[QUOTE=Marlamin;42417288]Where does it say that? It just says that IF you already have an account and select bank transfer they won't debit your current account.
If you already have an account you can select the last payment method "Current Account with OHIM (CA)".
The same thing happened with "Corgis Unleashed" (which was trademarked under Blizzard's name by someone else). No money was exchanged to get it to show up.[/QUOTE]
Oooh, I see what you mean now.
[editline]5th October 2013[/editline]
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[B]The basic application fee must be paid within one month of the date of submission of the application in order to obtain the receipt date as the filing date. [/B]3.[/QUOTE]
What exactly does this imply?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42411400]Why? Why can't it be story-wise Episode 3 (except longer), just named Half-Life 3 on a new engine?[/QUOTE]
Because Half-Life 3 would mean a new installment in the series. A notable cut, not a continuation of the current arc. People that only know a bit about Half-Life could take this as their chance to get into the series via an updated version, only to find out they've missed all the buildup the previous episodes have done.
[QUOTE=Butthurter;42411425]the problem is that its been 5+ years since the last half-life game for ep3 or hl3 whatever its called
the concluding game has to recap and redo everything that the episodes had tried to build for the beginning of the game, without subjecting us through a stupid recap montage in a half assed attempt at reminding us what happened
5+ years is a good enough time to redo most of the chunk of story thats been left in the dust and carried on needlessly by fans through fanfics
im sure everyone and their dog has already read or theorized about how the borealis may have potential for teleportation and its not quite a far fetch considering thats what the combine even needed in the 1st place
if the concluding game merely dismisses all this and just goes straight to the story without giving us a sip of the background structure for the 1st 2 episodes,
its going to be nothing but plain fanservice as the game makes the assumption that only long time half-life 2 fans get to know whats happened since ep3/hl3[/QUOTE]
A small recap in the style of the previous episodes is what I'd expect. Even if it was just like one year in development you couldn't expect people to still be caught up, leave alone be in the emotional state that buildup is supposed to invoke. I think it's a complete waste of resources to basically remake the previous episodes, they have their purpose in the narrative whole. If you want to go through the events in detail instead, just replay the episodes. Basically the same thing everyone does after a Season 2 comes out after a break or a movie trilogy produces another installment.
No idea how fan fiction factors into any of this.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;42411448]It makes even less sense to develop and release a new episode this long after Episode 2 just so that they can lead into Half-Life 3. I could totally see them doing a series of comics, a short movie, or even some experimental interactive experience to link the two, but the idea they're going to produce ~6+ hours of content just so that they can move onto a new story arc is silly.[/QUOTE]
The only thing I can base any assumptions on is how Valve handled the cut between HL1 and 2, so from that perspective Episode 3 would conclude Gordon's battle against the Combine forces of City 17. Then HL3 takes the battle to the next scale after a sharp cut. Episode 3 wouldn't bridge anything in that concept. Create mystery maybe, but not build up HL3 since that would screw up the tension curve again.
In HL2 they destroyed the Citadel, in Ep1 City 17 exploded, in Ep2 the superportal was closed. Now they "just" need to deal with the remaining forces and then the Combine of City 17 are defeated. That's been the main objective ever since HL2.
[url]http://oami.europa.eu/search/LegalDocs/la/EN_Refused_Index.cfm?claw=ctm[/url]
It can't be found in the "Refused Trademark" database.
Why are people bitching so hard about if it will be called HL3 or Episode 3? It's obviously gonna continue where episode 2 left off in some form regardless, does it really matter what it's called?
[QUOTE='Rain [Amber];42418687']Why are people bitching so hard about if it will be called HL3 or Episode 3? It's obviously gonna continue where episode 2 left off in some form regardless, does it really matter what it's called?[/QUOTE]
it's a mess, they should just finish with a 3-5 hour episode 3, which at the after credits an HL3 trailer appears, just like EP1
This is the best way possible to avoid hype rape
I so saw this coming. I won't get excited about Half Life anymore unless it's Gabe personally handing me the finished game.
Yeah, I expected it to be a fake of some sort too.
At least when it ever does come around, it'll be a new experience and probably using a newer engine of Source. I wonder how it'll look like.
Anyone who did a little digging knew this was coming. The trademark was registered on the 29 of September. Registered trademarks only last 6 months. 6 months after the 29th is April 1st...
just be patient guys
[QUOTE=locojaws;42410684]ugh i don't care about all the hardware they're doing, they should keep making amazing games[/QUOTE]
except it's gonna be appealing to console gamers, thus make Steam bigger thus more games getting PC ports, that's a big deal imo
[QUOTE=SatansSin;42410580]Quite honestly, anyone who gets 'excited' toward Half Life 3, anything, is going to be ultimately disappointed.
Unless it's from Valve themselves, then don't expect jack shit.
Plus they're busy with their own console, so I highly doubt they're going to spend much time on HL3.
[sp]god damnit code I wrote all that while watching your avatar fuck me[/sp][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=locojaws;42410684]ugh i don't care about all the hardware they're doing, they should keep making amazing games[/QUOTE]
You guys know most of the people developing the games almost certainly arent involved with the hardware, right? And that they can be working on two different things at the same time, right?
[QUOTE=Coffee;42410780]It can still be called Episode 3 and yet still be a full game.[/QUOTE]
imagine in the year say 2017 a video game called "Half Life 2: Episode 3" comes out. What a overly complicated name, in an era where presentation, simplicity, minimalism, and advertising exists. Face it, to someone who hasn't heard of the series, that name would be so off putting.
Just imagine if Fallout 3 was instead titled "Fallout 2: Episode 2: the lost chapters of N'yenshi'pue: of the gaiden of portexlol12: Masters of the Universe: Universe 3"
just fuck it, Half Life 3 is better for marketing. No one wants a measly episode.
[QUOTE=Rika-chan;42410908]3 comes after 2, it makes perfect sense.[/QUOTE]
That would make sense if Half life 3 was going to be used for a completely new story, instead of a continuation of an existing one. Saying Episode 3 should be called Half life 3 is like saying the HL1 expansions should of been called Half life 2. The next Half life game will still be part of the Half life 2 story arc, calling it Half life 3 would not fit in with how Valve named previous games. It does not make sense for the games in the Half life 2 story to go:
Half life 2
Half life 2: Episode 1
Half life 2: Episode 2
Half life 3
Valve has said the Episodic model of development didn't work, but that just means that the next game won't be developed using that method, so it won't be a shorter game that can be made in a shorter amount of time. The next game in the series will be a full length game, but it is still part of the overall Half life 2 story and has the same setting, characters, locations etc. The Half life 2 storyline needs to be completed before a new one can be started, the name Half life 3 suggests a new story. People who are new to the series might think it is independent to the previous games in the series and that they don't need to play the previous games to understand it.
I have seen no real good reason for people to think the next game will be called Half life 3. The two main reasons I've seen are either because of how long the game has been in development, or because of marketing. The first reason doesn't make any sense as the name of the game does not determine the content. As for the marketing reason, it would give the impression it is a completely new story that does not require playing any other games in the series, rather than being something that directly continues from the point the previous game ended. The only time Valve has called it Half life 3 is when they person asking a question referred to it as that first.
I'm not saying the game should be called Episode 3 still, but it doesn't make sense to call it something that doesn't have Half life 2 in the name when it is part of Half life 2. As long as the next game continues with the Half life 2 story, they will call it Episode 3, or something with Half life 2 in the name. Half life 3 will be for a completely new story with a different setting.
Wait hold on guys, I've found a solution to our problem:
Let's just call it Half-Life 2: Aftermath
perhaps they're waiting to finish source 2 before they put half life 3/episode 3/whateverthefuckitmightbe into development
i mean, to be fair, source is an outdated engine that's just been endlessly patched upon and reconfigured to work for valve games up until now - might as well wait until you've got the neatest and newest engine before you start churning out another installment in your largest IP, especially when they're also working on hardware stuff.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;42420283]imagine in the year say 2017 a video game called "Half Life 2: Episode 3" comes out. What a overly complicated name, in an era where presentation, simplicity, minimalism, and advertising exists. Face it, to someone who hasn't heard of the series, that name would be so off putting.
Just imagine if Fallout 3 was instead titled "Fallout 2: Episode 2: the lost chapters of N'yenshi'pue: of the gaiden of portexlol12: Masters of the Universe: Universe 3"
just fuck it, Half Life 3 is better for marketing. No one wants a measly episode.[/QUOTE]
Except the gameplay and storyline from fallout 2 to fallout 3 are incredibly different and not even related to each other. Everything was different, you'd be idiotic to call it Fallout 2: Episode 2. Whereas with HL2:EP3, the gameplay will be similar and the storyline takes off directly from where it left off in HL2:EP2.
If "presentation and advertising" were so important, Half-Life 2 Episodes wouldn't exist in the first place if "Half-Life 2: Episode 2 looks too complicated and puts off people who haven't heard of the series". It was already like that, and considering the playerbase has only grown larger since HL2 EP2, the "off putting name" isn't such a big factor and really just isn't enough to warrant a name change that big. Naming the game Half-Life 3 implies a lot of things that ruins the point of having "Episode One" and "Episode Two" in the first place, not to mention it'd be even more confusing and pointless.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;42420283]imagine in the year say 2017 a video game called "Half Life 2: Episode 3" comes out. What a overly complicated name, in an era where presentation, simplicity, minimalism, and advertising exists. Face it, to someone who hasn't heard of the series, that name would be so off putting.
Just imagine if Fallout 3 was instead titled "Fallout 2: Episode 2: the lost chapters of N'yenshi'pue: of the gaiden of portexlol12: Masters of the Universe: Universe 3"
just fuck it, Half Life 3 is better for marketing. No one wants a measly episode.[/QUOTE]
It's nothing like if Fallout 3 had been called that. Fallout 3 is not a direct continuation from the previous games, nor does it in continue the Fallout 2 story - The location is different, story is different, characters are different etc. The only thing Fallout 2 and Fallout 3 have in common is they both take place in the same universe. The next Half life game is still going to be part of the Half life 2 story, which means it will have Half life 2 in the name.
The game isn't going to being made for people who are new to the series, it's not there to introduce the series to people. It's to continue from the previous game and finish off the Half life 2 storyline. You're saying people wouldn't be confused if the games that they have to play to understand the Half life 2 story arc were:
Half life 2
Half life 2: Episode 1
Half life 2: Episode 2
Half life 3
That makes no sense. Half life 2: Episode 3 or something with Half life 2 in the title is not complicated. It clearly shows that is is part of the Half life 2 story, which Half life 3 does not indicate at all. People who are new to the series would think that Half life 3 is a completely new thing and they don't have to play previous games to know what is going on.
[QUOTE=nightlord;42420620]That would make sense if Half life 3 was going to be used for a completely new story, instead of a continuation of an existing one. Saying Episode 3 should be called Half life 3 is like saying the HL1 expansions should of been called Half life 2. The next Half life game will still be part of the Half life 2 story arc, calling it Half life 3 would not fit in with how Valve named previous games. It does not make sense for the games in the Half life 2 story to go:
Half life 2
Half life 2: Episode 1
Half life 2: Episode 2
Half life 3
Valve has said the Episodic model of development didn't work, but that just means that the next game won't be developed using that method, so it won't be a shorter game that can be made in a shorter amount of time. The next game in the series will be a full length game, but it is still part of the overall Half life 2 story and has the same setting, characters, locations etc. The Half life 2 storyline needs to be completed before a new one can be started, the name Half life 3 suggests a new story. People who are new to the series might think it is independent to the previous games in the series and that they don't need to play the previous games to understand it.
I have seen no real good reason for people to think the next game will be called Half life 3. The two main reasons I've seen are either because of how long the game has been in development, or because of marketing. The first reason doesn't make any sense as the name of the game does not determine the content. As for the marketing reason, it would give the impression it is a completely new story that does not require playing any other games in the series, rather than being something that directly continues from the point the previous game ended. The only time Valve has called it Half life 3 is when they person asking a question referred to it as that first.
I'm not saying the game should be called Episode 3 still, but it doesn't make sense to call it something that doesn't have Half life 2 in the name when it is part of Half life 2. As long as the next game continues with the Half life 2 story, they will call it Episode 3, or something with Half life 2 in the name. Half life 3 will be for a completely new story with a different setting.[/QUOTE]
Why are you so obsessed with the fact that a sequal needs to start a new story? Even if previous Half-Life games have always done so, I don't see why the next one has to. If the next game is on an entirely new engine with new visuals, new gameplay and the only thing really the same is the story and maybe core mechanics then I think it makes no sense to call it Episode 3.
The only way they'd call it Episode 3 is if it was just running on an updated Source engine.
[QUOTE=t h e;42421824]
[B]If "presentation and advertising" were so important[/B], [/QUOTE]
they weren't back then but they are now.
The gaming industry has changed and Valve is now considered a mainstream AAA developer. If they made Episode 3 and not HL3 the review sites would slam them and call the game dated, not changed enough, lackluster, etc.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;42423521]they weren't back then but they are now.
The gaming industry has changed and Valve is now considered a mainstream AAA developer. If they made Episode 3 and not HL3 the review sites would slam them and call the game dated, not changed enough, lackluster, etc.[/QUOTE]
And rightfully so in my opinion, I don't want another source-based episode that looks, feels and plays out just like all the previous HL2-game, I want a new experience.
I wouldn't mind HL3 to be on the same engine but at the same time I would mind, kind of.
[QUOTE=PredGD;42425016]I wouldn't mind HL3 to be on the same engine but at the same time I would mind, kind of.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't mind an Episode 3 but I wouldn't pay more than 30 bucks max.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;42423521]they weren't back then but they are now.
The gaming industry has changed and Valve is now considered a mainstream AAA developer. If they made Episode 3 and not HL3 the review sites would slam them and call the game dated, not changed enough, lackluster, etc.[/QUOTE]
Episode 3 will be on Source 2.
Valve can make additions to game play where they see fit.
You're making blind assumptions that just because it's called Episode 3, it would end up being dated and unchanged compared to previous games.
In all honesty, we've BEEN patient for a long time. I think it's only been this last year and a half or so that we've been getting really worked up about it. I know whining about it isn't going to get anything accomplished, but I think we've waited long enough honestly. Valve should either give us something to go off of that isn't an ARG, or just announce that the production of any Half-Life related content is discontinued until further notice. I personally don't think it's entirely fair that we've waited so long and have been given almost nothing but small bread crumbs. Just my $0.02.
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