Emily Lance threatened after urinating on US flag on 4 July - Polidicks

[QUOTE=UnknownDude;52444027]The only oppurtunity you have to change your living situation is through money. And you're only safe if you fit the mold. I'd rather be an "edgelord" if it meant resisting nationalistic brainwashing. I would rather have a world without nations and borders. Feel proud over your pointless heritage if you want. I have my own, subjectively better ways of deriving meaning from life. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52445230]not for you to say, boyo i'm proud of my achievements, my skills, things i had a part in. being proud of the place you *happened* to be born in is like being proud because you have a great chin[/QUOTE] tbh being proud of things you have absolutely no control over is kind of insane in general Pride is for those that actually achieved something. being an American isn't an 'achievement', anyone who thinks that is though is kind of being a weirdo. [editline]7th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=FinalHunter;52443960]I wouldn't expect you to be patriotic considering your country has next to no global influence.[/QUOTE] With the direction the US is going it'll have negative global influence right quick my dude so I wouldn't exactly brag More and more countries don't want to work with the US. And the US is less and less willing to cooperate. Not something to be happy about.

[QUOTE=J!NX;52445275]tbh being proud of things you have absolutely no control over is kind of insane in general Pride is for those that actually achieved something. being an American isn't an 'achievement', anyone who thinks that is though is kind of being a weirdo. [editline]7th July 2017[/editline] With the direction the US is going it'll have negative global influence right quick my dude so I wouldn't exactly brag More and more countries don't want to work with the US. And the US is less and less willing to cooperate. Not something to be happy about.[/QUOTE] He non Ironically basically said (Yeah well your country sucks) to FUCKING NORWAY of all places

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52443960]I wouldn't expect you to be patriotic considering your country has next to no global influence.[/QUOTE] Is the US the only country you know about?

[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;52445150]Sure this makes sense and I agree with you on some aspects. You candislike nationalism and patriotism and the very idea of nations and borders, but this: just sounds pretentious and edgy and is not at all the right way to argue your side, atleast imo.[/QUOTE] It was a direct response to this: [QUOTE=jiggu;52443948] Yes you should be proud of your country instead of being an edgelord.[/QUOTE] With him basically imposing his nationalist worldview upon me ("be proud of your country or else you're an edgelord") I chose to do the exact opposite, reaffirming my anti-nationalist worldview without imposing it on anyone. The message is basically "I don't care if you want to be a patriot, but I'd rather not be one".

[QUOTE=Sombrero;52444429]Amazing the amount of people who support this. She shouldn't have pissed on the flag, there shouldn't be death threats being flung, but this "it's just a dumb fabric XD" argument is childish. How dare anyone be patriotic or respectful of the country they live in.[/QUOTE] A moment of silence for Sombero's feels. :(

It's pretty funny how often the very same people who complain about how ~easy it is to offend people these days~ are also the same ones shitting the bed over petty pranks whenever a flag is involved. I'm not one for blind nationalism, but there are flags, monuments, and symbols that represent causes I care about- and I certainly haven't ever thrown a tantrum when someone decided to be disrespectful towards them. Sure, I roll my eyes and think they are being morons, but becoming actually enraged by it? It's actually kind of pathetic. [editline]8th July 2017[/editline] Brb I'm going to go check if that American flag bog roll is still available on amazon.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52447199]Brb I'm going to go check if that American flag bog roll is still available on amazon.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.amazon.com/America-Flag-Toilet-Paper-Pattern/product-reviews/B00Q4IIF22/ref=cm_cr_getr_d_show_all?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews&sortBy=recent&pageNumber=1[/url] Check out those 1 star reviews :why:

[QUOTE=UnknownDude;52443934]What is there to be proud of? You were born where you were completely by random chance, and unless you're loaded you're probably stuck there too. [/QUOTE] Why be proud of anything you don't directly control then? By your logic why should we be proud of the accomplishments of our family and friends? If you're only proud of events you participated in then you're a narcissist [editline]9th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;52445275]tbh being proud of things you have absolutely no control over is kind of insane in general .[/QUOTE] So its insane to be proud of your children for doing well in school? Or what about being proud of a family members nilitary service? The inability to feel pride over anything but ones own actions is pretty narcissistic

[QUOTE=Kyle902;52452217]Why be proud of anything you don't directly control then? By your logic why should we be proud of the accomplishments of our family and friends? If you're only proud of events you participated in then you're a narcissist [editline]9th July 2017[/editline] So its insane to be proud of your children for doing well in school? Or what about being proud of a family members nilitary service? The inability to feel pride over anything but ones own actions is pretty narcissistic[/QUOTE] To be honest I never understood the pride about being in the military, but this isn't the right topic to discuss it.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52452238]Can you tell us why you should feel proud that you were arbitrarily born on a specific soil[/QUOTE] Why would your lack of choice in where you were born have any bearing on your ability to be proud of your country? Your argument also fails to take into account proud expats.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52442722]People who worship the flag to me seem very unamerican. The point you're supposed to be proud of is the ideals of the country and how we got to where we are now. Worshiping a symbol pretty much is the opposite, since it's damn near worshiping the US Govt itself.[/QUOTE] Blind patriotism is so stupid, too. You were born here. Every first world country seems to do almost everything better than we do it other than military related shit. We have the capability, the resources, the money, to solve a lot of issues that other first world countries have solved, but we don't because it's not profitable to do it. What a great country. Why would you be proud to be an American? I don't get it, myself. Be proud to serve, be proud to get involved with your local community, but being proud just because you were born here, pfft And on top of that, if you ARE proud, then someone pissing or burning the flag wouldn't make you angry. It's one of THE main things the country allows you the freedom to do. It's not a special privilege unique to our country, though, at all

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;52441595]I know patriotism is a concept that escapes most the people on Facepunch but the flag happens to represent a lot.[/QUOTE] The flag is a living symbol, and thus represents different things to different people. Consider two stances: 1) A veteran holds immense pride in the flag, because he feels that it represents the ideals that he risked his life to protect. The veteran believes that this flag is representative of the righteous virtues that our country was founded on: freedom, equality, opportunity, religion, family, etc. He fought to preserve those values, and the symbol that represents them. Thus, the flag is an almost holy symbol to him, and acts to destroy it are seen as sacrilegious: an attack on everything he holds dear. 2) A protester burns the flag, because he feels that it has been twisted into a false symbol. He holds the same ideals and virtues that the veteran does, and is every bit as passionate about them. This protester may even be a veteran himself, having fought for the same things. However, he has come to feel that our country's government has abandoned and/or perverted those virtues. Thus, the flag is now a symbol of FALSE virtue, and no longer representative of the dream that our country was founded on. No longer is the flag a symbol of the virtues he cherishes, but of a nation that has forgotten them. This protester, passionate and patriotic as he is, decides that he would rather see the flag [B]destroyed[/B] than [B]perverted[/B]. Thus, he burns it to preserve its symbolic integrity. Is the protester unpatriotic? Is he disrespecting the sacrifice that the veteran made? I'd say no, not at all. He's burning the flag in protest, because (by his standards) the country has lost its way, straying from the noble ideals that it is suppose to uphold. Whether you agree with him or not, that is an inherently patriotic thing to do. The protester cares. He is passionate and involved. I mean, look, I'm not saying that every flag burner out there has righteous cause and a deep sense of patriotism. Some people just act like punks, and destroy for the sake of destruction. I'm just trying to make you see that destroying the flag is not an inherently unpatriotic thing to do. Destroying the flag can be a very powerful symbolic gesture, especially through burning. The proper way to dispose of a damaged flag is, after all, to ceremoniously incinerate it. [editline]/[/editline] Just for the record, I don't know anything at all about Emily Lance and am not defending her actions in any way. Even giving her the benefit of the doubt and allowing this as some kind symbolic act of patriotism, [I]pissing[/I] on the flag is pretty fuckin' crude, and doesn't seem to have a hell of a lot of symbolic value.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;52452335]Why would your lack of choice in where you were born have any bearing on your ability to be proud of your country? Your argument also fails to take into account proud expats.[/QUOTE] Because you were born were you where born by random chance. You haven't really told us why we should be proud of being born in 1 out og 196 countries

[QUOTE=Kyle902;52452217]So its insane to be proud of [B]your children for doing well in school[/B]? Or what about being proud of a family members nilitary service? The inability to feel pride over anything but ones own actions is pretty narcissistic[/QUOTE] [QUote]things you have absolutely no control over [/quote] So you're telling me people have no control over how their children are raised? Fucking what? For god's sake, think before you post. You couldn't have come up with a worse example if you tried

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;52453145]So you're telling me people have no control over how their children are raised? Fucking what? For god's sake, think before you post. You couldn't have come up with a worse example if you tried[/QUOTE] But that would be you being proud of how you raised your child, not the fact that your child is doing well in school.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;52453711]But that would be you being proud of how you raised your child, not the fact that your child is doing well in school.[/QUOTE] Your child's performance is pretty dang intertwined with how you raise them, eh? Are you seriously going to try and rationalize this further? You'd have to be insufferably pedantic to stop yourself being proud based on semantics like this

Conservatives: "If you want to protest, protest peacefully!!!" *doesn't stand for national anthem and/or desecrates flag, ultimately harming no one* Conservatives: "HAJDHHJDJSJJSSIISEKFJRODLEJRHJR" [editline]11th July 2017[/editline] I'll stand by the notion that the fact that people have died for this country is in no way a valid excuse for demanding blind nationalism and patriotism

[QUOTE=Kyle902;52452217] So its insane to be proud of your children for doing well in school? Or what about being proud of a family members nilitary service? The inability to feel pride over anything but ones own actions is pretty narcissistic[/QUOTE] You seem to think there's no difference in being proud in some one else vs being proud in you being black/jewish/russian/hawaiian Being proud of someone's actions is completely different from being proud of something that had no determining factors or hard work and dedication involved Being born in the us isn't a measurable accomplishment. Winning top student is No one decided to come out of a vagina located in NZ.

I've seen some US flag Doormats around a while ago