax and debate calmly like a normal human being you're not seeing that[/QUOTE] lol no they havent. They've been circumventing my points to call me insecure or a crybaby. Theres what like 10 other people who agree with me on this? Y[QUOTE=Duck M.;50667261]ou're letting your preconceived notions (sound familiar?) about who youre arguing against affect your judgement of their argument which is an inherently flawed way to argue[/QUOTE] I have no preconcieved notions about who im arguing against, what are you talking about. [editline]7th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=LondierX;50667304]You think I enjoy Marvel doing this shit? I'm just saying, there's no point giving a fuck anymore. Marvel's shit, and their writing staff is full of hacks.[/QUOTE] What are you even arguing then? That i shouldnt care? Read again, their fuck ups effect EVERYONE.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50667265]I guess there can only be one art style too? Not the kind of attitude that can make it far in a creative industry, I'm sorry to say. Good luck with that sir, you'll need it.[/QUOTE] Not really what his point is. I went to art school. I went to film school. There's no hard line lessons about what to do in film, but there's tons, and tons, and tons of things that "You probably shouldn't do this here". There's fast and loose guidelines around things, and of course the greatest film makers always pushed the boundaries and broke those rules to do new things. But they were always stuck obeying certain rules because hey, that's just how audiences view films, and you can't do shit to change that. There's a reason why Hitchcocks techniques are still used today. There's a reason Goddard's techniques are still used today. Because they work, and they're very smart applications of the medium.

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50667303]The reasonings of an adult, ladies and gentlemen.[/QUOTE] Wow nice job reading the thread! Look! Tom Brevoort! Executive Editor at Marvel! [img]http://comicsalliance.com/files/2011/05/tom-brevoort-0.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50667288]Stop putting words in my mouth.[/QUOTE] Dude you straight up said "yes there is only one way to draw a comic book". I'm not putting words into your mouth; [QUOTE=AaronM202;50667228] [QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50667211][B]There's no one way to do comics[/B]. You're just being pretentious here[/QUOTE] Uh, [B]yes there is[/B].[/QUOTE] Honestly, I think you really should step away from this thread because you seem to be losing it here. Nobody is attacking you, yourself but you're taking everything like we've just pissed on the graves of your ancestors for a giggle. [editline]hue[/editline] Bolded for emphasis so you don't miss it.

[img]http://comicsalliance.com/files/2011/05/tom-brevoort.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50667310] [editline]7th July 2016[/editline] What are you even arguing then? That i shouldnt care? Read again, their fuck ups effect EVERYONE.[/QUOTE] I'm just telling you not to blow a blood vessel over this dumb shit. No point in rehashing the same arguments over and over, when they get you nowhere

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50667310]lol no they havent. They've been circumventing my points to call me insecure or a crybaby. Theres what like 10 other people who agree with me on this? Y I have no preconcieved notions about who im arguing against, what are you talking about. [editline]7th July 2016[/editline] What are you even arguing then? That i shouldnt care? Read again, their fuck ups effect EVERYONE.[/QUOTE] What about the thousands if not millions of Bendis fans that I can personally guarantee disagree with your argument? They're good people too.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50667328]Wow nice job reading the thread! Look! Tom Brevoort! Executive Editor at Marvel! [img]http://comicsalliance.com/files/2011/05/tom-brevoort-0.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] This is how a lot of the media market works. It's not an actual attack on their fans, but a common, if not slightly deplorable manner to drum up attention. It's not going away because it works too well.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50667310]I have no preconcieved notions about who im arguing against, what are you talking about.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=AaronM202;50666958] You evidently dont read comics.[/QUOTE] ? Youre assuming that I have no idea what im talking about and dont read comics because you disagree with me and its reflective in how you repeatedly talk down to people

[QUOTE=hexpunK;50667330]Dude you straight up said "yes there is only one way to draw a comic book". I'm not putting words into your mouth; Honestly, I think you really should step away from this thread because you seem to be losing it here. Nobody is attacking you, yourself but you're taking everything like we've just pissed on the graves of your ancestors for a giggle. [editline]hue[/editline] Bolded for emphasis so you don't miss it.[/QUOTE] I missed the "one", it seems. My point is, mediums have standards, they must have stantards. You wouldnt be defending this if it was a video game, or a movie. Thats my point. Marvel has no standards. They dont care. [editline]7th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Duck M.;50667346]? Youre assuming that I have no idea what im talking about and dont read comics because you disagree with me and its reflective in how you repeatedly talk down to people[/QUOTE] Not preconcieved, i made an assumption based on your complete lack of any kind of understanding of who Brian Michael Bendis is and why people dont like him, or what Marvels been doing. lol. [editline]7th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;50667343]This is how a lot of the media market works. It's not an actual attack on their fans, but a common, if not slightly deplorable manner to drum up attention. It's not going away because it works too well.[/QUOTE] Uh, yeah it is. [img]https://dougernst.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/tom-brevoort-twitter-omd.jpg?w=750[/img]