Will Smith says that we can now cleanse trump supporters. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50874952] Also how can any of you suggest segregating or disassociating people from society, no matter their beliefs, is okay? I mean what the fuck, guys.[/QUOTE] Aaaaand you support the candidate that wants to disbar people because of their beliefs???

[QUOTE=J!NX;50867940]Yes we absolutely should socially isolate racists and homophobes[/quote] [quote]I have no care for anyone who believes in treating other human beings as second class citizens [/quote] ummmm [quote] and please, no one turn this into big idiotic a segregation thing, its not the fucking same thing[/QUOTE] this is the desperation of someone who just realized a huge flaw in his reasoning and instead of admitting he's wrong he's scrambling to pre-emptively label it "out of bounds". ignore my hypocrisy, its ok if we do it because we're right.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50867940]Yes we absolutely should socially isolate racists and homophobes I have no care for anyone who believes in treating other human beings as second class citizens and anyone who thinks they deserve to be taken seriously and not laughed in the face at can go away [editline]11th August 2016[/editline] and please, no one turn this into big idiotic a segregation thing, its not the fucking same thing[/QUOTE] Lets isolate them in labour death camps, its for the good of the reigh... trust me. Edit: i just realised how fucking dumb it was t say that, because it happened before and turned pretty shitty for everyone real fast and its clear it will go the same way.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50875659]Aaaaand you support the candidate that wants to disbar people because of their beliefs???[/QUOTE] Which candidate would that be? Trump? I'm voting for him on the national level while voting for a mix-mash of Libertarian, Democrat-NPL, and Republican candidates in my state. When it comes down to the national elections, I pretty much default vote for Republican because I cannot stand how the current national level Democrat party is operating with being overly protective helicopter parents. [QUOTE=hoodoo456;50875260]Only a minority of trump supporters are racists, that's why neo-nazis and wannabe klansmen flock to him[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/26/klan-leader-claims-kkk-has-given-20k-clinton-campa/]And that's why KKK members support HRC.[/url] Once again, they are the minority.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;50875659]Aaaaand you support the candidate that wants to disbar people because of their beliefs???[/QUOTE] No? You don't have to be a Trump supporter to think that shoving people with terrible beliefs under the rug is a terrible solution on multiple levels. Shunning people doesn't stop them from voting. Shaming them in such broad strokes doesn't get them to change their beliefs, it just validates them and sympathizes others to them. Trump's support base exists because everybody else thought they could just ignore those people and they would go away.

[QUOTE=Tudd;50875639]You know the KKK has its memberships in only the thousands, and Neo-Nazis are super disorganized or just part of the KKK. That and they typically "flock" to whatever conservative candidate they could vote for. They are a super minority.[/QUOTE] generally the reason people flock to trump is because he uses racial rhetoric a lot of the time and does a lot of dogwhistling it's been pretty obvious since he started referring to racial groups as "they" and "the" in a way meant to distance them from "us" it's not an inherently racist platform but its heavily built around securing racist votes

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50872093]You are basically saying words carry the meaning of the people hearing them... thats the most retarded shit ever, and makes me seriously doubt the validity of the war crimes tribunal for the office of the prosecutor.[/QUOTE] yes this is how language works. society hears a word, assigns a definition, and thats what that word means. thats like saying someone said "gas the kikes" and then backpedaled by saying "hey now woah thats your fault for assuming that i meant kill the jews, you see my personal definition of gas means laughing gas and my personal definition of kike means dentistry patients. stop projecting your definitions on to what i said???!??!" cleanse means something, and theres very clear historical precedent for it meaning what brick argued it meant. [quote] The problem is that you use it as a lens to look into their minds while its more you comparing yourself to your target, and using YOUR biasses and flaws as a measuring stick... idc if you got paid to do it, thats pseudoscience to the 10th degree. You are the lens you look through at them, the flaws you see are your own reflection not matching up with theirs.[/quote] yeah brick youre clearly projecting.... when you hear a war criminal say he wants to cleanse a people, thats not him saying he wants to kill them... thats you projecting that YOU WANT TO KILL THEM YOURE THE NAZI ALL ALONG BRICK HE GOT YOU

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50867663][hd]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4LyRhLZEB8&feature=youtu.be[/hd][/QUOTE] I love the outlook he has on his acting career. Good on him.

How is "cleansing" Trump supporters of their beliefs any different from forcefully converting/cleansing Muslims? Same with segregating Trump supporters, segregation is terrible and breeds radicalism and I can't really think of a situation where isolation and ostracization would solve anything.

So basically we'll 'cleanse' white reactionaries but not muslim ones, and simultaneously pretend something like burka use is progressive because it represents diversity. The postmodern left is retarded

[QUOTE=Conscript;50878692]So basically we'll 'cleanse' white reactionaries but not muslim ones, and simultaneously pretend something like burka use is progressive because it represents diversity. The postmodern left is retarded[/QUOTE] Who are you talking to.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50878703]Who are you talking to.[/QUOTE] himself

You also have to look into the person's history of statements to understand whether he really means "cleansing" or if he just made a bad word choice. Will Smith, as far as I know, is not in the habit of advocating genocide. Everyone miswords shit every so often. It happens.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50874514] Do you not realize how horrid of a mindset this is? By doing this, you will effectively make their cause stronger.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Seerus;50876854] this is the desperation of someone who just realized a huge flaw in his reasoning and instead of admitting he's wrong he's scrambling to pre-emptively label it "out of bounds". ignore my hypocrisy, its ok if we do it because we're right.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=J!NX;50874357]tbh _Axel DOES make a fair point, it would radicalize them further, so I mean, he isn't wrong :v: he got me there![/QUOTE] Thankfully I am able to listen and change my opinions to something much more agreeable and not massively hypocritical Yeah I can see how that'd be only bad to do. In fact, the opposite, exposure to race and other opinions, would probably end up doing better.

People here are misunderstanding "social isolation" and confusing it with "legal isolation." Should you refuse service to someone wearing a Trump hat? No, of course not. If your friend starts supporting Trump and saying terrible shit, is it within your rights to stop associating with that person? Sure. Nobody is calling for putting Trump supporters in cleansing camps. They're saying that social isolation of vocal racists can slowly kill off that racism. Racists in the 60s didn't all stop being racists because they realized that all races inherently deserve the same legal right - a lot of them stopped because social pressure forced them to reconsider their views if they wanted to keep their social relationships alive. If I had a friend who was a Trump supporter and I stopped spending as much time with him because he was always a racist shit, he'd either self-isolate and go more extreme or he'd back down once he started losing relationships. This does work both ways - I know a lot of liberals in Texas surrounded by far-right-wing people who get isolated and become literal communists. But even more of them give in to that social pressure and accept the views that their social group imposes on them. The internet complicates the whole thing, but the idea that using social pressure to influence political opinion is at all similar to racial segregation is a joke.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;50878238]yes this is how language works. society hears a word, assigns a definition, and thats what that word means. thats like saying someone said "gas the kikes" and then backpedaled by saying "hey now woah thats your fault for assuming that i meant kill the jews, you see my personal definition of gas means laughing gas and my personal definition of kike means dentistry patients. stop projecting your definitions on to what i said???!??!" cleanse means something, and theres very clear historical precedent for it meaning what brick argued it meant. [/QUOTE] Thats not how language works. Gas the kikes does not objectively mean kill the jews... for some really isolated fictitious group of people it could very well be a greeting of respect. the meaning words have is determined by the person speaking them, anyone else is just interpreting and guessing. This is where misunderstandings come from. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Who's your dealer?" - Bradyns))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50880230]Thats not how language works. [B]Gas the kikes does not objectively mean kill the jews... for some really isolated fictitious group of people it could very well be a greeting of respect. [/B]the meaning words have is determined by the person speaking them, anyone else is just interpreting and guessing. [B]This is where misunderstandings come from.[/B][/QUOTE] is this real life did i just read that no way this is not happening

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50875050]And those only comprise of a small minority of [I]Trump supporters[/I], ya know the thing Will Smith thinks we should "cleanse"[/QUOTE] had you any concept of nuance - or grammar - then 10 seconds is all it would take for you to read that sentence again and realize he wasn't talking about the supporters

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;50880245]is this real life did i just read that no way this is not happening[/QUOTE] yufyufuyfyuftzxfghjjklknbhgcvhjklmknjkhg vcjbksdc tell me, what does the above 'mean'?

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50880254]had you any concept of nuance - or grammar - then 10 seconds is all it would take for you to read that sentence again and realize he wasn't talking about the supporters[/QUOTE] I wonder if it's a coincidence that the same type of people who support Trump also believe in absolutely illogical conspiracy theories and show a constant failure to grasp basic English.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50880230]Thats not how language works. Gas the kikes does not objectively mean kill the jews... for some really isolated fictitious group of people it could very well be a greeting of respect. the meaning words have is determined by the person speaking them, anyone else is just interpreting and guessing. This is where misunderstandings come from.[/QUOTE] Click Here To See this User Lose ALL His Credibility In Only 3.5 Seconds

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50880262]yufyufuyfyuftzxfghjjklknbhgcvhjklmknjkhg vcjbksdc tell me, what does the above 'mean'?[/QUOTE] This is Trumpian codespeak for "I'm a shitposter who thinks "gas the jews" is an open ended statement that can lead to misunderstandings, not a call to kill Jewish people". Based on the fact that you call reports "rapports" and use ellipses as a form of punctuation maybe you shouldn't criticize other folks grasp on the language.

guys it all makes sense now why did hitler commit suicide? because he felt guilty and sad that his people misunderstood his orders and killed jews when he really meant to say he respected them

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;50880314]guys it all makes sense now why did hitler commit suicide? because he felt guilty and sad that his people misunderstood his orders and killed jews when he really meant to say he respected them[/QUOTE] I thought it was because in realit he asked fir a glass of juice - not gas the Jews. AND LET ME IMMEDIATELY DISAVOW THAT JOKE BECAUSE HOLY SHIT HOW CAN YOU THINK THAT gas the jews does bnot mean gas the jews wtf blizzerd.

So all of you think language is objective? holy fuck the American education system really is crap.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50880362]So all of you think language is objective? holy fuck the American education system really is crap.[/QUOTE] No it's not objective but if I say "The moon is actually a square" but I really mean "The moon is a satelitte of earth" you'd be right to say that I was objectively wrong in my word choice, no? You're the one saying "an explicit declaration actually isn't an explicit declaration" Can I interpret your words any way I want? What if I said [QUOTE]So all of you think language is objective? holy fuck the American education system really is crap.[/QUOTE] Actually meant, via the lack of 'objective' terms here, [QUOTE]Gas the kikes[/QUOTE] you'd be rightfully upset, no?

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50880362]So all of you think language is objective? holy fuck the American education system really is crap.[/QUOTE] i guess its a cultural thing maybe in belgium, when a dude says "im going to sexually assault your mother", he actually means he wants to take her to disneyland

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50880362]So all of you think language is objective? holy fuck the American education system really is crap.[/QUOTE] You're the one saying it's objective - that what the person speaking means to say is what they're actually saying. We're arguing that it's subjective actually. That multiple interpretations of the same words can be held by the audience.

Language is objective. For example, "nigger" is objectively a racist insult in English. There's no denying it, pulling some "oh but my personal definition of it is different" bullshit is stupid. Same thing applies here.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50880262]yufyufuyfyuftzxfghjjklknbhgcvhjklmknjkhg vcjbksdc tell me, what does the above 'mean'?[/QUOTE] it's gibberish in the English language, which is the common medium of exchange that majority of the world uses