• Projection, much?: Tropes Vs MEN creators abscond with cash.
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[QUOTE=G-Strogg;39860834]Well at least you confirmed the "childish" part.[/QUOTE] yeah laughing at someone who's a dude and doesn't empathize with women because he can't see past his own privilege is so juvenile
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39860954]yeah laughing at someone who's a dude and doesn't empathize with women because he can't see past his own privilege is so juvenile[/QUOTE] It is. Had you actually tried debating instead of just "hoho you're really [I]mangry[/I] over this subject. Cuz ur a man. And you hate women hahah that sure is wack pls enter the 21st century". Don't treat him like he hates women just because he is very skeptical towards this video series raison d'être. I know the stuff he says isn't all right all the time but had you read his posts you would've noticed the curious nature of his disposition. When you insult people like that you remove the purpose of the debate. When you insist that you should do it because its "funny as hell" and "really shows that privileged fuck (who even uses that word) what's what" it's just childish. This why you get titles like "fucking asshole". Not because you are the shining beacon of egality and justice that you think you are, but rather because you think yourself superior to literally everyone.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39860954]yeah laughing at someone who's a dude and doesn't empathize with women because he can't see past his own privilege is so juvenile[/QUOTE] Most people I see having a problem with it are men, and I personally haven't met any women who've said they have a problem with the lack of female protagonists in games. I can see why they might have a problem with it, I just personally haven't seen any actually having a problem with it.
[QUOTE=JDB;39860835]ohlookitsthisthreadagain.jpg[/QUOTE] The same old people, notice how the people who get caught up sexism arguments never capitalize
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;39861094]It is. Had you actually tried debating instead of just "hoho you're really [i]mangry[/i] over this subject. Cuz ur a man. And you hate women hahah that sure is wack pls enter the 21st century". Don't treat him like he hates women just because he is very skeptical towards this video series raison d'être. I know the stuff he says isn't all right all the time but had you read his posts you would've noticed the curious nature of his disposition. When you insult people like that you remove the purpose of the debate. When you insist that you should do it because its "funny as hell" and "really shows that privileged fuck (who even uses that word) what's what" it's just childish. This why you get tiles like "fucking asshole". Not because you are the shining beacon of egality and justice that you think you are, but rather because you think yourself superior to literally everyone.[/QUOTE] The thing is, he's a dude and it doesn't really matter how it makes him feel, that is the subtext of what I was saying and I don't have to educate you guys on this stuff, I can laugh at your expense if you're saying shitty things. If I took everything seriously all the time I'd probably just avoid it altogether. It's just a shitty tone argument, I'm not less right or more wrong if I'm hostile or laughing at you, I actually put effort into responding to you because you put effort into responding to me. Ur a cool dude. All mobrockers does is find something - anything - wrong with what her and attacks it, like this last gem: [QUOTE=mobrockers2;39860803]Fair enough. I hope she talks about some more recent games in her next video, and she doesn't take another 9 months to release it or this is all pointless.[/quote] yeah it took her 9 months! better attack that now, not her actual video or anything [editline]9th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers2;39861125]Most people I see having a problem with it are men, and I personally haven't met any women who've said they have a problem with the lack of male protagonists in games. I can see why they might have a problem with it, I just personally haven't seen any actually having a problem with it.[/QUOTE] ok well I'm a man and I don't like it either, it perpetuates the idea that men can't show emotion and they always have to be strong, when this really isn't the case!
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39861167]The thing is, he's a dude and it doesn't really matter how it makes him feel, that is the subtext of what I was saying and I don't have to educate you guys on this stuff, I can laugh at your expense if you're saying shitty things. If I took everything seriously all the time I'd probably just avoid it altogether. It's just a shitty tone argument, I'm not less right or more wrong if I'm hostile or laughing at you, I actually put effort into responding to you because you put effort into responding to me. Ur a cool dude. All mobrockers does is find something - anything - wrong with what her and attacks it, like this last gem: yeah it took her 9 months! better attack that now, not her actual video or anything[/QUOTE] If it takes her another 9 months to create the second video, people will have forgotten about her by the time her second video lands. No one will care about her anymore. I'd think you'd care about that seeing as you support her cause so much.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39861191]If it takes her another 9 months to create the second video, people will have forgotten about her by the time her second video lands. No one will care about her anymore. I'd think you'd care about that seeing as you support her cause so much.[/QUOTE] uh huh, the point is you are finding weak points in things other than the video to exploit rather than the things she said
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39861210]uh huh, the point is you are finding weak points in things other than the video to exploit rather than the things she said[/QUOTE] Just like you're doing back to us?
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39861167]The thing is, he's a dude and it doesn't really matter how it makes him feel, that is the subtext of what I was saying and I don't have to educate you guys on this stuff, I can laugh at your expense if you're saying shitty things. If I took everything seriously all the time I'd probably just avoid it altogether. It's just a shitty tone argument, I'm not less right or more wrong if I'm hostile or laughing at you, I actually put effort into responding to you because you put effort into responding to me. Ur a cool dude. All mobrockers does is find something - anything - wrong with what her and attacks it, like this last gem: yeah it took her 9 months! better attack that now, not her actual video or anything [editline]9th March 2013[/editline] ok well I'm a man and I don't like it either, it perpetuates the idea that men can't show emotion and they always have to be strong, when this really isn't the case![/QUOTE] I take effort into responding to fucking everyone regardless of how they treat me because I refuse to stoop to their level. People like you always include something like "I shouldn't have to say this" or " I shouldn't have to educate you on this" and that literally proves what I just said; a passive aggressive attempt to show just how much you think of me really. And also "he's a dude so it doesn't matter" is a terribly stupid and onesided thing to say. Regarding his "attack" it was more directed as a slightly demeaning comment implying heavily that she took too long with the first vid (which she did you can't deny that) and that he sincerely hopes that he won't have to wait that long again. [b]i shouldn't have to say this.[/b]
[QUOTE=IM BATMAN;39861229]Just like you're doing back to us?[/QUOTE] Where?
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39861235]Where?[/QUOTE] Pretty much everything the guy below me has already said.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39861210]uh huh, the point is you are finding weak points in things other than the video to exploit rather than the things she said[/QUOTE] She has pointed out a few things. I've already said I don't think she should be pointing out these things in old games no one cares about anymore and that her earrings are distracting. There's nothing more to say about her video and my comment about the length it took her to make the first video had nothing to do with finding a flaw to exploit. I'm just pointing out that if she does take as long with the second video, this'll have died out and creating more videos would be pretty much pointless.
tropes vs men? Its hardwork having to be a hero all the time in games, we guys need a break, let women do all the work. sounds good to me!
[QUOTE=IM BATMAN;39861249]Pretty much everything the guy below me has already said.[/QUOTE] That's completely unrelated, I don't get what you mean. How am I attacking the poster for things he does rather than his opinion on the matter? If you mean mobrockers and my manpinion 'joke', his opinion is formulated based upon his viewpoint, it is hard to see how something can be harmful when you're the privileged one but it doesn't make it any less true, I get it, and I've been there.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39861319]That's completely unrelated, I don't get what you mean. How am I attacking the poster for things he does rather than his opinion on the matter? If you mean mobrockers and my manpinion 'joke', his opinion is formulated based upon his viewpoint, it is hard to see how something can be harmful when you're the privileged one but it doesn't make it any less true, I get it, and I've been there.[/QUOTE] "Privileged one" ok so I guess he's dumb and without emotion because he's a guy. I can't believe this to he honest. [editline]10th March 2013[/editline] Then again you said sometime you spend all day in front of the computer and I guess this is the long-term effect.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;39861341]"Privileged one" ok so I guess he's dumb and without emotion because he's a guy. I can't believe this to he honest.[/QUOTE] Having the ability to play as your gender and not have your gender portrayed negatively is a privilege. Do you like understand the basic concept of privilege? I know I didn't for a long time and I always thought it was a joke, but it's just saying "you can experience this positive thing". As someone who has never had to deal with it your opinion on the matter is skewed, that is all. jesus christ FP is breaking so hard
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39861361]Having the ability to play as your gender and not have your gender portrayed negatively is a privilege. Do you like understand the basic concept of privilege? I know I didn't for a long time and I always thought it was a joke, but it's just saying "you can experience this positive thing". As someone who has never had to deal with it your opinion on the matter is skewed, that is all. jesus christ FP is breaking so hard[/QUOTE] I know about privilege, I just hate the term. A whole lot. I wouldn't define "oh gee I can play as a boy in a game!" A privilege.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39860341]Yeah but I just don't see it as as much of an issue as you apparently do because I don't think it exists because women are seen as weaklings that need saving. I think it exists because most men are attracted to women, and would like to be a hero; saving a woman they're attracted to. Since gaming has up until recently been solely a (lonely nerd's playable dream) thing for men, there are a lot of games that cater to that demography. She's also showing a lot of old games, which definitely were only played by "nerds". I think this issue will and is being fixed by the growing number of female gamers, and doesn't need this kind of attention to happen.[/QUOTE] there would be no "growing number of female gamers" if no one stood up for them in the first place or made games that at least TRIED to be fair to their gender [editline]10th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=G-Strogg;39861377]I know about privilege, I just hate the term. A whole lot. I wouldn't define "oh gee I can play as a boy in a game!" A privilege.[/QUOTE] the point is, since you are a man, you basically have never experienced video game culture from the perspective of a female and you can't say "it's not that bad to not be able to play as a female" or "women should get over x" etc since you have never been in their situation
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;39861469][b]there would be no "growing number of female gamers" if no one stood up for them in the first place or made games that at least TRIED to be fair to their gender[/b] [editline]10th March 2013[/editline] the point is, since you are a man, you basically have never experienced video game culture from the perspective of a female and you can't say "it's not that bad to not be able to play as a female" or "women should get over x" etc since you have never been in their situation[/QUOTE] Bullshit.
[QUOTE=G-Strogg;39861377]I know about privilege, I just hate the term. A whole lot. I wouldn't define "oh gee I can play as a boy in a game!" A privilege.[/QUOTE] I was just about to ask: "But what if I actually DO want to play as a guy?"
[QUOTE=dass;39860366] All I'm saying is that you could grab something that has no intentions of being this[/QUOTE] intentional fallacy; author intent is irrelevant [QUOTE=dass;39860497]I miss when games used to be fun, and not filled with cultural problems.[/QUOTE] if games arent fun for you you should stop playing them instead of blaming others [editline]10th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lua Laputa;39861129]The same old people, notice how the people who get caught up sexism arguments never capitalize[/QUOTE] Omg That is So Not True
[QUOTE=dass;39860497]That's the thing. I don't want to play a videogame and constantly check if its this or that. I want to play the videogame and enjoy playing it, and not think about if the male/female character is cool because of its gender or not. Which is what I said a while ago. I miss when games used to be fun, and not filled with cultural problems.[/QUOTE] There is literally no form of media that does not address cultural problems. Even cluedo addresses the shocking treatment of veterans. Poor Colonel Mustard having to turn to a life of crime.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;39860954]yeah laughing at someone who's a dude and doesn't empathize with women because he can't see past his own privilege is so juvenile[/QUOTE] Honestly, I think people like you blow this shit out of proportion like hell. Not saying there isn't sexism, but you are implying he cares about "privilege" when in reality, he probably doesn't gives a fuck about privilege at all. People like you always point out the opposite side of the debate as "priviliged racist/sexist/whateverist people who rub their privilege-filled belly and give no fucks about anything else other than 'up with white males, down with women/blacks/whateveristhedebateabout' ", and to add to all that, you start acting like sarcasm-filled jokesters with annoying and unfunny words. It's like everyone who brings a different idea to the table is suddenly the devil himself.
youve said some despicable shit on this forum, where do you get the nerve to say that
[QUOTE=thisispain;39869548]intentional fallacy; author intent is irrelevant[/QUOTE] ...What? So, an author's ideas are of no concern now? Huh... [editline]10th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;39869781]we've twisted your words and assumed dumb shit on this forum to fit our needs and call you whatever we want to because you have conflicting ideas with ours just like we've done before and after to other people, where do you get the nerve to say that[/QUOTE] Fixed. Oh, and I get it at the same place where you get your extremism. Down at corridor 4.
[QUOTE=dass;39869805]...What? So, an author's ideas are of no concern now? Huh... [editline]10th March 2013[/editline] Fixed.[/QUOTE] You've said some pretty unambiguously dreadful shit.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39849615]Hitler is basically the most evil person ever and guess what? Always portrayed as a man.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law[/url] Well that didn't take long.
[QUOTE=dass;39869805]...What? So, an author's ideas are of no concern now? Huh...[/QUOTE] anything outside of the scope of the work is not part of the work and therefor irrelevant to the work itself, this is a cornerstone of 20th century literary analysis and criticism an author cant tell you how to feel or respond to a work
[QUOTE=Hellduck;39869836]You've said some pretty unambiguously dreadful shit.[/QUOTE] It totally wasn't a bunch of extremist kids on the internet assuming shit or anything. Nooo not at all. You know what? Theres a bunch of people here who should be ambassadors or have some high place in governing something, seeing as there is no grey areas whatsoever to their ideas, the world will be great! Some geniuses!
[QUOTE=dass;39869805] Fixed. Oh, and I get it at the same place where you get your extremism. Down at corridor 4.[/QUOTE] no-one twisted your words; you went into a thread about the gypsy holocaust and when someone said "No one deserves this kind of treatment" and you disagreed and gave a fascinatingly cringe-worthy speech about how someone stole your bike [quote] Nevermind a few countries who have had enough of them and already kicked them out, right? Mean countries kicked them out because they were such good people right?[/quote] go to hell
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