U.S. Scales-Back Military Exercise with Israel, Affecting Potential Iran Strike
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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;37506406]Mossad also spies on the CIA Operatives who are supposed to be helping them. That's shady as fuck.
Apparently the CIA actually considers them to be the biggest intelligence threat in the region.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't there are story a while back about Israel impersonating the CIA or something?
[QUOTE=Spooter;37501683]Oh, excuse us. Sorry if we're untrustworthy after all the back-rubs and hot chocolate you've been giving us.[/QUOTE]
To be fair the US isn´t really doing anything about Israel´s actions. The US pretty much supports Israeli actions like when Obama actually increased military aid.
[QUOTE=Earthen;37509827]To be fair the US isn´t really doing anything about Israel´s actions. The US pretty much supports Israeli actions like when Obama actually increased military aid.[/QUOTE]
His administration also attacked Iran with Stuxnet
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;37504770]Show me.
Give me some sources.
First give me a credible source that the seized missiles were "Super Patriots" or whatever the fuck you are trying to say, because "super patriots" don't exist. There literally is not Patriot missile system named "Super Patriots"[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot"]Here's[/URL] the list of current Patriots.
2. Give me a credible source that states the Patriots, AND NOT THE SHIP, were bound for Shanghai.
3. Give me a credible source that states the 69 missiles were matched to missing missiles from Israel's inventory.
4. Give me a credible source that says the Germans claimed responsibility in err, and the South Koreans claimed responsibility in err, too.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;37504550]These are all terrible.
The first one is a [URL="http://www.veteranstoday.com/category/911-and-terror-war/"]9/11 truther[/URL] site. That also posts Alex Jones-esque stories such as [URL="http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/08/06/us-army-psy-ops-behind-wisconsin-massacre/"]"US Army Psy-Ops Behind Wisconsin Massacre At Sikh Temple"[/URL]
The second one is run by a lunatic who claimed [URL="http://www.thetotalcollapse.com/the-us-civil-war-of-2016/"]here [/URL]that the US plans to start a civil war with the Tea Party in 2016
The third website's sole purpose is to cater to Ron Paul fans. It doesn't even have an article but instead links to a blog, that is hilarious, and I included it [URL="http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2011/12/israel-caught-selling-69-us-patriot.html"]here[/URL] for laughs.
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Israel didn't even have the 69 Patriots to send in the first place.
The entire thing is a lie.
Germany's been decommissioning the patriots, and SK wants them to defend itself from NK.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;37504278][URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16292244[/URL]
[URL]http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20111222-710097.html[/URL]
[URL]http://articles.cnn.com/2011-12-22/world/world_europe_finland-ship-missiles_1_patriot-missiles-shipment-surface-to-air-missile-system?_s=PM:EUROPE[/URL]
LITERALLY five mins of research. No Israel is not responsible for the rouge Patriots. Germany was selling the Patriots to South Korea as part of an under-the table arrangement, because the South Koreans did not have the proper transit papers to ship them through Finland. And Finland got them red handed.
They didn't get the transit papers because they didn't want to wait for all the diplomatic stuff, they wanted the weapons pronto:[URL="http://www.defencetalk.com/south-korea-wants-impounded-patriot-missiles-as-early-as-possible-39279/"] http://www.defencetalk.com/south-korea-wants-impounded-patriot-missiles-as-early-as-possible-39279/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4101961.stm[/URL]
and again in 1993: [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/13/world/israel-sells-arms-to-china-us-says.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;37506406]Mossad also spies on the CIA Operatives who are supposed to be helping them. That's shady as fuck.
Apparently the CIA actually considers them to be the biggest intelligence threat in the region.[/QUOTE]I have family member that work for the CIA, and they told me that if anyone ever tells you they're a CIA agent, they're probably Israeli.
[QUOTE=Chernarus;37503448]Just before Christmas, Israel sent 70 Patriots and launcher designs to China but got intercepted by Finnish authorities at a dock, don't quote me on this its what others have said quite alot.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I thought those were for Germans or some other european country buying that stuff. I should read news more often. But it's good to know that our border security is top-notch as usual.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;37510076][URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4101961.stm[/URL]
and again in 1993: [URL]http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/13/world/israel-sells-arms-to-china-us-says.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
Hi welcome to the thread,
I was discussing the alleged sale of Patriot missile tech by Israel to China in 2011, which proved to be a fabrication.
neither of your articles address this
goodbye and thanks for playing
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;37513512]Hi welcome to the thread,
I was discussing the alleged sale of Patriot missile tech by Israel to China in 2011, which proved to be a fabrication.
neither of your articles address this
goodbye and thanks for playing[/QUOTE]
Who cares, he provided a bad source so I cited two which referred to two instances in 2004 and 1993 where Israel sold patriot missile tech to China.
The original claim in this thread was whether Israel did it or not, not whether Israel did it in [B]2011[/B] or not.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;37513621]Who cares, he provided a bad source so I cited two which referred to two instances in 2004 and 1993 where Israel sold patriot missile tech to China.
The original claim in this thread was whether Israel did it or not, not whether Israel did it in [B]2011[/B] or not.[/QUOTE]
Dude, Chernarus alleged this:
[QUOTE]Just before Christmas, Israel sent 70 Patriots and launcher designs to China but got intercepted by Finnish authorities at a dock, don't quote me on this its what others have said quite alot. [/QUOTE]
I researched him and found out in this instance, the allegation is bullshit. End of story.
trotskygrad provided incredibly shitty sources that specifically supported Chernarus' allegation of the one incident, and I pointed out how shit they were.
And yeah it does matter that in was in 2011, because we are arguing about a specific event where Patriots were intercepted by Finnish authorities. Nowhere do I claim Israel has never sold Patriots to China, I'm saying that this specific allegation is totally false.
And furthermore, [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4101961.stm"]this[/URL] article does not specify what tech was sold to China, so I don't see how you magically know its Patriot missile tech unless you are a Chinese or Israeli general or something. And the NYTimes article you cite, while it does state "anti-air missiles" it doesn't specify what type or make, as Israel possesses many anti-air missiles including Hawk, Arrow, Arrow II, Arrow III, David's Sling, etc. So these sources actually do not substantiate your claim that "Israel sold patriot missile tech to China", but that is not the subject of my dispute with Chernarus, and I digress.
Read my previous posts, I'm not going to debate about "What was the subject of the debate?"
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