TIME- "Exclusive: Marvel’s New Iron Man Is a Black Woman" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659611]This isn't political commentary! Those are clearly jokes![/QUOTE] I don't even care whether they're comparable or not, the fact of the matter is that one is published in probably thousands or tens of thousands of issues, while the other is a quickly written user opinion on facepunch dot com. They shouldn't [I]be[/I] comparable.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50659194]*Ahm* Maybe. But im assuming its hyperbolic and based on what Marvels been doing. What does this have to do with "being insecure about your gender/ethnicity." Joke response to Marvels track record as of late of replacing white superheroes with minority superheroes for the sake of diversity. Again, joke about Marvels recent track record. Again. Based on Marvels track record as of late of replacing white superheroes with black/latino/asian/gay/woman versions. Joke based off Marvels recent Track Record. Ditto. Again. Based on Marvels track record as of late of replacing white superheroes with black/latino/asian/gay/woman versions. See above. Actual genuine observation about what Marvels been doing. lol No not really.[/QUOTE] Oh, okay, well what a relief that those were all just ironic jokes. Phew! Here I was thinking that these posters were just being petulant babies, throwing a fit over a dynamic storyline having a superhero passing off his mantle to a capable young black girl, as if the idea that Iron Man (literally just a suit of fucking armor) could ever be anything other than a white man were absolutely ludicrous. Glad that's not the case, and they're all just being silly, though!

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50659697]Oh, okay, well what a relief that those were all just ironic jokes. Phew! Here I was thinking that these posters were just being petulant babies, throwing a fit over a dynamic storyline having a superhero passing off his mantle to a capable young black girl, as if the idea that Iron Man (literally just a suit of fucking armor) could ever be anything other than a white man were absolutely ludicrous. Glad that's not the case, and they're all just being silly, though![/QUOTE] BDA have you been paying attention at ALL to what anyones been saying?

[QUOTE=Monkah;50659231]You'd have to have the reading comprehension of a six year old to figure that from what they were saying. [B]To put it in another light:[/B] Half-Life 3 is finally released, except the protagonist is inexplicably changed from Gordon Freeman to a gay black girl named Rhonda. The changeover is addressed for roughly twenty seconds, and a rough majority of the game's plot is about how resistance members won't respect her over her race and perhaps the occasional "ethics in crowbarring" joke..[/QUOTE] No, it is literally fucking nothing like that lmao You want a more direct comparison? It would be more like Half-Life 3 having Alyx Vance don an HEV suit and becoming the main character, because Gordon Freeman is dead or disabled or some shit. Which, uh, big deal? That's fine? I mean, whatever, if you dislike the story point that is one thing, but if the hypothetical you's primary complaint is that Alyx Vance isn't a white male, then I'm sorry, but you're being a whiny, insecure manchild.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50659725]No, it is literally fucking nothing like that lmao You want a more direct comparison? It would be more like Half-Life 3 having Alyx Vance don an HEV suit and becoming the main character, because Gordon Freeman is dead or disabled or some shit. Which, uh, big deal? That's fine?[/QUOTE] [b]NO IT WOULDNT.[/b] Thats the whole point behind all this stupid shit Marvels been doing. BDA I want you to follow me, alright? Just follow me for a second. Alyx Vance, alright, listen, you listening? [u]She's an already established character who wasnt created as a minority solely to replace an existing character. She already has a backstory, a history with the main character, and importance to the plot of the Half-Life series.[/u] Thats. The problem. [b]These characters are[i] created[/i] solely to replace white characters for diversities sake,[/b] which is pure shit because it also undermines existing minority superheroes like The Black Panther, Shang Chi, White Tiger, Luke Cage, etc. instead of promoting THEM, they're just making some Riri to kick Tony Stark out of the suit and step in.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50659725]No, it is literally fucking nothing like that lmao You want a more direct comparison? It would be more like Half-Life 3 having Alyx Vance don an HEV suit and becoming the main character, because Gordon Freeman is dead or disabled or some shit. Which, uh, big deal? That's fine? I mean, whatever, if you dislike the story point that is one thing, but if the hypothetical you's primary complaint is that Alyx Vance isn't a white male, then I'm sorry, but you're being a whiny, insecure manchild.[/QUOTE] I really don't think the primary complaint is that the character isn't white BDA but hey whatever dude. Whateeeeever you saaaaay.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50659740][b]NO IT WOULDNT.[/b] Thats the whole point behind all this stupid shit Marvels been doing. BDA I want you to follow me, alright? Just follow me for a second. Alyx Vance, alright, listen, you listening? She's an already established character who wasnt created as a minority solely to replace an existing character. Thats. The problem. These characters are created solely to replace white characters for diversities sake, which is pure shit because it also undermines existing minority superheroes like The Black Panther or Luke Cage, instead of promoting THEM, they're just making some Riri to kick Tony Stark out of the suit and step in.[/QUOTE] How is this threatening to you, though? "Minorities" make up literally 75% of the population of the planet. Do you not get that comics introduce new characters [I]all the goddamn time?[/I] Batman has had [I]how many[/I] Robins? Earth's Green Lanterns just introduced TWO new characters, one of which is a woman, and the other of which is a Muslim. What's being criticized isn't that new characters are being introduced to pick up the mantle in a story (welcome to comics), but that the new characters are minorities. And I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous and embarrassing.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50659652]You're being not witty. You're being not funny. You're not zinging me. And im like, middle-left leaning probably, i did one of those test things like 3 years ago or whatever, its not something important to me anyway. All you're doing is making an ass of yourself.[/QUOTE] I'm trying not to be funny. Maybe you should redo that test, 3 years is a long time, especially when a political revolution took place 1-2 years ago. Have you ever thought that you just might be a little bias? Would you enjoy those jokes as a moderate, or a leftist? Or do political jokes cater only to people who like political humor? I like to paint myself as a moderate in practice, and a leftist in thought. I fully admit that I'm bias when it comes to judging posts with the overdone "transraccoon attackhelicopter-kin" meme that has now turned into social commentary how everyone is now trans something or that equality is now too equal, two things that aren't true in reality. Left wing political humor is the same as right wing political humor except for the message. There's a reason why you're fine with "transraccoon attackhelicopter-kin" humor ("It's funny because it's true!"), and why I laughed at the grandfather odin joke ("It's funny because it's true!"). [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50659656]I don't even care whether they're comparable or not, the fact of the matter is that one is published in probably thousands or tens of thousands of issues, while the other is a quickly written user opinion on facepunch dot com. They shouldn't [I]be[/I] comparable.[/QUOTE] I wholeheartedly agree that Marvel shouldn't put political commentary in their comic books, I love political commentary jokes but It's been proven that putting political commentary in comic books is just bait for extremists. I don't think the quantity of people the message will reach, but where the message is being spoken. People don't like the fact that political humor is in a marvel comic book, and I don't like the fact that political humor about assuming something will happen in a community where people love to assume that something will happen (who are usually associated with neoconservatism).

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50659776]How is this threatening to you, though? "Minorities" make up literally 75% of the population of the planet.[/QUOTE] Its... Not? I dont really give a shit unless its factored in in a stupid way. Again, im excited for Black Panther and Luke Cage. I really fucking like those two characters. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50659776]Do you not get that comics introduce new characters [I]all the goddamn time?[/I] Batman has had [I]how many[/I] Robins? [/QUOTE] You dont get it, do you? First off, can you name those Robins off individually without looking it up? People just know "Robin", second, this isnt really creating a new character. Well, it is, but its creating a new face for an existing mantle, which inherently undermines the worth of that character as being a replacement. Thats why i'd prefer if Falcon remained Falcon instead of being Cap. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50659776]Earth's Green Lanterns just introduced TWO new characters, one of which is a woman, and the other of which is a Muslim.[/QUOTE] Poor comparison since The Green Lantern Corps. is very explicitly a universe spanning cosmic police force. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50659776]What's being criticized isn't that new characters are being introduced to pick up the mantle in a story (welcome to comics), but that the new characters are minorities. And I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous and embarrassing.[/QUOTE] No, if some random blonde white dude was introduced and replaced Tony Stark i'd still have the same "fucking why though" reaction. This character didnt exist prior. This character has no existing history. No arc. No importance to the guy under the helmet right now. Thats the problem. She isnt important. James Rhodes? War Machine? When he first stepped into a suit it was as Iron Man, who he replaced, but he was an existing supporting character before then, and eventually became his own superhero, and people love War Machine. Stop assuming its the little scared whities being racist, its not. You're putting words in peoples mouths. [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659797]I'm trying not to be funny. Maybe you should redo that test, 3 years is a long time, especially when a political revolution took place 1-2 years ago.[/QUOTE] It'd probably be the same. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659797]Have you ever thought that you just might be a little bias? Would you enjoy those jokes as a moderate, or a leftist? Or do political jokes cater only to people who like political humor?[/QUOTE] Theres a difference between good humor and bad humor. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659797]I like to paint myself as a moderate in practice, and a leftist in thought. I fully admit that I'm bias when it comes to judging posts with the overdone "transraccoon attackhelicopter-kin" meme that has now turned into social commentary how everyone is now trans something or that equality is now too equal, two things that aren't true in reality.[/QUOTE] Ok. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659797]Left wing political humor is the same as right wing political humor except for the message. There's a reason why you're fine with "transraccoon attackhelicopter-kin" humor ("It's funny because it's true!"), and why I laughed at the grandfather odin joke ("It's funny because it's true!").[/QUOTE] Ughh... First, the transcopter one isnt a joke about transexuals in general, but the specific kind of attention seeking you see on Tumblr. Unless ive been misled all this time. Second, even if its a joke, the Angela thing is just unfunny and doesnt even make sense in context, why would the dude be talking about Israel, he's from Norse mythology.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50659801]This character didnt exist prior. This character has no existing history. No arc. No importance to the guy under the helmet right now. Thats the problem. She isnt important.[/QUOTE] Are you talking about the woman? She has a story... [quote]Riri is a science genius who enrolls in MIT at the age of 15. She comes to the attention of Tony when she builds her own Iron Man suit in her dorm. Creator and Iron Man writer Brian Michael Bendis spoke exclusively to TIME about the creation of Riri Williams with book artist Stefano Caselli and Marvel’s increasingly diverse cast of characters.[/quote] [quote]"One of the things that stuck with me when I was working in Chicago a couple of years ago on a TV show that didn’t end up airing was the amount of chaos and violence. And this story of this brilliant, young woman whose life was marred by tragedy that could have easily ended her life—just random street violence—and went off to college was very inspiring to me. I thought that was the most modern version of a superhero or superheroine story I had ever heard. And I sat with it for awhile until I had the right character and the right place." "As we’ve been slowly and hopefully very organically adding all these new characters to the Marvel Universe, it just seemed that sort of violence inspiring a young hero to rise up and act, and using her science acumen, her natural born abilities that are still raw but so ahead of where even Tony Stark was at that age, was very exciting to me."[/quote] [quote]"In the latest issue of Iron Man, Tony is in a lab talking to himself, and he’s already aware that there’s some student at M.I.T. that’s reverse-engineered one of his old armors all by herself in her dorm room. He’s aware of her immediately."[/quote]

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659845]Are you talking about the woman? She has a story...[/QUOTE] No she doesnt, thats her background info, this is comic books. Name one issue she's been in so far. Thats released. Like what, one issue? Two?

She has no EXISTING story, all of this wouldn't be a problem if it was say, Pepper that donned the suit(Something she has already done in the past if I remember right).

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50659801]It'd probably be the same.[/quote] You should check it out, when you have the time. It seems like you do have the time if you're spending time arguing with losers on facepunch. [QUOTE=AaronM202;50659801]Theres a difference between good humor and bad humor. [/quote] Explain to me how the overused "transracoon helicopterkin" is somehow good humor compared to the overused "grandfather is a racist". [QUOTE=AaronM202;50659801] Ughh... First, the transcopter one isnt a joke about transexuals in general, but the specific kind of attention seeking you see on Tumblr. Unless ive been misled all this time. Second, even if its a joke, the Angela thing is just unfunny and doesnt even make sense in context, why would the dude be talking about Israel, he's from Norse mythology.[/QUOTE] I laughed at the joke for 3 reasons. 1. It's unexpected. You wouldn't expect that character to talk about israel. After all, it is the punchline. 2. It's funny because it's true, most grandfathers are old fashioned, it's a common and easy joke. 3. The powerful character is now lowered to the status of an angry old racist grandfather. You should read more about humor, it will help you understand it more.

[QUOTE=Crimor;50659863]She has no EXISTING story, all of this wouldn't be a problem if it was say, Pepper that donned the suit(Something she has already done in the past if I remember right).[/QUOTE] Once or twice, then she got the RESCUE armor. Also, for context, James Rhodes, War Machine. He was introduced as a supporting character Iron Man #118 and became Iron Man in Iron Man #170. As in, introduced in 1979, and became Iron Man in 1983, when Tony Stark became an alcoholic who couldnt properly function in the suit. He had years of history with Stark and a legitimate reason to take over. Thats how you do a mantle change right.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50659848]No she doesnt, thats her background info, this is comic books. Name one issue she's been in so far. Thats released. Like what, one issue? Two?[/QUOTE] She's being introduced to the series... ...and you're complaining that's bad because she no story... :what: It's like complaining that the New Protagonist in Mass Effect: Andromeda shouldn't exist because he/she had no Story in the original Mass Effect.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659882] I laughed at the joke for 3 reasons. 1. It's unexpected. You wouldn't expect that character to talk about israel. After all, it is the punchline. 2. It's funny because it's true, most grandfathers are old fashioned, it's a common and easy joke. 3. The powerful character is now lowered to the status of an angry old racist grandfather. You should read more about humor, it will help you understand it more.[/QUOTE] I'm a pretty far left leaning person And I don't think that's a joke, nor do I think it's funny.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50659904]I'm a pretty far left leaning person And I don't think that's a joke, nor do I think it's funny.[/QUOTE] Maybe because it has nothing to do with being left or right, like I said before in my posts. Or maybe that humor is entirely subjective.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659882]You should check it out, when you have the time. It seems like you do have the time if you're spending time arguing with losers on facepunch.[/QUOTE] Not really interested tbh. I dont really feel like figuring out with category i should belong to. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659882]Explain to me how the overused "transracoon helicopterkin" is somehow good humor compared to the overused "grandfather is a racist".[/QUOTE] Never said i found it funny, you're assuming i do because you assume i have opposite political beliefs to yours. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659882]I laughed at the joke for 3 reasons. 1. It's unexpected. You wouldn't expect that character to talk about israel. After all, it is the punchline.[/QUOTE] Thats... No, its a comic about norse characters (mostly), why would that be brought up. Unexpectedness isnt automatically funny. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659882]2. It's funny because it's true, most grandfathers are old fashioned, it's a common and easy joke.[/QUOTE] Why not make him racist about like, Frost Giants or something actually relevant to the mythos. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659882]3. The powerful character is now lowered to the status of an angry old racist grandfather.[/QUOTE] There are other ways to go about that without taking the reader completely out of the scenario. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659882]You should read more about humor, it will help you understand it more.[/QUOTE] Are you honestly saying i should read up on humor if i didnt find a Norse god randomly mentioning Israel to be funny.

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;50658897]If sjw manage to change something with their constant whining - it counts as being in control. Because right now "you're racist" and "homophobic much" cards are working, and giving results, which leads to unsettling implications. And, of course, to cituations like in this topic.[/QUOTE] So you're concluding that SJWs have taken over because Marvel is choosing to introduce a new character to their own comics Get a load of this

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659898]She's being introduced to the series... ...and you're complaining that's bad because she no story... :what:[/QUOTE] Yes, because she's replacing Tony Stark as Iron Man. Some random ass new character with no prior history with Stark or any of his supporting characters is now the Invincible Iron Man (who is also a woman for some reason, so the name doesnt work anymore) [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659898]It's like complaining that the New Protagonist in Mass Effect: Andromeda shouldn't exist because he/she had no Story in the original Mass Effect.[/QUOTE] No, that'd be like complaining if... I dont know, some random dude name Bill who was never shown in any game or supplementary media replaced Samus in the Metroid games, and also literally stole her name, so now Samus is some random dude named Bill and the real Samus is gone. [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;50659930]So you're concluding that SJWs have taken over because Marvel is choosing to introduce a new character to their own comics Get a load of this[/QUOTE] Maybe you should read instead of driveby shitposting and you might understand why people are complaining.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50659949] Maybe you should read instead of driveby shitposting and you might understand why people are complaining.[/QUOTE] I understand exactly why people are complaining and BDA already said it - insecurity. [editline]6th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50659156]This is just the first page: At least half the fucking thread is saying exactly this lol[/QUOTE] This might be the biggest crybaby thread I've ever seen on FP, even bigger than the female Thor one

[QUOTE=Zeke129;50659955]I understand exactly why people are complaining and BDA already said it - insecurity.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ would you actually [b]READ[/b] what people are saying for once. BDA, no offense to you bb, paid no attention to and im sure was blatantly ignoring half of what people were saying. [QUOTE=Zeke129;50659955] This might be the biggest crybaby thread I've ever seen on FP, even bigger than the female Thor one[/QUOTE] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1525790&p=50659801&viewfull=1#post50659801]READ.[/url] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1525790&p=50659740&viewfull=1#post50659740]REEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDD.[/url]

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50659910]Maybe because it has nothing to do with being left or right, like I said before in my posts. Or maybe that humor is entirely subjective.[/QUOTE] Yes humour is subjective so maybe you shouldn't be telling someone else who doesn't laugh at what you do, to go learn about humour

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50659959]Jesus Christ would you actually [b]READ[/b] what people are saying for once. BDA, no offense to you bb, paid no attention to and im sure was blatantly ignoring half of what people were saying.[/QUOTE] You think you're being ignored because people are disagreeing with you That's also a crybaby thing

[QUOTE=Zeke129;50659966]You think you're being ignored because people are disagreeing with you That's also a crybaby thing[/QUOTE] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1525790&p=50659801&viewfull=1#post50659801]I mean for gods sake.[/url] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1525790&p=50659740&viewfull=1#post50659740]Please just have SOME reading comprehenson.[/url]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50659156]This is just the first page: At least half the fucking thread is saying exactly this lol[/QUOTE] "exactly this" yet i have yet to find any connection, unless you think that anyone who has anything negative to say about this move is "insecure" or "threatened". if that's the case, your mental gymnastics are at Olympic level

[QUOTE=Zeke129;50659966]You think you're being ignored because people are disagreeing with you That's also a crybaby thing[/QUOTE] "You care about this's. Therefore you're insecure, and that's that" Are you for real dude? I respect you but this is not reasonable IMO

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50659922]Not really interested tbh. I dont really feel like figuring out with category i should belong to.[/quote] alright dude, that's your choice [quote] Never said i found it funny, you're assuming i do because you assume i have opposite political beliefs to yours. [/quote] lmao alright dude! Idk do you blame me when i think you like a certain humor when I say "Whats the difference between x humor and y humor" and you say "theres good humor and then theres bad humor!" when you were previously defending x humor you never said why you defended trans helicopter humor, yet you shit on "grandpa is racist" humor. can you at least acknowledge that instead of trying to trip me up via asumming im assuming that im assuming that assuming assuming? [quote] Thats... No, its a comic about norse characters (mostly), why would that be brought up. Unexpectedness isnt automatically funny. [/quote] Well no shit, dude? That's why I listed several reasons. Comedy doesn't make most people laugh just because of 1 thing. [quote] Why not make him racist about like, Frost Giants or something actually relevant to the mythos. [/QUOTE] Ask them that. I couldn't give a shit about the universe it's in. On it's own, I found the joke funny. [quote] There are other ways to go about that without taking the reader completely out of the scenario. [/QUOTE] Yeah, of course. I don't know what else you want me to say about this. Humor can be done in a million different ways. [quote]Are you honestly saying i should read up on humor if i didnt find a Norse god randomly mentioning Israel to be funny.[/QUOTE] No, I'm telling you to read up on humor if you have a hard time understanding why someone else would find it funny. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50659964]Yes humour is subjective so maybe you shouldn't be telling someone else who doesn't laugh at what you do, to go learn about humour[/QUOTE] I'm telling him to go read up on humor because he's saying "THIS ISN'T FUNNY" like it's fact.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50659984][url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1525790&p=50659801&viewfull=1#post50659801]I mean for gods sake.[/url] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1525790&p=50659740&viewfull=1#post50659740]Please just have SOME reading comprehenson.[/url][/QUOTE] both of those posts were incredibly stupid though

[QUOTE=Zeke129;50659966]You think you're being ignored because people are disagreeing with you That's also a crybaby thing[/QUOTE] I think he's really being ignored because like 99% of his posts are being passive aggressive when it comes to anyone who disagrees with him. "Just have reading comprehension!" "Are you listening? Hey are you listening!" "REEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD" "Stop shitposting!" "UGh..."