Burger King employee has it his way, fatally punches a customer - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;26610094]I don't think he should have hit back. The old guy might have been a dick and swung first but he didn't have to hit back, you're supposed to strive to be better not stoop to stupidity.[/QUOTE] People are supposed to do a lot of things different from what they actually do, but you are just armchair quarterbacking. Decisions are made on the fly at the instant they are needed. Don't have time to think about how they SHOULD be acting or what they SHOULD be doing, they need to act now before they get hurt.

I'm so pissed off about the number of kids who think "He swung first its self defense" No that's not called self defense that's called a fight. The only case in which it is self defense is if you have no where to go and no other option then to match force with the assaulter. Such as you are in a corner and you can't run or you are in a room and the assaulter is in the doorway.

Was the employee wearing a Ballistic Fist?

[QUOTE=G12-A5;26610306]I'm so pissed off about the number of kids who think "He swung first its self defense" No that's not called self defense that's called a fight. The only case in which it is self defense is if you have no where to go and no other option then to match force with the assaulter. Such as you are in a corner and you can't run or you are in a room and the assaulter is in the doorway.[/QUOTE] Have you ever worked behind a counter at a fast food store? There IS nowhere to go when you are at the register. You have heavy equipment 2 feet behind you, to one side the drive thru, and the other side is a door going out to the lobby where the fighter is waiting. You ARE trapped, and it is self defense. Also, even if he had a place to run, it is still self defense to do it right there. You have no moral duty to run away from your attacker. You got beat up by bullies a lot, didn't you?

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;26610086]The old man attacked first, this is textbook man 2.[/QUOTE] Manslaughter is where you cause someone's death through reckless or negligible behaviour (such as attacking someone, or not following safety guidelines for dangerous equipment) and did not intend to kill them, or if you didn't care whether or not they lived. The use of reasonable force in self-defence is neither reckless nor negligible, so it's not manslaughter. [QUOTE=Ridge] You have no moral duty to run away from your attacker. You got beat up by bullies a lot, didn't you?[/quote] Actually, you are legally obliged to retreat if possible, except in your own home.

[QUOTE=Ridge;26610415]Have you ever worked behind a counter at a fast food store? There IS nowhere to go when you are at the register. You have heavy equipment 2 feet behind you, to one side the drive thru, and the other side is a door going out to the lobby where the fighter is waiting. You ARE trapped, and it is self defense. Also, even if he had a place to run, it is still self defense to do it right there. You have no moral duty to run away from your attacker. You got beat up by bullies a lot, didn't you?[/QUOTE] No I've actually been in a fight where I thought that, hey if he swings first its fine to beat the shit out of him. Well turns out that's not the way it works. As long as you have a viable option of escape or backing away from the situation its not self defense. I had to sit and listen to all the charges that could have been filed against me had the other guy pressed charges, no where in that was the option for me to plea self defense. And as a matter of fact Yes I have worked at a fast food restaurant before it sucked. But yet there was a place to go its not like you are stuck in place behind the cash register. [IMG]http://www.info4security.com/Pictures/web/i/d/h/BurgerKing.jpg[/IMG] I see plenty of places where someone could avoid the fight at, step back behind the fry station, or step to the side. I can't exactly imagine a 67 yr old man vaulting over the counter to continue the fight.

[QUOTE=lead_farmer;26603699]Must have been a Whopper of a punch.[/QUOTE] Why are the first two pages of News Posts just a bunch of crappy punch lines?

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;26603541]Self-defense or not he's still definitely fired[/QUOTE] I think most places fire you if you get caught up in the law automatically.

only in florida

[QUOTE=Pasalaqcua;26603904]A 67 year old man, what damage could he really do?[/QUOTE] my grandfather is 80 years old and up until about 4 years ago he was still throwing bottles at his kids heads and getting in 'heated discussions'. A 67 year old can do plenty

I wish my last name was Cannon.

[QUOTE=G12-A5;26610518]No I've actually been in a fight where I thought that, hey if he swings first its fine to beat the shit out of him. Well turns out that's not the way it works. As long as you have a viable option of escape or backing away from the situation its not self defense. I had to sit and listen to all the charges that could have been filed against me had the other guy pressed charges, no where in that was the option for me to plea self defense. And as a matter of fact Yes I have worked at a fast food restaurant before it sucked. But yet there was a place to go its not like you are stuck in place behind the cash register. [img_thumb]http://www.info4security.com/Pictures/web/i/d/h/BurgerKing.jpg[/img_thumb] I see plenty of places where someone could avoid the fight at, step back behind the fry station, or step to the side. I can't exactly imagine a 67 yr old man vaulting over the counter to continue the fight.[/QUOTE] I work in a Supermarket, and someone I work with had someone swing at them, so they hit him back and floored him (the guy who attacked him was drunk). Whilst he could have retreated, he successfully argued that he wasn't only defending himself, but was also preventing other members of staff and customers being assualted by the guy.

[QUOTE=Camundongo;26610669]I work in a Supermarket, and someone I work with had someone swing at them, so they hit him back and floored him (the guy who attacked him was drunk). Whilst he could have retreated, he successfully argued that he wasn't only defending himself, but was also preventing other members of staff and customers being assualted by the guy.[/QUOTE] I work at a local supermarket, I've had guys chase customers out of the shop, down the street, trying to beat him up. And he hasn't been fired.

[QUOTE=G12-A5;26610518]No I've actually been in a fight where I thought that, hey if he swings first its fine to beat the shit out of him. Well turns out that's not the way it works. As long as you have a viable option of escape or backing away from the situation its not self defense. I had to sit and listen to all the charges that could have been filed against me had the other guy pressed charges, no where in that was the option for me to plea self defense. And as a matter of fact Yes I have worked at a fast food restaurant before it sucked. But yet there was a place to go its not like you are stuck in place behind the cash register. [img_thumb]http://www.info4security.com/Pictures/web/i/d/h/BurgerKing.jpg[/img_thumb] I see plenty of places where someone could avoid the fight at, step back behind the fry station, or step to the side. I can't exactly imagine a 67 yr old man vaulting over the counter to continue the fight.[/QUOTE] Still trapped in a small area. That could be argued as being cornered.

[QUOTE=Omali;26603608]The old man choked on his dentures, the punch clearly was not intended as fatal.[/QUOTE] I thought this was a joke, and then I read the full article.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;26603776]He's 67 years old. Unless he was a Ranger during WWII or Vietnam, his punches aren't going to be doing any damage.[/QUOTE] 67 year olds aren't babies

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;26610709]I work at a local supermarket, I've had guys chase customers out of the shop, down the street, trying to beat him up. And he hasn't been fired.[/QUOTE] You are an American

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;26611625]67 year olds aren't babies[/QUOTE] They shit their pants and complain a lot, seems like they are after all

I already knew it was the most unhealthy fast food place, but this...

[QUOTE=MovingSalad;26611704]You are an American[/QUOTE] I am not

[QUOTE=Tetracycline;26611625]67 year olds aren't babies[/QUOTE] In fact, they can sometimes be underhanded and downright cruel in a fight...

thats hella bullshit wtf man...homicide really?

Daaamn, that man got clocked, like you!

My reaction to this thread. See's title - "The fuck?" See's Detroit - "Oohhhhh"

Burger ninja

[QUOTE=johnT447;26603523]self defence still wouldn't hit an old man[/QUOTE] Cool age discrimination bro.

Employer of the month material here.

One day my dad (69) At the time beat the shit out of some gang bangers.

[QUOTE=Barnhouse;26603689]Exactly... what sort of old man throws a punch at a burger king employee anyway?[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.filmofilia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/gran-torino-trailer.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=G12-A5;26610306]I'm so pissed off about the number of kids who think "He swung first its self defense" No that's not called self defense that's called a fight. The only case in which it is self defense is if you have no where to go and no other option then to match force with the assaulter. Such as you are in a corner and you can't run or you are in a room and the assaulter is in the doorway.[/QUOTE] Wrong, faggot. If you so much as shove someone else and they retaliate, their retaliation is self defence. Sources : My dad's a fucking cop.