Woman Had a Live Fragmentation Grenade Stuck Inside Her Face
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[QUOTE=DanTehMan;32531645]It's sad that she has that disfigurement now because it looks like she is/was really pretty[/QUOTE]
Yeah, now she looks really sad. Or maybe that's just the picture.
Still though, at least she has a head still, and an amazing story to tell at dinner parties.
she's still moderately attractive, and definitely more attractive than a lot of people where I live
I cannot fathom the pressure the surgical staff must haveve been under. To know that they could be pulverized by a mis-detonation, and still volunteer to operate on that woman, must've taken incredible courage. Bravo to them. Imagine how grateful that woman must be feeling.
[editline]28th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;32526033]But it just might keep you alive with moderate damage, presuming your face doesn't get full of shrapnel.[/QUOTE]
It's extremely unlikely. The shockwave from a 20mm grenade detonation at such a close distance would still probably pulverize your bones and scramble your brain. The force those things put out is incredible. Even at a distance of about 15m, behind cover, the blast from a standard fragmentation grenade is enough to make your teeth rattle in your skull. I was shocked at how forceful they were the first time I heard one detonate. I've never seen a video game or movie do one justice. I cannot imagine how ballsy you'd have to be attempt to extract a live grenade from a person's face.
Fun fact: the method taught by range cadre to survive a hand grenade explosion is to throw yourself on the ground and face away from the blast with your mouth open. You stay on the ground and face away in an attempt to minimize your exposure to shrapnel. The open mouth is to keep the blastwave from shattering all your teeth.
[editline]28th September 2011[/editline]
This kind of thing isn't unheard-of, though. I know of at least one other story of a soldier who survived a direct hit to the armpit from an RPG because it embedded itself in his torso without detonating. That was during the Battle of Mogadishu, I think.
I hope the people who did this have to face the music and own up to what they did.
[QUOTE=chugmuffin;32532099]I hope the people who did this have to face the music and own up to what they did.[/QUOTE]
Seriously. I know killing is the cartels' thing but why do THIS?! Why a grenade launcher? Why at a fish saleswoman?
[QUOTE=chugmuffin;32532099]I hope the people who did this have to face the music and own up to what they did.[/QUOTE]
I can't tell whether this was an attempted pun or not.
Who has a 40mm grenade launcher handy that randomly shoots it.
to add on BDA's post its the Shockwave that destroys your organs, not the explosion/heat that kills you.
being in an EOD suit next to an explosion just makes you canned tuna
I saw grenade and immediately thought she had one of these in her face:
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I do not know spanish
[QUOTE=Brod Ster;32533257]I do not know spanish[/QUOTE]
then like
read
Those doctors are so brave, completing such a high-risk surgery like that. What an amazing story, the woman was shot in the face with [b]a grenade[/b] and lived to tell about it. I just hope there aren't any attempts on her life in light of all this media attention.
[QUOTE=EpicRenegadeCop;32533446]I just hope there aren't any attempts on her life in light of all this media attention.[/QUOTE]
why would that happen
[QUOTE]was selling seafood under a hellish sun[/QUOTE]
That's so God damn disgusting.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;32524646]She already had a live grenade stuck in her face, I'm pretty sure she'll just shrug this off.[/QUOTE]
Not really, honestly it's not like she could do anything about it, she had no choice in the grenade being put in her, and she had no choice in it being taken out. She isn't "brave" because all she did was did what she was told, the brave ones are the doctors who risked their lives to save her life.
[quote]The 32-year-old Karla Flores, mother of three, was selling seafood under a hellish sun on a street of Culiacán[/quote]
That sounds pretty brave to me. That sun was HELLISH dude!
Oh, and to the people saying "EOD suits will save them", even if the suit would actually protect them, its impossible to do surgery in those.
[QUOTE=zzaacckk;32532508]Who has a 40mm grenade launcher handy that randomly shoots it.[/QUOTE]
You mean you don't carry one everywhere you go?
[editline]29th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;32533711]Oh, and to the people saying "EOD suits will save them", even if the suit would actually protect them, its impossible to do surgery in those.[/QUOTE]
This, some people can't even get up on their own if they fall while wearing one.
[QUOTE=Venezuelan;32533476]why would that happen[/QUOTE]
She survived a grenade to the face and now it could make the cartel look bad. There's a chance they might try to make an example out of her
Yo Cartels... what the fuck?
You're senselessly killing and hurting innocents!
Get a life and stop taking those of others!
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;32525790]anyone have an idea of the exact arm-distance? Article says she was able to turn around before being struck in the face with the grenade, so it had to of been a little ways away.[/QUOTE]Depends on the grenade. If I had a picture of the grenade after it was removed, I might be able to tell you. If it was the plain jane HEDP round then it arms after traveling about 60 feet. However, if it was something different, an older round, then the arming range could be completely different.
Very likely, if she could turn around, the grenade either ricocheted off of a surface, slowed down or was fired from very far away. The muzzle velocity of the M203 is 250fps, and at the tail end of the arming range (90ft) the grenade is traveling about 230fps. I'd estimate the shooter fired the grenade from beyond 120ft, it bounced and entered her face. A direct-fire M203 HEDP round can penetrate two inches of steel at 150m or less. The grenade's fuse may very well have been damaged or, possibly, the grenade wasn't a high explosive grenade at all. Simply put, the "experts" they brought with may have misidentified the grenade to be explosive. The training version SHOULD be blue, but this is Mexico we're talking about and they might as well be purple polka dots for all we know. It may very well have been a hand-loaded inert grenade, it's impossible to say for sure.
This is, of course, assuming it's fired from the M203. The grenade from the X-ray is impossible to identify.
what the hell mexico
these articles make it sound like a warzone
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;32547732]what the hell mexico
these articles make it sound like a warzone[/QUOTE]
It almost is.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;32525790]anyone have an idea of the exact arm-distance? Article says she was able to turn around before being struck in the face with the grenade, so it had to of been a little ways away.[/QUOTE]
up to about 30 meters iirc, it's a good long distance.
though I've seen them arm in around 15 meters.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;32548894]up to about 30 meters iirc, it's a good long distance.
though I've seen them arm in around 15 meters.[/QUOTE]I specified that in my post, either way arming distance doesn't mean anything. If she was shot directly in the head at that range her head would be gone. If the 203 can drill a grenade through armored plate, it'll go through a head lickity split. It would have been fired outside of the arming distance and enough for the round to begin dropping, and even then it'd have to be a ricochet.
Or, it was well inside that 14 meter minimum and gone through something to significantly slow it down. I didn't consider that possibility either.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;32531839]This kind of thing isn't unheard-of, though. I know of at least one other story of a soldier who survived a direct hit to the armpit from an RPG because it embedded itself in his torso without detonating. That was during the Battle of Mogadishu, I think.[/QUOTE]
I can think of at least one other story that happened a few years ago in Afghanistan.
[QUOTE=Kokopelli13;32531520]Add to OP?
[img]http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/09/xlarge_karla-flores-grenade.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Thanks. Sorry for being late.
[QUOTE=GunFox;32525352]40mm grenades have a minimum distance they must travel before they arm themselves. I believe if they impact a target before they arm, they are effectively disabled.
I wonder if that is what happened here.
But jesus, good job nurses and doctors. How rare is it that you have to not only save someone's life, but avoid being blown up by the operation too?[/QUOTE]
isn't that done by a timer?
