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[QUOTE=Hellduck;39870722]So you dislike gypsies?[/QUOTE]
The ones I live next to? Can't say they are the best and most lovable neighbours...
[QUOTE=dass;39870758]The ones I live next to? Can't say they are the best and most lovable neighbours...[/QUOTE]
So what did you think he'd said?
[QUOTE=Hellduck;39870769]So what did you think he'd said?[/QUOTE]
I already said.
"why would someone dislike gypsies?"
In short, fucking nothing related to genocide, jeez...
[QUOTE=dass;39870644]That's no backpedalling. It was a mistake by me, which no one ever bothered to ask for an explanation so they just marked me a racist and banned me. Starpluck didn't even ask me anything about it ffs.
It wasn't supposed to be about genocide at all.[/QUOTE]
maybe you should think before you type in the future, then. You're supposed to learn a lesson when you get banned. Did you?
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[QUOTE=dass;39870758]The ones I live next to? Can't say they are the best and most lovable neighbours...[/QUOTE]
the funny thing here is the fact that they are gypsies has nothing to do with the content of their character lol
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39870830]maybe you should think before you type in the future, then. You're supposed to learn a lesson when you get banned. Did you?[/QUOTE]
Two lessons actually.
It was just awfully bad reading that led me to type the wrong thing.
Well now you know to read others posts, so that's a start. Now...
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39870830]
the funny thing here is the fact that they are gypsies has nothing to do with the content of their character lol[/QUOTE]
All I know is that the rest of my neighbours don't pull out the signs on the highway or throw rocks at cars...
Well, throwing rocks at cars is very fun, I'll have you know. That aside, am I to conclude from this statement that you think gypsies are bad people because of this family?
The fact is that if you think any group of people is awful because of their racial identity, you are literally a racist.
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there's nothing wrong with not liking a group of people because of their actions, but when you extend that to every person of the same race of the people in said group, you are being racist and no longer judging based on character, but PREJUDICE
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racism 101 now u know lol
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39870917]Well, throwing rocks at cars is very fun, I'll have you know. That aside, am I to conclude from this statement that you think gypsies are bad people because of this family?
The fact is that if you think any group of people is awful because of their racial identity, you are literally a racist.
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there's nothing wrong with not liking a group of people because of their actions, but when you extend that to every person of the same race of the people in said group, you are being racist and no longer judging based on character, but PREJUDICE
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racism 101 now u know lol[/QUOTE]
Family?
Theres 5 camps near where I live.
The road right next to them is completely void of markers because they broke them all or just pulled them off the ground.
They constantly have a children's carriage next to the highway, marking where to stop to whoever their clients are whenever they are gonna deal some drugs.
Passing by them at a pace slower than that of a car is suicide.
Not to mention that a couple of them were already ran over trying to pass from one side to the other. One of the drivers didn't even stop, he got the fuck out of there but still surrendered to the police willingly, keeping anonimity. If he had stopped there, it wouldn't have ended well for him either.
And you're late. I already said the ones near me are pretty awful people, and excluded everyone else of the same group.
You refer to "them" and "they"
I mean really you are just proving my point
[QUOTE=dass;39871107]Family?
Theres 5 camps near where I live.
The road right next to them is completely void of markers because they broke them all or just pulled them off the ground.
They constantly have a children's carriage next to the highway, marking where to stop to whoever their clients are whenever they are gonna deal some drugs.
Passing by them at a pace slower than that of a car is suicide.
Not to mention that a couple of them were already ran over trying to pass from one side to the other. One of the drivers didn't even stop, he got the fuck out of there but still surrendered to the police willingly, keeping anonimity. If he had stopped there, it wouldn't have ended well for him either.
And you're late. I already said the ones near me are pretty awful people, and excluded everyone else of the same group.[/QUOTE]
road said them being gypsies had nothing to do with their poor behavior and you went out of your way to subtly disagree and say "the rest of your neighbors" dont throw rocks / rip out highway signs. thats implying the reason they do it is because theyre gypsies / only gypsies do that, so why pretend you aren't generalizing gypsies?
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39871204]You refer to "them" and "they"
I mean really you are just proving my point[/QUOTE]
Now you're just reaching for straws.
What non-offensive way do you propose to use when referring to... them?
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;39871205]road said them being gypsies had nothing to do with their poor behavior and you went out of your way to subtly disagree and say "the rest of your neighbors" dont throw rocks / rip out highway signs. thats implying the reason they do it is because theyre gypsies / only gypsies do that, so why pretend you aren't generalizing gypsies?[/QUOTE]
lol I implyed no such thing
mentioned them as gypsies, as in THESE gypsies, THESE 5 DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE, and not ALL gypsies
It's not that you are using the incorrect pronoun to address a group of people, it's that you are assuming all of these people are the same.
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idk why you go out of your way to mention the fact they are gypsies if it really has nothing to do with the fact that they are gypsies
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and then there are 5 groups of people that you assume all have the same behavior... would you make no connection between them if they were not gypsies? lol
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39871305]It's not that you are using the incorrect pronoun to address a group of people, it's that you are assuming all of these people are the same.[/QUOTE]
I am? What?
I thought I've been talking about the groups of gypsies near where I live, not about everyone...
Denying that it was them who did all of that shit is like denying the fact that the planet is round.
And I used "them" there because... How the fuck do you want me to refer to...them?....
I'm referring to the people within these groups. you don't seem to believe it is individuals carrying out these acts but every single person within said group
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39871305]and then there are 5 groups of people that you assume all have the same behavior... would you make no connection between them if they were not gypsies? lol[/QUOTE]
You see, YOU are making the racist connection there.
I specifically only mentioned the fact that they are gypsies, because they are gypsies, and its the the only way to refer to these specific individuals.
It can't be anyone else, because nobody else walks/cycles along those roads every day at every hour...
Nah, you're missing the point here, which is that you are not seeing these people as individuals but members of a group and it just so happens you are identifying said group by their race
[QUOTE=dass;39871233]lol I implyed no such thing
mentioned them as gypsies, as in THESE gypsies, THESE 5 DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE, and not ALL gypsies[/QUOTE]
then why did you get defensive and disagree with road when he said them being gypsies wasnt the reason for their behavior?
im a girl fyi ;0
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[QUOTE=dass;39870869]All I know is that the rest of my neighbours don't pull out the signs on the highway or throw rocks at cars...[/QUOTE]
yeah this is the part where you should say "I agree it has nothing to do with the fact they are gypsies, that is true"
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39871411]then why did you get defensive and disagree with road when he said them being gypsies wasnt the reason for their behavior?[/QUOTE]
Because he was increadibly late to the discussion and didn't read the part where I said these particular groups of gypsy people who live near me are awful compared to other groups of the same ethnicity.
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[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39871407]Nah, you're missing the point here, which is that you are not seeing these people as individuals but members of a group and it just so happens you are identifying said group by their race[/QUOTE]
Since when is identifying by race being racist?
Its not like I'm saying they do it because they are gypsies even...
Associating people with negative traits and judging them due to their race is being racist. you are not identifying these people as "the people who live near me" but "the gypsies that live near me." And once again, you are judging groups of people for behavior exhibited by how many people within said group?
[QUOTE=dass;39871479]Because he was increadibly late to the discussion and didn't read the part where I said these particular groups of gypsy people who live near me are awful compared to other groups of the same ethnicity.[/QUOTE]
so because she was late to the discussion, you disagreed with her when she said them being gypsies isnt related to their behavior
you know that when you disagree with that statement youre implicitly saying them being gypsies IS related to their behavior?
the fact that you are comparing them to others within their ethnicity as opposed to just people in general is astounding
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39871520]Associating people with negative traits and judging them due to their race is being racist. you are not identifying these people as "the people who live near me" but "the gypsies that live near me." And once again, you are judging groups of people for behavior exhibited by how many people within said group?[/QUOTE]
That's bigotry tho,
Being racist is like "I'm better than these gypsies cause x, y, and z"
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39871459]yeah this is the part where you should say "I agree it has nothing to do with the fact they are gypsies, that is true"[/QUOTE]
This is the part where you realize that I just mentioned that these particular groups, for example, are gypsies just like one would mention that there are white/black/asian/whatever people that are bad, and others of the same race who are good!
It's a fucking example.
[QUOTE=dass;39871479]
Since when is identifying by race being racist?
Its not like I'm saying they do it because they are gypsies even...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=dass;38187455]
You do NOT mess with a gypsy in ANY way, or you're almost guaranteed to have something missing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=F T;39871533]That's bigotry tho,
Being racist is like "I'm better than these gypsies cause x, y, and z"[/QUOTE]
it's an element of racism. I avoiding saying it is racist, directly, because technically it's not, but it certainly contributes to it, etc. It's mincing words, we all know what we are trying to get at here. I appreciate your clarification though.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;39871524]so because she was late to the discussion, you disagreed with her when she said them being gypsies isnt related to their behavior
you know that when you disagree with that statement youre implicitly saying them being gypsies IS related to their behavior?[/QUOTE]
I disagree with her because I didn't fucking make any connection of their actions with the fact that they are gypsies.
Fuck sakes.
[QUOTE=dass;39871534]This is the part where you realize that I just mentioned that these particular groups, for example, are gypsies just like one would mention that there are white/black/asian/whatever people that are bad, and others of the same race who are good!
It's a fucking example.[/QUOTE]
you have clearly made a point in constantly referring them to "gypsies" and pointing out their ethnicity as opposed to just referring to them as people which is what leads me to believe you don't really understand racism.
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[QUOTE=dass;39871559]I disagree with her because I didn't fucking make any connection of their actions with the fact that they are gypsies.
Fuck sakes.[/QUOTE]
With the language you are using (not referring to using curse words here) I find that hard to believe.
Nice to see you joining us pain, with a quote from months ago, which you apparently don't understand.
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39871560]you have clearly made a point in constantly referring them to "gypsies" and pointing out their ethnicity as opposed to just referring to them as people which is what leads me to believe you don't really understand racism.
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With the language you are using (not referring to using curse words here) I find that hard to believe.[/QUOTE]
You seriously don't understand do you?
If I said people, then everyone would be at fault, which they clearly aren't.
I'm not pointing out their ethnicity, I'm pointing out and specifying the group of people who does that stuff on that road. Is it that hard to understand? I'm not making any connection to their ethnicity.
And language has nothing to do with that.
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