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Oh and I hope the government gives me a fun and cool job when we switch over to communism [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25418886]Yes because helping man kind is not a motivation ,first off most scientists would do what they were doing even if they did not get paid to do it an 2nd there are poeple that are already doing it today for no pay so you are wrong[/QUOTE] Source? Because that is a load of bullshit. [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] You are so naive its not even worth talking to you. Get your head out of your ass, the world isn't perfect. Your Communism support comes from your lack of common knowledge, and you have no idea how the world works. Capitalism will always be better than communism.
]your acting worse then a fundimentalist in a natural history museums. a can't give links because im on a phone but look up jaque fresco or any of the many other scientists Also the community planet foundation is another one I found
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25418783]its funny that you said you get communism when everyone knows you don't Also did know that most machines are made by machines and that today that machines have the ability to see what's wrong with them and did you also know that are used for getting materals add that to the fact that computers double there power every 13 months and it seems you are wrong. Inever said all jobs right now can be replaced but a lot can because most jobs are repetitive and a lot of jobs have to do with managing money which communism doesn't use, don't think I haven't thought this through myself.[/QUOTE] Machines have the ability to see what's wrong with them? When scientists in some research center discover new technology, my lawnmower doesn't just start fixing itself. Also no one is doubting that you have thought about Communism, it's just that you're not very smart at all and you are ignorant of how the world actually works. If a three year old thinks it is possible to fly to every house in the world and deliver presents, then they would conceivably believe that what Santa Claus does is possible.
[QUOTE=Ecarnacion;25419140]Machines have the ability to see what's wrong with them? When scientists in some research center discover new technology, my lawnmower doesn't just start fixing itself. Also no one is doubting that you have thought about Communism, it's just that you're not very smart at all and you are ignorant of how the world actually works. If a three year old thinks it is possible to fly to every house in the world and deliver presents, then they would conceivably believe that what Santa Claus does is possible.[/QUOTE] can you give a real reason why what I said is wrong. We see machines tacking more and more jobs every year and I don't think its that hard to think that they can do even more jobs as time moves on and the lawnmower think isn't relevant at all
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25419188]can you give a real reason why what I said is wrong. We see machines tacking more and more jobs every year and I don't think its that hard to think that they can do even more jobs as time moves on and the lawnmower think isn't relevant at all[/QUOTE] "MASHINES MAK UTER MAHSINSE AN DEY FIX DEMSELFS" Because technology exists doesn't make this so for every machine. This isn't some type of Skynet bullshit. When Intel released it's new line of processors, my Pentium 2 didn't suddenly start working at lightning speed. The majority of machines in the western world are still from the 80s and 90s. What they use in the third world can be as old as pre-cold war era.
[QUOTE=Ecarnacion;25419279]"MASHINES MAK UTER MAHSINSE AN DEY FIX DEMSELFS" Because technology exists doesn't make this so for every machine. This isn't some type of Skynet bullshit. When Intel released it's new line of processors, my Pentium 2 didn't suddenly start working at lightning speed. The majority of machines in the western world are still from the 80s and 90s. What they use in the third world can be as old as pre-cold war era.[/QUOTE]the things you said would not be a problem in the system I said because withou money you can upgrade and replace and doing those herp deep things remind when I was 6 and wanted to make fun of a kid by doing that
No one is nessearly bashing communism. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the existence of some 10 year old who has been leaching off a capitalist society for the past 10 years who believes communism would be better. [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] And creating machines that do repetitive tasks to create more advanced jobs is a very capitalistic view [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] Oh and tell all these companies that they will no longer be getting paid for what they do. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharmaceutical_companies[/url] I'm sure they will be happy. If you didn't get the picture. Communism =/= Advancement
Im sorry but this shows you have no idea what you are talking about because there would be no business, you seem to just not get what no money means not to mention the only one who is using the logic of a 10 year old is you, because I have to hold your hand and explain everythingto you because you just don't seem to get what no money would imply
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25419883]Im sorry but this shows you have no idea what you are talking about because there would be no business, you seem to just not get what no money means not to mention the only one who is using the logic of a 10 year old is you, because I have to hold your hand and explain everythingto you because you just don't seem to get what no money would imply[/QUOTE] There would be no business you are correct. Who will develop new medicines and vaccines?
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;25420088]There would be no business you are correct. Who will develop new medicines and vaccines?[/QUOTE] Scientists like they do now and I know what you will say" what will motivate them" well the love of science and helping ng the world like they do now. Many scientists make hypothesises and make studies without getting paid
[QUOTE=Warhol;25406700][url]http://www.educationbug.org/a/private-schools-pros-and-cons.html[/url] This is not from me.[/QUOTE] Religion? A pro? What. All that means is that it opens up favoritism towards the students of that religion... Which is usually the case in many religious private schools. They don't make it suck for the 'non-believers' but they sure as hell make it a lot easier for the ones who do believe.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;25418214]Horrible poster how? ahahaha! So you believe communism is building machines to do all the jobs we don't want right? And then we can all have communistic vacations and have fun when ever we want right? Those machines will handle themselves! I want a fun job![/QUOTE] He was reffering to wage labour. If your head wasn't so far up your ass, you would see that. let me guess, there's no such thing as wage labour? [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Uberman77883;25418705]Considering I live in Florida, I am considered a primary source when it comes to identifying the matter. You don't live here, you can't just ask for proof when it is blatantly obvious.[/QUOTE] You live in one section and go to one school, our of what... like 5000 in the US?
You can't just eliminate all wage labour
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;25418842]You know whats funny? Machines used today are developed and created by private organizations. It wouldn't work the same if the government mashes a group of people together with no motivation to create machines to do all tasks for lazy communistic workers. [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] Oh and when ever you switch to Communism there will be no need for more scientific breakthroughs, if there is no profit involved there's no motivation or point. Drug companies inventing new drugs aren't doing it because it makes them feel good, its because they get paid a ton. [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] Oh and in communistic countries it seems everyone is equal, except for the top government people who get lathered in what ever they can wish for.[/QUOTE] So you know more about communism then everyone including me, right? [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;25420557]You can't just eliminate all wage labour[/QUOTE] No one said to do that, but when the majority of your workers are forced into it, you have a problem. Humans are not machines to better society. They are individual people with hopes and aspirations. To say fuck them and force them to work in a factory all their life while being denied healthcare and benefits, then you can't say the system is good.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;25420557]You can't just eliminate all wage labour[/QUOTE] I love how you just post your assumptions all the time. Wage labor is already being taken away by machines and in time even more will [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;25420572]So you know more about communism then everyone including me, right? [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] No one said to do that, but when the majority of your workers are forced into it, you have a problem. Humans are not machines to better society. They are individual people with hopes and aspirations. To say fuck them and force them to work in a factory all their life while being denied healthcare and benefits, then you can't say the system is good.[/QUOTE] but that's how walmart works and if you take that away then the billionars will become simply millionaires and that's saddening :( [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] Mr.razzum I believe you lost this arguement about a page ago so if I were you I would leave and read up on the things we were talking about
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;25418705]Considering I live in Florida, I am considered a primary source when it comes to identifying the matter. You don't live here, you can't just ask for proof when it is blatantly obvious.[/QUOTE] holy shit this is a terrible excuse for an argument "I'm from florida and you're not so everything I say about florida is true and I don't even have to prove it"
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;25418705]I am considered a primary source when it comes to identifying the matter. [/QUOTE] No you aren't. That's not how it works. [QUOTE=Uberman77883;25418705]you can't just ask for proof when it is blatantly obvious.[/QUOTE] Yes you can.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25420572]So you know more about communism then everyone including me, right? [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] No one said to do that, but when the majority of your workers are forced into it, you have a problem. Humans are not machines to better society. They are individual people with hopes and aspirations. To say fuck them and force them to work in a factory all their life while being denied healthcare and benefits, then you can't say the system is good.[/QUOTE] Oh please. I'm not glorying the current society. My family is poor but I got government help and have been going to college for free on scholarships and grants. [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25420685]I love how you just post your assumptions all the time. Wage labor is already being taken away by machines and in time even more will [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] but that's how walmart works and if you take that away then the billionars will become simply millionaires and that's saddening :( [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] Mr.razzum I believe you lost this arguement about a page ago so if I were you I would leave and read up on the things we were talking about[/QUOTE] I didn't lose shit. You believe the government can spawn machines to do all high labour "boring jobs". You also believe we could survive with out currency. You can't get what you want in a communistic government. If I wanted to own horses and have a ranch, I would have to beg to government for it? If I wanted to own a car I would have to ask the government? All products will be produced by the government so no more invader zim. Invader zim was made by a private corporation to be broadcast on a privately owned television station. No more facepunch because Garry wouldn't be able to own a website because all websites are owned by the government. If you were lucky enough to own your own website the government would only give you so much bandwidth. Well it technically wouldn't be yours because the government owns all private property. Want to retire at 40 to go retire to a non communist country? Can't because you own no nothing, you have no money, and can't function outside of a communist run country. Want to get wealthy by re inventing the car so it can also fly? Well there's no profit or motivation to be had there. Want equal pay for unequal work? Vote communist Want to demote advancement by competition? Vote communist Want to remove all those greedy doctors from their expensive homes? Vote communist
These kind of proposals don't go anywhere. While it is troubling that a moron who is supported by a considerable amount of people could voice this (but god forbid if he does the same with the military!), the real damage to education is already being done in the United States, in Europe, and pretty much anywhere in the world. It's unlikely that the ideas voiced by the tea bagger in the OP will get traction. However that doesn't mean that there is already a lot of negative actions directed towards public education in the country. Obama's administration is essentially pushing the same concepts that their predecessors pushed- sidestep funding issues and place blame on teacher unions. Encourage "rewarding" hard working teachers, begin shutting down under-performing schools, utilising charters, etc. When budget measures take place, be it austerity or not, education and other public services such as libraries, museums, and parks tend to get more adversely affected. When the crisis passes, it's doubtful this will be reversed. That's the problem here- any gains that has been made in the past are being rolled back, it doesn't matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican doing so. Here in Texas, while our politicians here brag about how Texas is self-sufficient and doesn't need help from big gubmint, the education system is going more and more in the shitter. Not even considering the supply shortages and collapsing schools outside of high-end neighborhoods (in the absence of an income state tax, cities are even more reliant on property tax for education purposes), the system itself can't do crap. Yet it will inevitably get targeted by the lawmakers in Austin for even more destruction. With all this crap happening though, Texas politicians still see it relevant to inject their political agenda into the textbook revisions, and waste money on ordering new textbooks. (I assume you guys already saw that nonsense, so I won't go further into it). On a related note- California's higher education system was once a respectable system. Now its spending is outmatched by the amount California dumps into the prison system. But guess which one will California focus more on cutting in their budget plans? US clearly doesn't have a concern about "efficiency" or balancing matters in their military spending. It would be quite a site if schools could function normally without having to resort to fund-raising or sending their students to buy supplies for them.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;25421646]Oh please. I'm not glorying the current society. My family is poor but I got government help and have been going to college for free on scholarships and grants. [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] [/quote]fist off I can use an avatar all I want to because this is the internet and 2ndly if they were able to make eenough of something and the system worked then they would not need to ask the government and you would start to see government decrease as resources became less scarce but because this will lead to another hour long thing and because we proved you didn't know much about communism I would like to go do something else for a while
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25422153]fist off I can use an avatar all I want to because this is the internet and 2ndly if they were able to make eenough of something and the system worked then they would not need to ask the government and you would start to see government decrease as resources became less scarce but because this will lead to another hour long thing and because we proved you didn't know much about communism I would like to go do something else for a while[/QUOTE] Over the course of the next hour you will prove even further that you're dumb as shit.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;25421646] If I wanted to own horses and have a ranch, I would have to beg to government for it? If I wanted to own a car I would have to ask the government?[/QUOTE] Livestock permit and driver's license respectively :smug:
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;25422386]Over the course of the next hour you will prove even further that you're dumb as shit.[/QUOTE] Its funny how many other posters said that you have no idea what your talking about and even proved it, but im the dumb one. Half of your posts are childish name calling when you can't come up with a comeback
Sure ignore my points. Again, do you know more about communism then us?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25422695]Its funny how many other posters said that you have no idea what your talking about and even proved it, but im the dumb one. Half of your posts are childish name calling when you can't come up with a comeback[/QUOTE] Sure ignore my points [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;25422727]Sure ignore my points. Again, do you know more about communism then us?[/QUOTE] Sure ignore my points.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;25422948]Sure ignore my points [editline]15th October 2010[/editline] Sure ignore my points.[/QUOTE] we already disproven everything.you said
"Oh please. I'm not glorying the current society. My family is poor but I got government help and have been going to college for free on scholarships and grants." this is not a refutation.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggys;25423014]we already disproven everything.you said[/QUOTE] Want equal pay for unequal work? Vote communist Want to demote advancement by competition? Vote communist Want to remove all those greedy doctors from their expensive homes? Vote communist BETTER DEAD THAN RED.
You're obviously retarded, that or trolling take your pick
It's too late you have already been consumed by communism there is no hope.
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